zenarose said:

CooperC62057 said:

laurarichardson said:

CooperC62057 said:

sonshine said:

Thank goodness. This is good news. It's all in liquid form tho? I don't think they sell it that way, or do they? Or they must somehow manufactual it into pill form, or combine it somehow with existing pills. I'm somewhat confused by how that all works.

I've been looking into this. Fentanyl comes in gel, liquid and powder form. Difficult to obtain the liquid form unless there is some medical connection and highly unlikely to be obtained in such a quantity as a gallon as opposed to a vial. However, fentanyl is a manufactured product and it is being manufactured in China - the drug dealers obtain it through a pipeline direct from China. They then add it to their "cocktail" of crushed pills prior to pressing their own counterfeit pills which are then sent into the streets for sale. Fentanyl apparently is cheap to manufacture and purchase. So, if the dealer adds a more powerful high to their pills, they can charge more for their product and believe it or not, their product is more sought after because it is more potent. Problem is that they cannot regulate the quantity or "dosage" from one pill to the next and therefore, one pill may be deadly while the next is simply a more potent "high". Add to that the fact that when people who abuse opiates hear of an overdose or death, they will actively seek to purchase from that exact source. In heroin overdoses, the majority of the time, the heroin has been "cut" with fentanyl to increase the dealer's profit (fentanyl is cheaper than heroin). It's not the heroin that has caused the death - it's the fentanyl. None of this may have any relevance into what happened in Prince's case but since it was brought up, just thought I'd help to clarify.

See page 24 post # 699 and post # 703 you will find it interesting.

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said:

Laura: The ME only had Prince from whatever time they took him to the ME office 4/21 , Till Friday around 1 or 2pm 4/22 when the ME turned the body over to family for cremation. On 4/23 they had a private service at PP.

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/entertainment/prince-death-main/index.html

LOL you threw me a minute I had to go re check.

That is still not rushing.

you caused my brain to lock the breaks!! Not a sweet way to treat an over worked researching

mind

cryingdoves said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes. They found "U47700" in his system, and reports stated that he ingested a "legal cocktail" of pills. That just broke my heart when I read that.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-47700

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We don't know for sure if Prince used Fentanyl in a "patch" form, but if he was using the patch, along with other pills. Well, you know the outcome is not gonna be good.

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Perhaps the police do have an idea where the pills came from, but like you said, they don't have enough evidence to charge anyone.

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I wish lovely sister Tyka who loves her brother so much, who rushed to cremate him so fast would go and and get a second autopsy!!!! This would answer so many questions and prove so many things right now!!

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I said this a few days ago, that Prince's family could have another autopsy done, if they wanted to. I don't know if they kept specimens, but they could run tests to check for other drugs/chemicals in his system.

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, I agree. And when that news came out; I was taken aback by it, honestly. I was like, what? "Self Administered".......how did they conclude that? Ya know?

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I'm assuming that if the investigators did not see anything that would suspect foul play, then they would go with the conclusion that Prince took those pills at his own will.

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That's how I look at it, anyways.

I still think they should have just said Fentanyl poisoning without the self administered wording.all clothing on incorrectly, even both socks, is suspicious

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I agree with you. Seeing that was very upsetting. To think that something like this could happen to Prince is just unimaginable. Yes, I know he was human -- but all of this just seems out of character for him. To be fine one minute and dropped off at PP, and then the next thing we know, he's found in an elevator?

laurarichardson said:

cryingdoves said:

-/It is not a matter of rushing the ME had the body for a week something has to been quickly and Ahmir was cremated at the same crematory so I believe she was following his wishes. If she knew two years ahead they had time to discuss it. She may not need a second report because she had seen the full report.

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Laura, I'm glad you mentioned Ahmir, because I was thinking about him last night. You said he was cremated at the same place that Prince was; do you happen to know what happened to his remains? I was thinking about this, because Prince is gone now and I wonder where his son remains are.

CooperC62057 said:

sonshine said:

Thank goodness. This is good news. It's all in liquid form tho? I don't think they sell it that way, or do they? Or they must somehow manufactual it into pill form, or combine it somehow with existing pills. I'm somewhat confused by how that all works.

I've been looking into this. Fentanyl comes in gel, liquid and powder form. Difficult to obtain the liquid form unless there is some medical connection and highly unlikely to be obtained in such a quantity as a gallon as opposed to a vial. However, fentanyl is a manufactured product and it is being manufactured in China - the drug dealers obtain it through a pipeline direct from China. They then add it to their "cocktail" of crushed pills prior to pressing their own counterfeit pills which are then sent into the streets for sale. Fentanyl apparently is cheap to manufacture and purchase. So, if the dealer adds a more powerful high to their pills, they can charge more for their product and believe it or not, their product is more sought after because it is more potent. Problem is that they cannot regulate the quantity or "dosage" from one pill to the next and therefore, one pill may be deadly while the next is simply a more potent "high". Add to that the fact that when people who abuse opiates hear of an overdose or death, they will actively seek to purchase from that exact source. In heroin overdoses, the majority of the time, the heroin has been "cut" with fentanyl to increase the dealer's profit (fentanyl is cheaper than heroin). It's not the heroin that has caused the death - it's the fentanyl. None of this may have any relevance into what happened in Prince's case but since it was brought up, just thought I'd help to clarify.

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Yea, Zena posted some articles on here the other day about Fentanyl being manufactured in China. It's really horrible what is going on. They said that it is being manufactured in so many different labs around China, that it's difficult to track.

laurarichardson said:

cryingdoves said:

--- I hope Apples spoke to the police about this conversation. I almost wish she had not said anything at all if she was not going to explain why they were having that conversation.

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I'm almost certain that the Police have questioned Apollonia. I still have that quote saved (what she said Prince told her back in 2014):

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'The enemy sends people into our lives just as God does. Be wise enough to know who to let in and who to let go.' 'The devil will walk into a room with tears and will try to make you feel sorry for him.'

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said:

Laura: The ME only had Prince from whatever time they took him to the ME office 4/21 , Till Friday around 1 or 2pm 4/22 when the ME turned the body over to family for cremation. On 4/23 they had a private service at PP.

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/entertainment/prince-death-main/index.html

LOL you threw me a minute I had to go re check.

That is still not rushing.

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I understand that it is not uncommon at all to have a cremation done within 3-days. However, when my Mother passed away, it took longer than that, but that was probably because we had some or her organs donated for research. Sorry if this sounds morbid.

When my mother was cremated, it was three days after death. Of course, there was no investigation for her cause of death. I was surprised that the ME let him go so quickly; I assumed the cremation occurred immediately to avoid any type of illicit photography.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:

That is still not rushing.

Kinda is rushing if they can't do a second autopsy... Hind sight always 20/20 but there are some questions that came up after this turned into a criminal investigation and now a homicide...

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What gets me the most about the quick cremation is that the Police declared it was a criminal investigation, after the fact.

1Sasha said:

When my mother was cremated, it was three days after death. Of course, there was no investigation for her cause of death. I was surprised that the ME let him go so quickly; I assumed the cremation occurred immediately to avoid any type of illicit photography.

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I've said this a hundred times on here that I don't believe the Carver County Sheriff handled this investigation properly. PP should have been declared a crime scene and no one should have been allowed to walk in and out of PP. Prince was already cremated by the time they did the search warrant. What good is that, when there is the possibility of the crime scene being contaminated? Makes no damn sense! Makes me think of what happend to that sweet girl, JonBenet....the crime scene was contaminated, and that's why 20-years later, they still don't know who killed her. A damn shame!!

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I have never seen this picture of Prince before. This was during Hit N Run (2015) when he was in France. He looked pretty good there, I must say! He was wearing a hat, but he looks to be in very good physical shape. So hard to believe, he passed away only a year later.

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http://www.schkopi.com/index.php/2015/03/artistes-associes/nouvelle-tournee-hit-n-run-de-prince-aux-usa/

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cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said: Kinda is rushing if they can't do a second autopsy... Hind sight always 20/20 but there are some questions that came up after this turned into a criminal investigation and now a homicide...

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What gets me the most about the quick cremation is that the Police declared it was a criminal investigation, after the fact.

EXACTLY, Clover! On the day of P's death (as I've stated before), crime technicians/investigators were "summoned" to the scene. This action is not protocol for every death scene. If it is thought to be a possible crime scene, then and only then are the technicians called out to investigate. Which begs the question, if crime scene technichians/detectives were summoned, why was PP not declared a crime scene/investigation until 5/6/16(?). I find this quite odd, being that it is a FACT that in the state of MN, it is AGAINST THE LAW to cremate a body while a criminal investigation is underway

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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What gets me the most about the quick cremation is that the Police declared it was a criminal investigation, after the fact.

EXACTLY, Clover! On the day of P's death (as I've stated before), crime technicians/investigators were "summoned" to the scene. This action is not protocol for every death scene. If it is thought to be a possible crime scene, then and only then are the technicians called out to investigate. Which begs the question, if crime scene technichians/detectives were summoned, why was PP not declared a crime scene/investigation until 5/6/16(?). I find this quite odd, being that it is a FACT that in the state of MN, it is AGAINST THE LAW to cremate a body while a criminal investigation is underway

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Tell it, Sista! The way the entire investigation was handled was very upsetting to me. Whenever a deceased person is discovered, authorities will immediately close off the area, i.e, "crime scene". Like you said, Carver County Sheriff did not do a search warrant until 5/6/16 is really unsettling. Who the hell knows who was walking in and out of PP and moving things and/or removing items & contaminating the crime scene??!! I keep going back to those two things; the search warrant coming after Prince was already cremated. Outrageous!!

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cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

it's odd but today i read about a local college kid who supposedly drove into some water and drowned, looked at the comments and there was a guy who had a liink to suspicious deaths where bodies are found in the water and their clothes are all on inside out. People aren't sure what it was but some people thought it may have been an interdimensional creature or aliens, anyway, i don't know but the clothes on inside out made me think of Prince.

PeteSilas said:

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PeteSilas said:

oliviacamron said:

PeteSilas said:

it's odd but today i read about a local college kid who supposedly drove into some water and drowned, looked at the comments and there was a guy who had a liink to suspicious deaths where bodies are found in the water and their clothes are all on inside out. People aren't sure what it was but some people thought it may have been an interdimensional creature or aliens, anyway, i don't know but the clothes on inside out made me think of Prince.

Can you share the link? Can't find nothing

ya, here it is. don't know what to make of it, the illuminati or angels and devils though, I'm just saying i thought it was interesting with the clothes thing. https://cryptidantiquaria...ssing-411/

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

oliviacamron said:

PeteSilas said: Can you share the link? Can't find nothing

ya, here it is. don't know what to make of it, the illuminati or angels and devils though, I'm just saying i thought it was interesting with the clothes thing. https://cryptidantiquaria...ssing-411/

and i guess it was the shoes missing thing that got me, it's kind of a long article and I don't necessarily believe any of it. http://flashpress.weebly....ng-project

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