jaypotton said:

databank said:

I don't follow you. "unheard" and "unreleased" are one and the same anyway unless you accept bootlegs have being "heard" (unreleased but heard). B-sides and extended cuts have been both released and heard, so you're calling WB a liar. Maybe u're right, but then WB deserves bashing.

I might be splitting hairs but I focused on the "unreleased" quote to mean not released officially in the full knowledge that many bootlegs exist so most of the songs will have been "heard". Also the press release does not say the second CD will contain exclusively unreleased material. Just that is will contain unreleased material. Subtle difference.

Unheard it NOT the same thing... they know what is out there...at least i hope they do.

I have to say that whoever ends up with the decision making power MUST hire at least as a consult some super fans (forget that FAM stuff--i am a fanatic so there) to tell give advice as to what is out there and what is not and how it is viewed...


and remember every so often we hear about some long lost song by some act....with Prince they will find albums!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

muleFunk said:

Yes

wow that was a LONG time ago....man there used to be a great archive of it all but i heard they deleted a lot of it over privacy issues... i would love to go read some of the stuff there!

or the PML... the real on not the digest or the PPML

Yes this was back in 2002 when the new Org format was rolled out.

Good times.

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You're projecting.

Maybe, but you cannot deny that your continuous Prince-bashing has been a reality over the years. Justified or not is irrelevant, because he's only a celebrity, and one usually doesn't spend so much time and energy campaigning against someone unless they have personal reasons to. Unless they're mentally disturbed (we've had those and you know who they are) but I do not think you are mentally disturbed at all: your posts are way too articulated. You have your mind alright. So if there's no personal history there must nevertheless be a reason.

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One does not have to be "dumb" or inarticulate to be mentally distrubed.

An ongoing negative obsession is a mental distrubance.

databank said:

muleFunk said:

udo said:

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Hmmyes, but what CONtract is in place after Prince's demise?

This is part of the deal that was signed with Prince and WB in 2014 which remains until the completion of the deal. The Vault material is what will be up for future contracts.

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So you imply YES that CONtracts survive aftre one's death.

Thanks.

LET rhino HANDLE IT

udo said:

muleFunk said:

This is part of the deal that was signed with Prince and WB in 2014 which remains until the completion of the deal. The Vault material is what will be up for future contracts.

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So you imply YES that CONtracts survive aftre one's death.

Thanks.

some do but not all

jaypotton said:

databank said:

"A second album of previously unreleased material" (that's the exact quote) pretty much says what it says, and that's all we have for now.

"Unreleased" means unreleased = bootlegged maybe, but not officially released, and that excludes singles' b-sides and extended mixes, since they were official released.

"Of" doesn't mean "including" nor "with", it means "of", i.e. only unreleased music.

So we have every right to expect a full length album of unreleased music, because that's what they've announced word for word. If they are to rerelease the PR b-sides, edits and extended versions too, it can't possibly be on that specific record.

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Hey it's all good and as I said I hope you are right as the more we get the better. But gotta say I think you are being A) too literal and B) too trusting of a press release. The same press release mentioned TMBGITW and yet that is not on the 4Ever track-listing! I would be willing to lay money (maybe not too much lol) that my prediction is right. Fancy a bet?

IDK and to be honest I don't really care, I have enough Prince music to last me till I die. I'm just saying this has been announced and it is not subject to interpretation. If it's something else then God bless WB because they will have announced something then released something else, so they gonna have a hell of a shitstorm to deal with

veronikka said:

Only one unreleased song

Yeah whats up with that.

BartVanHemelen said:

dodger said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Except Prince didn't have $250 million when he died. Sure, there's an estimate that his estate could be worth that, but the actual worth right here right now? Nowhere near that.

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Note that plenty of people in his entourage have stated frustration about Prince abandoning projects at the drop of a hat.

For fucks sake, you make Eminem's Stan and Mark Chapman look sane. . You've been on here for about 20 years with your personal vendetta and even carry it on when he's dead. Very weird and sad really

From what I can see, Bart is just stating facts, or at least anecdotes from people close to Prince, while you're the one getting personal. I think it's good to have people on the board who aren't afraid of calling Prince out.

Ultimately I like Prince for his music, not for his business savvy. All his business decisions made sense within the confines of his viewpoint of art before business and you're wrong if you think he put business first.

Many, maybe even most, of his business ventures turned out to be bad decisions financially, but do I give a fuck? He liked to brag about his business savvy, he was mostly wrong, we all knew it, he was occasionally right, good for him. Neither of those results are why we listened to his music.

And sure, the music wasn't always up to scratch, not always, but at least we knew he meant it. It was always a snapshot of where he was, for better and for worse. If he was tired and wornout the album probably sounded like that, if he was crazy into religion that year it sounded like that as well. I'm happy he always did a new album instead of a purple rain reunion tour every single time, even if I didn't especially like the album, hell even if he didn't especially like it because he was mainly playing the hits live. I'm a lot sadder about some of the artistic journeys he might have still went on than any of the business journeys.

Now that's he's passed away, we have the rest of eternity to reissue his unreleased music. We can build a fucking monument to him that'll last a thousand years and make a pile of money for whoever but it won't lead to a new album where he tries to take on some contemporary sound and make it his own. And maybe you'd only like 2 songs off it, but that'd be another 2 songs to add to the list, and you'd sure as hell get at least another 2 songs a year later.

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kpowers said:

veronikka said:

Only one unreleased song

Yeah whats up with that.

There will be more unreleased songs on future releases. This is only something less than a year after his death. You guys want 100 unreleased vault material so soon. That is ridiculous and is not going to happen. There are decades left yet to release his catalogue.

jaawwnn said:

Ultimately I like Prince for his music, not for his business savvy. All his business decisions made sense within the confines of his viewpoint of art before business and you're wrong if you think he put business first.

Many, maybe even most, of his business ventures turned out to be bad decisions financially, but do I give a fuck? He liked to brag about his business savvy, he was mostly wrong, we all knew it, he was occasionally right, good for him. Neither of those results are why we listened to his music.

And sure, the music wasn't always up to scratch, not always, but at least we knew he meant it. It was always a snapshot of where he was, for better and for worse. If he was tired and wornout the album probably sounded like that, if he was crazy into religion that year it sounded like that as well. I'm happy he always did a new album instead of a purple rain reunion tour every single time, even if I didn't especially like the album, hell even if he didn't especially like it because he was mainly playing the hits live. I'm a lot sadder about some of the artistic journeys he might have still went on than any of the business journeys.

Now that's he's passed away, we have the rest of eternity to reissue his unreleased music. We can build a fucking monument to him that'll last a thousand years and make a pile of money for whoever but it won't lead to a new album where he tries to take on some contemporary sound and make it his own. And maybe you'd only like 2 songs off it, but that'd be another 2 songs to add to the list, and you'd sure as hell get at least another 2 songs a year later.

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Yes - and yes again!

Iamtheorg said:

kpowers said:

Yeah whats up with that.

There will be more unreleased songs on future releases. This is only something less than a year after his death. You guys want 100 unreleased vault material so soon. That is ridiculous and is not going to happen. There are decades left yet to release his catalogue.

Never said that. But 1 song only is such a tease, maybe 3-5 songs on this compilation would be reasonable.

I noticed that the compilation only contains songs up to 1993.......I was hoping they would have included songs like I Hate U, Musicology, Black Sweat etc too, or do they have to get permission from the other labels he signed to to include them? Maybe they will do a second one containing his recent material

with 1000 songs in the vault they can release a best of every year with one new song for 1000 years

eyewishuheaven said:

purpleaslan said:

I know, I have always wanted to hear the album version remastered...bet it would sound amazing with those backing vocals...

The version on the Girl 6 soundtrack is mastered very nicely, definitely worth picking up for it and others.

But "Adore" on the Girl 6 soundtrack still has the fade out of "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" at the beginning.

sexton said:

But "Adore" on the Girl 6 soundtrack still has the fade out of "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" at the beginning.

that bugges me too

airth said:

dodger said:

BartVanHemelen said: For fucks sake, you make Eminem's Stan and Mark Chapman look sane. . You've been on here for about 20 years with your personal vendetta and even carry it on when he's dead. Very weird and sad really

From what I can see, Bart is just stating facts, or at least anecdotes from people close to Prince, while you're the one getting personal. I think it's good to have people on the board who aren't afraid of calling Prince out.

Calling Prince out on everything shows that you have a personal vendetta.

Many people who "called" Prince out were acting like he wronged them personally.

A CD that was ordered and not delivered is not an act of Prince Rogers Nelson but his shipping department. Yet people came here and thought that Prince was fucking with them by not sending what they ordered. I talked with a person who worked for the NPGMC and one of the biggest problems they had was people giving the wrong mailing address. Then they would complain when it was shipped to the wrong house. There was also a problem with things being shipped overseas.

I can understand the anger at the company but to carry it on to be against everything he did afterward is beyond comprehension.

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Iamtheorg said:

databank said:

Maybe, but you cannot deny that your continuous Prince-bashing has been a reality over the years. Justified or not is irrelevant, because he's only a celebrity, and one usually doesn't spend so much time and energy campaigning against someone unless they have personal reasons to. Unless they're mentally disturbed (we've had those and you know who they are) but I do not think you are mentally disturbed at all: your posts are way too articulated. You have your mind alright. So if there's no personal history there must nevertheless be a reason.

[Edited 10/29/16 5:10am]

One does not have to be "dumb" or inarticulate to be mentally distrubed.

An ongoing negative obsession is a mental distrubance.

this BVH clearly feels that to show any emotion / saddness with us at the passing of Prince is a weakness. He continues to project his opinions in death as he did when p was alive...this gives him the feeling of superiority & shows , on the fac eof it a total lack of empathy. It also gives him a platform to set himself up as the voice of knowledge in the community therefore giving him a reason to stick around. It's a classic case. His opinions [IMHO] are worthless & frankly desperate...a LOT is based on his opinion & not hard fact. Personally the opinions & expereinces of world class musicians/musical legends, people in all areas of the arts, artists young & old, people who have benefitted from his charities & hard core business people amongst others are the opinions I read & above all respect. They were there!

muleFunk said:

airth said:

From what I can see, Bart is just stating facts, or at least anecdotes from people close to Prince, while you're the one getting personal. I think it's good to have people on the board who aren't afraid of calling Prince out.

Calling Prince out on everything shows that you have a personal vendetta.

Many people who "called" Prince out were acting like he wronged them personally.

A CD that was ordered and not delivered is not an act of Prince Rogers Nelson but his shipping department. Yet people came here and thought that Prince was fucking with them by not sending what they ordered. I talked with a person who worked for the NPGMC and one of the biggest problems they had was people giving the wrong mailing address. Then they would complain when it was shipped to the wrong house. There was also a problem with things being shipped overseas.

I can understand the anger at the company but to carry it on to be against everything he did afterward is beyond comprehension.

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& yet Ben & co still give him a platform. Screw free speech & principles...i'd ban him asap. Our Prince has died & he continues to disrespect..beggards belief & is beyond contempt.

I don't want him banned.

I actually like Bart and will occasionally agree with him sometimes.

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anyway...back on topic!

The album seems to have been planned well in advance with Warners, P was also playing Moonbeam Levels live [he wlays road tested stuff wayyy in advance!]. I am surprised at some of the songs though given his feelings on the ruder lyrics?

Really hoping these are remastered versions, overall the compilation does differ [slightly!] from the others out there. Be warned though..expect loads more of these over the years...look at Elvis & Bowie...sooo many GT compilations out there.

As for Purple Rain Disc 2...i think we are all intrigued.

I agree .

The Greatest Hits was mentioned back in 2014/15.

muleFunk said:

I don't want him banned.

I actually like Bart and will occationally agree with him sometimes.

[Edited 10/30/16 9:07am]

It's good having someone who cuts through the sycophantic bullshit that pops up occasionally on this forum.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Iamtheorg said:

One does not have to be "dumb" or inarticulate to be mentally distrubed.

An ongoing negative obsession is a mental distrubance.

this BVH clearly feels that to show any emotion / saddness with us at the passing of Prince is a weakness. He continues to project his opinions in death as he did when p was alive...this gives him the feeling of superiority & shows , on the fac eof it a total lack of empathy. It also gives him a platform to set himself up as the voice of knowledge in the community therefore giving him a reason to stick around. It's a classic case. His opinions [IMHO] are worthless & frankly desperate...a LOT is based on his opinion & not hard fact. Personally the opinions & expereinces of world class musicians/musical legends, people in all areas of the arts, artists young & old, people who have benefitted from his charities & hard core business people amongst others are the opinions I read & above all respect. They were there!

And the thing is, this "knowledge" that he has about Prince are things that we ALL know. Well, most of us. We just ont continually pound people over the head with it for decades. To do so, as well as eliminating the positive, is NOT normal.

I think he got touched that his past website back then never warranted on Prince's radar to send a C&D to lol.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

muleFunk said:

Calling Prince out on everything shows that you have a personal vendetta.

Many people who "called" Prince out were acting like he wronged them personally.

A CD that was ordered and not delivered is not an act of Prince Rogers Nelson but his shipping department. Yet people came here and thought that Prince was fucking with them by not sending what they ordered. I talked with a person who worked for the NPGMC and one of the biggest problems they had was people giving the wrong mailing address. Then they would complain when it was shipped to the wrong house. There was also a problem with things being shipped overseas.

I can understand the anger at the company but to carry it on to be against everything he did afterward is beyond comprehension.

[Edited 10/30/16 6:27am]

& yet Ben & co still give him a platform. Screw free speech & principles...i'd ban him asap. Our Prince has died & he continues to disrespect..beggards belief & is beyond contempt.

Thats all because AMP became a cesspool of defunctness so he had no place left to go but here. Same as many other ampers who once clowned prince.org. every chance they got.

sexton said:

muleFunk said:

I don't want him banned.

I actually like Bart and will occationally agree with him sometimes.

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It's good having someone who cuts through the sycophantic bullshit that pops up occasionally on this forum.

under normal circumstances we would ALL agree with you...but Prince has died..in pain..& alone. What you call 'sycophantic bullshit' is actually a combination of utter heartache, love, respect, appreciation & disbelief that we lost him in such horrible circumstances. I've said it many, many times but the thought that he battled through years of pain yet continued to work relentlessly producing albums & touring constantly as well as supporting artists & charities is beyond heart breaking. So, forgive us for coming out with 'sycophantic bullshit'.... i prefer to call it love.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

sexton said:

It's good having someone who cuts through the sycophantic bullshit that pops up occasionally on this forum.

under normal circumstances we would ALL agree with you...but Prince has died..in pain..& alone. What you call 'sycophantic bullshit' is actually a combination of utter heartache, love, respect, appreciation & disbelief that we lost him in such horrible circumstances. I've said it many, many times but the thought that he battled through years of pain yet continued to work relentlessly producing albums & touring constantly as well as supporting artists & charities is beyond heart breaking. So, forgive us for coming out with 'sycophantic bullshit'.... i prefer to call it love.

Even love gets monotonous.

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