cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

NOTACLEVERNAME: What truths are you highlighting? I told the truth, I admitted that I shouldn't

have commented on you comment. I genuinely apologized and explained to you that I am leary of

media reports. I find the reports in my research but that doesn't mean that I believe them, due to all

the discrepancies. I own what I do and if I make a mistake I say so, I am not ashamed as I am fallible

just like everyone else. If you still have an issue with me I'm not sure what that would be. I am not

pushing my thoughts and beliefs on you nor anyone else. I am truly a peaceful person. I really want

to continue to focus on what is important to me. When you first started posting on this thread, I tried

to make you feel welcome. I see no reason to carry this further as I have no reason to want create

drama with you. I want no discontent with you. The only reason that I commented on your post is to

step up because I have no problem with the truth and you insinuated that no one would step up.

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Zena: I really don't understand what you or I said wrong in any of those threads that NOTACLEVER is referring to. You apologized to her, and just wanted to clarify some things.

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It seems like your words are being manipulated. That is how I feel here a lot of days.

CLOVER: I am not going to fall into it. I have realized that there are those that think they have

authority over what should or should not be discussed. There are people in the world that feel that

they need to control others. There are those that feel that we have no right to discuss and should

not discuss Prince's death. That we are bad people for searching for the truth or for having opinions

and feelings about what has happened. Frankly, we don't need approval or permission. We have a

right to think what we think and feel what we feel. Prince's death is not settled. There is an ongoing

investigation. We really don't know what happened and it bothers us, frustrates us. All of what we

thought we knew all these years has now been put to question. I pray that soon there will be truth

and answers because that is the only way the healing can begin and we can move on in the stages

of grief. We as individuals have to do what we know is right and should not let negetive influences

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NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

I'm not sure what you are referring to in Reply #46. I posted the article about WB releasing a new Prince album. Did I say something wrong there?

I never said this was a one-way street. I'm always open for discussions. I never push my thoughts or ideas on anyone. I will always respect other people's opinions, even when I don't agree with them. I will never insult anyone for having a different opinion than mine.

I seem to be a target for PhatPhuk, and I have no idea why. He insults people and makes fun of people on here all the time. It's one thing if you disagree with someone, but then to speak to them in a condescending tone or joke about their religious/spiritual belief's or whatever is just wrong. I'm fine with freedom of speech, but I'm not cool with insulting other's. Now, if someone is provoking me and personally attacking me, I'm not going to sit there and take it.

So, you don't believe that PhatPhuk's avatar and the fact that he types in large, bold letters isn't annoying to other people here? I mean, why do that, unless you are just trying to be annoying. There is no need to do that. Also, PhatPhuk has never addressed me, personally. He communicates indirectly with me, but I know he is referring to me in his posts. Strange behavior, if you ask me.

So, you are saying that I am not courteous to others? All I said was that there are some of us who are searching for answers surrounding Prince's death, and to please be patient with us, because some people were getting testy.

What untruths did you highlight above?

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Well, since you've asked for clarification.... I was pointing out (I bolded YOUR comment) the fact that you have, indeed, enlarged, bolded, etc. text to draw attention to your post. As an example, I directed you to your Reply #46. Which includes the aforementioned manipulation. For the life of me, NO, I cannot understand how the way phatphuk chooses to display his posts would ANNOY someone. I truly don't. Why LET it annoy you? He is entitled to express himself in the way he sees fit, just as you are. I guess it simply boils down to how you interpret something. I CHOOSE to see the humor in his thoughts. Additionally, I don't think there is a standard all posters must adhere to/abide by with regard to how they display their posts on this forum. If you can provide a rule that details this, please point it out. Regarding the other post of yours that I highlighted...I simply asked that aren't the members, who are in direct opposition to your opinions, entitled to the same "patience" that you have asked for? We all have choices clover....I guess if you feel "attacked, "insulted" and/or "provoked", and you feel the need to respond, no one is going to stop you from responding; however, I would advise you to steel yourself for the potential ensuing backlash. Now, I am going to take advantage of my right of "choice" and go vote. I hope you have a good day.

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I appreciate your response and the clarification.

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Yes, I do use the "bold" feature at times, as many of us do here on the Org, but I'm not using big letters, or changing the formatting of the text.

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Maybe you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. What I meant when I said "manipulation" is when someone manipulates (changes) what another person said. Some people will misunderstand another person's comment or manipulate what they said in order to change it's meaning.

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Again, I think you misunderstood what I meant when I said "patience", and I thought I clarified that in my previous response.

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You were the one who responded to my original post. My original post was not addressed to you. Furthermore, I never said I felt attacked, insulted or provoked by you.

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I don't know how much more clearer I can be with what I said. If you have an issue with me, then maybe you should not respond to my posts anymore.

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I'm glad you find humor in PhatPhuks posts; not everyone feels the same as you either.

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You have a good day, as well.

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zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Zena: I really don't understand what you or I said wrong in any of those threads that NOTACLEVER is referring to. You apologized to her, and just wanted to clarify some things.

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It seems like your words are being manipulated. That is how I feel here a lot of days.

CLOVER: I am not going to fall into it. I have realized that there are those that think they have

authority over what should or should not be discussed. There are people in the world that feel that

they need to control others. There are those that feel that we have no right to discuss and should

not discuss Prince's death. That we are bad people for searching for the truth or for having opinions

and feelings about what has happened. Frankly, we don't need approval or permission. We have a

right to think what we think and feel what we feel. Prince's death is not settled. There is an ongoing

investigation. We really don't know what happened and it bothers us, frustrates us. All of what we

thought we knew all these years has now been put to question. I pray that soon there will be truth

and answers because that is the only way the healing can begin and we can move on in the stages

of grief. We as individuals have to do what we know is right and should not let negetive influences

affect us. 41

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I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. I am being made to feel like I am doing something wrong here, and I'm not. This is a forum to discuss "Prince curiosities, conspiracies and his death", and now I'm being scolded for posting too much on here. I guess I should just remain silent, then people will label me as being as not caring or having an opinion, or whatever.

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I just don't like when people take my words and twist them around to justify making a point to make themsevles feel better. That's called "manipulation", i.e., putting words in someone's mouth. I don't like people telling that I said something when I didn't say it. You can only try to explain yourself so many times, ya know? My God!!

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Well, I'm glad you understand me.

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cloveringold85 said:

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

I appreciate your response and the clarification.

Yes, I do use the "bold" feature at times, as many of us do here on the Org, but I'm not using big letters, or changing the formatting of the text.

Maybe you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. What I meant when I said "manipulation" is when someone manipulates (changes) what another person said. Some people will misunderstand another person's comment or manipulate what they said in order to change it's meaning.

Again, I think you misunderstood what I meant when I said "patience", and I thought I clarified that in my previous response.

You were the one who responded to my original post. My original post was not addressed to you. Furthermore, I never said I felt attacked, insulted or provoked by you.

I don't know how much more clearer I can be with what I said. If you have an issue with me, then maybe you should not respond to my posts anymore.

I'm glad you find humor in PhatPhuks posts; not everyone feels the same as you either.

You have a good day, as well.

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This is your exact text: Reply #781 posted 11/07/16 4:39pm cloveringold85 Okay, so since the Prince Death thread has been removed, are we supposed to post in here now, in the "Conspiracies" thread? Examples: Prince in a Pink Dress Prince should Embrace His Baldness, Is Prince still alive What brand of make up does Prince wear ? Has Prince Lost It? Anal Obssessions Illuminati >/\^V> conspiracies of Prince's death I apologize to those of you who think I post too much or take up the entire screen with my replies. I happen to type very fast (I am an Executive Assistant by profession), and I learned how to type in High School. I type approximately 90 WPM. I am accustomed to working in a fast-paced environment, so I am quite comfortable with multi-tasking. I enjoy having two-way conversations with people (not one-sided). If someone asks me a question, I will try and answer as best I can and reply in kindness. I don't post my comments in large, bold letters to gain attention from other's. I am simply responding in the format that this forum was designed to be used. I don't alter the screen image with my replies. I have never considered myself to be "special" or better than anyone. I respect other's who respect me. That is how my Momma raised me. I always respect other people's opinions here. I just don't get why some people here have to be so damn rude and cruel. I live by the Golden Rule and respect is a two-way street. Respect is earned, not given. I hope I can stay around here, because I have met some really wonderful people here on the Org. But lately, it has been becoming increasingly difficult to deal with all the negativity and disrespect that I see on a daily basis here, not just towards me, personally, but other people here as well. It's certainly something that Prince would not approve of, nor be any part of. For whomever cares, thanks for listening. Peace & Love! (end of your response) As Prince sings in "Wherever Yo Go, Whatever You Do....say what you mean and mean what you say"; what you meant to say and what you did say are two different things. You very specifically said "I don't post my comments in large, bold letters". Which you have done in Page 2, Reply #46, when you added this verbiage: "Warner Bros. promises previously unreleased Prince music". Looks pretty big and bold to me. You did not specifically speak to someone manipulating the meaning of words. You simply didn't. And, you did add this comment in your initial post on the previous page: "I apologize to those of you who think I post too much". That comment "those of you" included ME because I counted and noted it in phatphuk's post. I am pointing out the fact that while you have asked for patience, you are not extending that same courtesy to others. Hence, my patience comment. I'm glad you didn't feel attacked, insulted or provoked by me; I certainly don't look for ways to be mean just for the sport of it. I don't think you do either. That's all. The End.

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NOTACLEVER: Just so you know, that post I made about WB releasing Prince's music was taken from a news article, hence why the title is in large, bold letters. I copied and pasted the article with the link. You can clearly see that it was a news article. It wasn't written by myself.

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I "do" say what I mean and mean what I say, that is why I tried to clarify myself to you, but it seems you want to keep this going. I for one, do not. You are repeating yourself, when I already addressed what you said.

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I don't know what more I can say to you. Can we both just agree to let this rest now?

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I am not a mean person. I don't have a spiteful bone in my body.

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NOTACLEVERNAME:

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Please see below....Do you see now how this was a news article that I copied and pasted, and provided the link?

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You can look at reply #46 again and see how that article came from the "Associated Press".

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oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Star Tribune just reported today that WB is releasing a new album "Prince4Ever" next month, with unreleased music.

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I love Prince, but I don't know if I will support it, because of what I know now about WB, just doesn't sit right with me.

Is that with just one unreleased song Moonbeam ? Just somebody bootleg it

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Yes, but there will be 40-songs total.....it will be an album (read below).

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From the Star Tribune:

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Warner Bros. promises previously unreleased Prince music

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http://www.startribune.com/warner-bros-promises-previously-unreleased-prince-music/397914821/

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cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. I am being made to feel like I am doing something wrong here, and I'm not. This is a forum to discuss "Prince curiosities, conspiracies and his death", and now I'm being scolded for posting too much on here. I guess I should just remain silent, then people will label me as being as not caring or having an opinion, or whatever.

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I just don't like when people take my words and twist them around to justify making a point to make themsevles feel better. That's called "manipulation", i.e., putting words in someone's mouth. I don't like people telling that I said something when I didn't say it. You can only try to explain yourself so many times, ya know? My God!!

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Well, I'm glad you understand me.

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I understand both you Clover and Zena Feel there are some that are not here for Prince and they try to derail and hurt the ones who really care to find out what happened to P. I have tried to ignore all that try to pull others down, we are all just speculating here...

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Hey, PurpleD! Thanks for that! I know some of us have a difference of opinion, but I'm not here to argue. If questioned, I try my best to answer, and that is all any of us can do, right?

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Peace & Love, my purple friend! I sure hope you are having a funky-fabulous day!!

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Huge Fentanyl bust in Hennipen County

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http://kstp.com/news/hennepin-county-fentanyl-bust-largest-minnesota-history/4313380/

zenarose said:

sonshine said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

sonshine said:

Thank goodness. This is good news. It's all in liquid form tho? I don't think they sell it that way, or do they? Or they must somehow manufactual it into pill form, or combine it somehow with existing pills. I'm somewhat confused by how that all works.

The liquid for is interesting...I have no idea about how this drug is usually given. So we have been told the fentanyl was on mislabeled pills but after this I am wondering again what form was the fentanyl in that killed P?

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All they told us was that there were pills found in his room and illegal Fentanyl was "self-administered", but not HOW or in what form (pill,patch or injection).

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I imagine we will get some more news soon.

cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

sonshine said: The liquid for is interesting...I have no idea about how this drug is usually given. So we have been told the fentanyl was on mislabeled pills but after this I am wondering again what form was the fentanyl in that killed P?

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All they told us was that there were pills found in his room and illegal Fentanyl was "self-administered", but not HOW or in what form (pill,patch or injection).

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I imagine we will get some more news soon.

The unknown source said that they found the Fentanyl mixed in with other substances in the pills found in his room once they tested the pills. They have not said if he took these pills. I do not know enough about medical exams to say if they could determine if the Fentanyl that killed him came from those pills they found. The autophys report did say he had no marks on his body other then those scars going down his legs. I don't know if the patches leave marks but they would have known if he was shooting up anything because they would have found track marks.

I know I havd an IV in my arm for a month and it left marks and I had a Jackson-Pratt bag which left marks. I do not know enough about the patches to say and we do not know what else was found in the private living quarters by the police.

I think the police have an idea of where and who he got the pills from but maybe they do not have enough evidence to bring charges against anyone. I just wonder how long they are going to keep the investigation open without moving forward. They longer this goes the less likely they are to charge anyone.

The term "self-administered" has always bothered me. I am not a conspiracy theory person, but I think that term should not be used.

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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All they told us was that there were pills found in his room and illegal Fentanyl was "self-administered", but not HOW or in what form (pill,patch or injection).

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I imagine we will get some more news soon.

The unknown source said that they found the Fentanyl mixed in with other substances in the pills found in his room once they tested the pills. They have not said if he took these pills. I do not know enough about medical exams to say if they could determine if the Fentanyl that killed him came from those pills they found. The autophys report did say he had no marks on his body other then those scars going down his legs. I don't know if the patches leave marks but they would have known if he was shooting up anything because they would have found track marks.

I know I havd an IV in my arm for a month and it left marks and I had a Jackson-Pratt bag which left marks. I do not know enough about the patches to say and we do not know what else was found in the private living quarters by the police.

I think the police have an idea of where and who he got the pills from but maybe they do not have enough evidence to bring charges against anyone. I just wonder how long they are going to keep the investigation open without moving forward. They longer this goes the less likely they are to charge anyone.

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Yes. They found "U47700" in his system, and reports stated that he ingested a "legal cocktail" of pills. That just broke my heart when I read that.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-47700

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We don't know for sure if Prince used Fentanyl in a "patch" form, but if he was using the patch, along with other pills. Well, you know the outcome is not gonna be good.

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Perhaps the police do have an idea where the pills came from, but like you said, they don't have enough evidence to charge anyone.

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oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said:

The term "self-administered" has always bothered me. I am not a conspiracy theory person, but I think that term should not be used.

True. We should start a petition for her to change that.

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It is my belief that the ME used the term "Self-Administered" because they did not conclude it was a suicide. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm guessing that is the term they have to use.

What a mess. Nearly seven months on and that is all I can say, still.

1Sasha said:

What a mess. Nearly seven months on and that is all I can say, still.

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I know, tell me about it, Gurl.

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It is my belief that the ME used the term "Self-Administered" because they did not conclude it was a suicide. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm guessing that is the term they have to use.

-/ I believe that is the case as well. I mean how would they know it was self admin but I know they have to put something on the report.

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I guess when they rule out suicide, they have to say it was "self-administered". I think when the news broke, many were wondering if it was suicide, which I don't think was the case, as you already know.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It is my belief that the ME used the term "Self-Administered" because they did not conclude it was a suicide. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm guessing that is the term they have to use.

That is strange wording. The ME put the info out there that they knew P took the lethal dose, how could they know that? Not sure if the autopsy could tell what form the fentanyl in him was (liquid, pills, powder etc.) or if he ate it with food or drank it.

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Yes, I agree. And when that news came out; I was taken aback by it, honestly. I was like, what? "Self Administered".......how did they conclude that? Ya know?

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I'm assuming that if the investigators did not see anything that would suspect foul play, then they would go with the conclusion that Prince took those pills at his own will.

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That's how I look at it, anyways.

XxAxX said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Hi Zena!

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Thanks for re-posting what Apollonia said. Interesting too, because he said that in "2014"--two years before he died.

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Jubilant Judas is who?

JJ

like CJ?

I never read this before and thank you for posting this. You are right, 2 years before he died? I cannot find out who J JUdas is though? Can you help me on this one ?

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

The unknown source said that they found the Fentanyl mixed in with other substances in the pills found in his room once they tested the pills. They have not said if he took these pills. I do not know enough about medical exams to say if they could determine if the Fentanyl that killed him came from those pills they found. The autophys report did say he had no marks on his body other then those scars going down his legs. I don't know if the patches leave marks but they would have known if he was shooting up anything because they would have found track marks.

I know I havd an IV in my arm for a month and it left marks and I had a Jackson-Pratt bag which left marks. I do not know enough about the patches to say and we do not know what else was found in the private living quarters by the police.

I think the police have an idea of where and who he got the pills from but maybe they do not have enough evidence to bring charges against anyone. I just wonder how long they are going to keep the investigation open without moving forward. They longer this goes the less likely they are to charge anyone.

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Yes. They found "U47700" in his system, and reports stated that he ingested a "legal cocktail" of pills. That just broke my heart when I read that.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-47700

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We don't know for sure if Prince used Fentanyl in a "patch" form, but if he was using the patch, along with other pills. Well, you know the outcome is not gonna be good.

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Perhaps the police do have an idea where the pills came from, but like you said, they don't have enough evidence to charge anyone.

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I wish lovely sister Tyka who loves her brother so much, who rushed to cremate him so fast would go and and get a second autopsy!!!! This would answer so many questions and prove so many things right now!!

cloveringold85 said:

cryingdoves said:

Laura: The ME only had Prince from whatever time they took him to the ME office 4/21 , Till Friday around 1 or 2pm 4/22 when the ME turned the body over to family for cremation. On 4/23 they had a private service at PP.

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/entertainment/prince-death-main/index.html

LOL you threw me a minute I had to go re check.

sonshine said:

cryingdoves said: