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Reply #60 posted 10/26/16 9:17am

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Thanks to everyone that has contributed to this lovely thread!
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Reply #61 posted 10/26/16 12:19pm

oliviacamron

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TrivialPursuit said:



LadyLayla said:




Triv, you sound like a verteran of "Bible Drill". King James Version of course! Either that, or you google a lot! For those that don't know, it is an activity to see how quickly you can look up a named verse and read it out to the instructor (usually a Sunday School teacher).




hahah It's a bit of both. However, there have always been moments in Prince songs that stood out to me as scripture. And while I didn't always know the exact passage, I knew it was there. I actually referenced BlueLetterBible.com, and mostly typed the KJV, although I tend to be a fan of the New Living Translation.

King James was a homo, with lots of boyfriends; and a beard wife just to produce an heir. No problem with me on that. He also introduced paganism as part of Christian theology, which I sorta have an issue with. And he never 'authorized' a translation. Anything done under any particular monarchy has that monarch's name on it. It's His Majesty's this or Her Majesty's that. I think people get confused with James the apostle and James the King, the latter of which was a big mo', who had a faith, but wasn't all thumpy about it.

All of that doesn't discredit the translation. But it's not the go-to for me.


I read the New American Standard version. It's supposedly translated from original and not KJV but it's almost the same, easy to understand. Both are awesome and you can be reborn through them . Read Gospel of John biggrin
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
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Reply #62 posted 10/26/16 9:06pm

Vee0319

Lovejunky said:



Vee0319 said:


I feel very strongly that Prince was called by God to do his work.

PRINCE BELIEVED It Himself:



"Every day I feel is a blessing from God. And I consider it a new beginning. Yeah, everything is beautiful."



"The Bible is a study guide for social interaction."



"God told us he made us in his image to create. Everything I do is inspired by God."



"And God is here, he's everywhere, he ain't dead, contrary to popular opinion. And he will come again and it will be the most beautiful, powerful, electric moment, the sky's gonna go all purple and red."



"Prophecy is what we all have to go by now. "






Thank you Lovejunky, I appreciate the reply.
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Reply #63 posted 10/27/16 4:44am

Lovejunky

Just putting this here...It kind of fits the topic

http://prince.org/msg/7/432995

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Reply #64 posted 10/27/16 7:55am

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Thieves In The Temple.

Luke 19:46
He declared to them, "It is written: 'My house will be a house of prayer.' But you have made it 'a den of robbers.'"

In the extended version :

I'm talking 'bout the kind of love that can move a mountain
the kind of love that could part the sea
the kind of love that would last forever
no matter what you say, you should be with me


Matthew 17:20

"Because you have so little faith." He answered. "For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

The parting of the sea is of course related to Moses.



The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #65 posted 10/27/16 8:01am

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TrivialPursuit said:

"Muse 2 The Pharoah" references Proverbs 31:10. "Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies."


Holy fuck. Sexism alert — DEFCON 1. biggrin

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #66 posted 11/21/16 5:11am

Lovejunky

bonatoc said:

TrivialPursuit said:

"Muse 2 The Pharoah" references Proverbs 31:10. "Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies."


Holy fuck. Sexism alert — DEFCON 1. biggrin

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Reply #67 posted 11/21/16 5:13am

Lovejunky

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/04/the_gospel_according_to_prince.html

By Minister Dexter Strong, is a minister from Huntsville, Alabama, now living in Atlanta, Georgia. He can be reached at dextercstrong@gmail.com.

There is something almost sacramental about the music of Prince. Imbued into each courageous dance step, virtuoso guitar solo, gender-bending performance, and probing lyric was a dare which challenged every listener to celebrate their own body and live creatively. The freedom with which he lived pervaded every note. And as we listened, as his music careened towards that part of the self we rarely access, we, if only for a moment, felt free too. That's why we loved him. We have not simply lost a musician. We have lost a prophet.

Rarely do we reflect on a "secular" artist like Prince in theological terms. The rigid dogmatism constraining our own faith journeys preclude us from recognizing the divine immanent in his music. Some Christians may find his sexaul content, and gender nonconformity vulgar. Others will dismiss his spiritual contributions because of his unorthodox religious upbringing and beliefs. Each camp, to paraphrase Jesus, strains at gnats and swallows camels. Prince's music must be understood on it's own terms.

Each Prince hymn strikes a numinous chord transcending denomination and sect. Albums like "Lovesexy" forced our binary oriented society to see sexuality and the sacred, eroticism and eternity, as not opposing, but necessarily intertwined. Prince's music is not dissimilar in this respect to the biblical poetry of Song of Solomon. Each frustrates our contemporary urge to dissociate our experiences as being humans with bodies, and our experiences as being humans with souls. Prince had both. We have both. We need to affirm both.

As Yale Professor of Ethics Emerita, Margaret Farley puts it, we are both souls living inside of bodies, and bodies which happen to have souls. Understanding and affirming each of these dimension of the self is essential towards living rich, full lives. No one made music with more "embodied soul" than Prince. Each song and show seeped with sensuality. Prince demanded that we touch our world, ruminate in the feelings, and make meaning out of them. Prince's music is a desperate outcry for touch, and a despairing reminder of the hopelessness occurring when we're alienated from human contact. These are unmistakably Christian observations.

Sin is the state of being alienated from, or being out of touch with, God. The great ethical demand of Christianity is to be compassionate, in touch, with our neighbor. Even God enfleshes God's self in order to touch humanity toward salvation. Prince's sultry call for more touch reminds us that there is divine meaning to be derived from the act of touching, and being touched.

The crooning and moaning characteristic of Prince's music entrances our bodies, bodies restless from lack of touch, until we must touch, and allow ourselves to be touched by whomever is near. The funky ballads of Prince can arouse that urge in even the most disciplined ascetic. Prince helps us to see our body and its capacity for feeling, as neither problematic nor inconsequential, but as a divine endowment.

More fascinating still is the peculiar form and function of Prince's body. Prince's body, in terms of physique, was utterly unremarkable. He had a slight frame, and stood only about 5'2". But, he owned his body in ways awe inspiring. He walked, spoke and experimented as one totally at ease with himself.

The palpable aura surrounding him made him more alluring to women than men who bodies exemplified the traits most commonly associated with sex appeal.

By guiltlessly blurring gender lines with his dress and gestures, he became a paragon of masculinity. Shamelessly he used his body as a vehicle for his art. He clothed himself in sexual innuendo. He pushed his eccentricities to the public fore, and his almost percussive authenticity became the marching cadence for a musical revolution.

Prince's flagrant disregard for norms of beauty and masculinity is a clear reminder of how we should view ourselves. The creative soul animating the body of Prince could not be confined to any singular form of expression, and it did not view the our narrowly constructed ideals of beauty as authoritative. We should be similarly courageous.

We are all unique expression of universe, each of us gifted not only with God's image, but also with God's creative energy. Social obsessions with appropriate body types and roles should not deter us from maximizing our potential for creative self-determination and expression. Living authentically is its own reward, and has it's own allure. As Prince reminds us in his hit "Kiss", we don't have to be beautiful, at least not in the conventional sense, to be immensely attractive and valuable.

Prince wasn't afraid to take stands against social injustices, a rare quality in musicians of his popularity. In a song entitled "Baltimore" Prince asks "does anybody hear us pray/for Michael Brown and Freddie Gray?" Prince saw himself as responsible for helping to dismantle systems of oppression, even if that meant upsetting fans who would rather him remain neutral and non-political. But as he rightly points outs "If there is no justice there can be no peace."

From responding to Katrina tragedy, to civil rights campaign collaborations with Cornel West, Prince has a well documented history of political involvement on the behalf of the poor and oppressed. Prince communicates musically the importance of respecting all embodied souls. And he wasn't shy about reminding us that we've done a poor job valuing the black and brown ones.

It is here where Christ calls us to follow in his own footpaths. We must preach the acceptable year of God's favor, lifting up those who've yet to receive favor from the those which govern daily affairs. Not to remember Prince's powerful call for justice, through music and action, is to misremember him. Will we be as moved by Prince's call for an end to systematic racism and injustice, as we are by his call to party like it's 1999?

Prince's music, and performances helped generations to embrace the contradictions which constitute them. His musical activism is as cultural impactful as Bob Dylan. Prince just draped his brand commentary in purple velvet.

For one who lived life so colorfully it seems wrong that his life have such a sudden, drab conclusion. But we have his music! Those genre-less, euphoric sounds of funk, and rock, and pop, and R&B! These sounds drown out the banal blend of social norms and respectability. In four minute intervals Prince draws from our psyche the person that we try desperately to repress; the person the world attempts to either exploit, or regiment.

Prince has had a uniquely liberating effect on American culture. Prince is a sage gone much too soon. But, where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. God must be present somewhere inside of Prince's music.

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Reply #68 posted 12/04/16 7:54pm

206Michelle

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206Michelle said:

The song "The Love We Make" (one of my top 10 Prince songs of all time) has numerous Biblical references or references to Christian beliefs. I can't think of specific Biblical references, but the lyrics are below and I have bolded the Biblical/Christian references that I see. If I am missing any, please let me know!

"The Love We Make"

Desperate is the day that is 2morrow
4 those who do not know the time has come
2 whip the dogs that beg, steal or borrow
From the table God set 4 His Son

Wicked is the witch that stands 4 nothing
All the while watching 2 see U fall
Deeper than the ditch that bred your suffering
The one being dug right now by them all

Happy is the way 2 meet your burdens
No matter how heavy or dark the day
Pity on those with no hope 4 2morrow
It's never as bad as it seems until we say

Precious is the baby with a mother
That tells him that his Saviour is coming soon
All that believe will cleanse and purify themselves
Put down the needle, put down the spoon [x2]

Sacred is the prayer that asks 4 nothing, oh
While seeking 2 give thanks 4 every breath we take, oh
Blessed are we inside this prayer
4 in the new world, we will be there

The only love there is, is the love we make [x2]
(The only love there is, is the love we make)
Only love there is, only love there is
The only love there is, is the love we make (Yeah)
The only love there is, is the love we make

This is one of my favorite songs, too. I can add some verses for you.

There are multiple verses about the Savior coming soon, but this one from Revelation 22: 12 sort of sums things up (Jesus speaking):
“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

Cleansing and purification are constant themes in the Bible. They are all over the place, mostly in the Old Testament.

The bit about the table is more of an allusion than a direct quote, but there are references in the Old and New Testaments of a feast after death or evil has been vanquished from the Earth. The Old Testament one that I can think of is from prophecy in Isaiah 25:6-9:



The New Testament reference is commonly referred to as "the marriage supper of the Lamb" (the Lamb is a reference to Jesus) and symbolizes the final, permanent union of Christ with the church. In Revelation 19:9, John the apostle/St. John writes:
Then the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”

Later in the chapter, those who do not get invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb (those in rebellion against God, which is the subject of the previous chapters) are destroyed by Jesus, who this time is portrayed as a warrior. They are left in the battlefield, and their bodies are eaten by the birds. This is called "the great supper of God". It's not a direct quote, but I can see a correlation (in the song) between the days being "desparate" for evil people who don't know that the end is coming, since it all ends so awfully in this passage. This also may lend some insight to the beginning of the song Wedding Feast, where it says, "The banished ones are gone for good, gone for good"
and they have a feast to celebrate.

The passage for this is long, but it's in Revelation 19:11-21, where John writes:



I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.
His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

king of kings and lord of lords.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God,
so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army.
But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

Pah, thank you for elaborating on my analysis. I need to brush up on my knowledge of the Bible.

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
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Reply #69 posted 12/05/16 4:01am

Lovejunky

206Michelle said:

pah said:

Pah, thank you for elaborating on my analysis. I need to brush up on my knowledge of the Bible.

That was both a Glorious Read and a Lesson for me...

THank you thank you..Id forgotten about this thread for a minute...smile

prince

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Reply #70 posted 12/05/16 5:03am

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TrivialPursuit said:



Purplebflogirl said:


7 has some undertone of the millennial reign..Book of revelations "Angel came down to me..holding the very key..etc.


If you look at the lyrics in the sleeve, hold them up to a mirror. There are backwards words on there referring to Revelations.



God. He put so much creativity into everything he did. I had learned it was about the Book of Revelations but had never heard this.
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