laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

So I guess it's once a month we get a tiny bit more of information. I guess by St. Patrick's Day we'll have the full story.

More people who know what was going on will start talking. I know a few are going to write books and it is easier to say what you want to say in a book then it is to do a media interview and have your words twisted and changed as a few associates say has already happened.

Yep.

Dr. S is the local doctor or pain specialist from LA? Because I thought the pain specialist was called after the first OD or at least recently.

Its all so confusing. But it still doesn't mean I am convinced that P had an hidden illness. It would make some sense, sure, but so would a drug addiction that was hidden but firmly in place.

laurarichardson said:

"but perhaps the first overdose scared and shamed him just enough that he was willing to see the pain specialist." He was already seeing doctor S before the overdose and we still don't know if he actually had an overdose on that plane. Norcon is given to people who are just unresponsive.

purplerabbithole said:

I said its possible he had mixed feelings. maybe, two years ago, he didn't care about what the pills would do to him.. (when he wrote Way Back HOme) but perhaps the first overdose scared and shamed him just enough that he was willing to see the pain specialist. It might have taken some convincing by those around him who were finally seeing the light about his hidden addiction. too little too late maybe. His family might have thought he was a lost cause but wanted to try to help him anyway after the initial overdose.

I am actually not convinced that the family would think that keeping an illness secret would respect his privacy. Even from a cynical point of view, wouldn't they want to protect their "brand" by making sure P was not labeled as just some "junkie"? I also don't understand why seeing a specialist for pain and drug issues would be important to P if he knew he was dying. (Another theory--the first overdose scared him so he considered getting help for the first time but he discovered that his liver was shot, so P thought "Forget it. I will just go back to the pain pills". He did and unfortunately took a bad batch.

The hidden disease theory doesn't totally convince me (unless it was his liver due to drug usage). I think P was in physical pain (understandably) due to the strain his body had taken (and not just his hips but probably also his back, knees, arms, ankles, joints, hands, etc) but didn't want to slow down entirely. I vaguely remember him implying that he wasn't going to play guitar anymore. It reminded me of Eric Clapton who is struggling to play guitar now due to arthritis.

Up to about a year before he died, he seemed really agile on stage. This agility (in my opinion) proves that pain pills had to have been involved probably since 2009 (when his hips supposedly started bothering him) . I don't hold any of this against P. I sympathize and would never label him as a a junkie for taking medication to function at his job and alleviate pain. If he was addicted to anything psychologically (not neurologically speaking) it was working and music. This is perhaps the tragedy of his life really--that he never allowed himself "me" time away from music. Music is certainly a double-edged sword. That is how I see it. Maybe Tyka's inconsistent statements are indicative of her mixed feelings about Prince's gift (music being as much a gift as it is a burden).

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By doing those, he was simply trying to find comfort in simple things and make a point about living and knowing you're dying.

It wasn't as though he was running errands on his bike, or acquiring items at the record store that he didn't already have/have access to.

oliviacamron said:

StopIt said:

For those of you with personal experience watching someone with a terminal illness languish over a period of time, there comes a point where that person (and everyone around them) pray for it to happen sooner rather than later.

The lights would not have gone out in his eyes and demeanor as they did unless it were terminal. Obviously.

Stop with the b.s. pain pill addiction narrative, his body literally shut down piece by piece before your eyes.

Wasnt he just record shopping and riding his bike before he died?

jokocur said:

it would have been tough for him to face the public if he admitted he had an issue with drugs because his public persona was one in which he had command of everything

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That's what hit me in April. He wasn't in control. Still shocking to me.

rogifan said:

This has hit me hard too. But I have this feeling which is hard to explain. I'd be more at peace knowing he had an undisclosed illness (assuming that's what this was) than he just got hooked on painkillers for whatever reason. I wonder if the family will ever really share more or if this is it.

Exactly how I feel. I really think it would have been easier for his fans to handle if he died from a natural cause, instead of by drug usage. Especially since he was so well known for being drug and alcohol free.

Rev said:

jokocur said:

it would have been tough for him to face the public if he admitted he had an issue with drugs because his public persona was one in which he had command of everything

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That's what hit me in April. He wasn't in control. Still shocking to me.

Right on!

Dr S was the local doctor who he was seeing on an outpatient basis for pain med withdrawal. We know Dr. S wrote other non-controlled Rxs for him and ran test. Dr K runs a rehab/alternatives to pain managment center in California. So Doctor K would have been the second Dr. being brought in for help.

purplerabbithole said:

Dr. S is the local doctor or pain specialist from LA? Because I thought the pain specialist was called after the first OD or at least recently.

Its all so confusing. But it still doesn't mean I am convinced that P had an hidden illness. It would make some sense, sure, but so would a drug addiction that was hidden but firmly in place.

laurarichardson said:

"but perhaps the first overdose scared and shamed him just enough that he was willing to see the pain specialist." He was already seeing doctor S before the overdose and we still don't know if he actually had an overdose on that plane. Norcon is given to people who are just unresponsive.

purplerabbithole said:

I said its possible he had mixed feelings. maybe, two years ago, he didn't care about what the pills would do to him.. (when he wrote Way Back HOme) but perhaps the first overdose scared and shamed him just enough that he was willing to see the pain specialist. It might have taken some convincing by those around him who were finally seeing the light about his hidden addiction. too little too late maybe. His family might have thought he was a lost cause but wanted to try to help him anyway after the initial overdose.

I am actually not convinced that the family would think that keeping an illness secret would respect his privacy. Even from a cynical point of view, wouldn't they want to protect their "brand" by making sure P was not labeled as just some "junkie"? I also don't understand why seeing a specialist for pain and drug issues would be important to P if he knew he was dying. (Another theory--the first overdose scared him so he considered getting help for the first time but he discovered that his liver was shot, so P thought "Forget it. I will just go back to the pain pills". He did and unfortunately took a bad batch.

The hidden disease theory doesn't totally convince me (unless it was his liver due to drug usage). I think P was in physical pain (understandably) due to the strain his body had taken (and not just his hips but probably also his back, knees, arms, ankles, joints, hands, etc) but didn't want to slow down entirely. I vaguely remember him implying that he wasn't going to play guitar anymore. It reminded me of Eric Clapton who is struggling to play guitar now due to arthritis.

Up to about a year before he died, he seemed really agile on stage. This agility (in my opinion) proves that pain pills had to have been involved probably since 2009 (when his hips supposedly started bothering him) . I don't hold any of this against P. I sympathize and would never label him as a a junkie for taking medication to function at his job and alleviate pain. If he was addicted to anything psychologically (not neurologically speaking) it was working and music. This is perhaps the tragedy of his life really--that he never allowed himself "me" time away from music. Music is certainly a double-edged sword. That is how I see it. Maybe Tyka's inconsistent statements are indicative of her mixed feelings about Prince's gift (music being as much a gift as it is a burden).

laurarichardson said:

"long-term health (kicking an addiction) " He was seeing Dr. S for withdrawal problems on an outpatient basis so he did care. He was not going about it in the right manner but I think he knew he had a limited amount of time to get things in order and being in a rehab would not have allowed him to tie up loose ends.

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You bring up an interesting point about RA or some type of arthritis. I've been looking at the recent pics of his hands & looks kinda painful. No surprise, I'm younger and my hands bother me. & he played all the time! It's very sad, but he was probably in a lot of pain all over due to all the performing that he loved. Takes a hard toll.

Dibblekins said:

2014...Just as a few of us had been saying in the (again) disappeared Fentanyl thread...

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Prince himself said he was an 'open book' - he TOLD us ALL in his own way that he was leaving - read his lyrics on AOA.

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LOOK at what he said and did in 2014, at his last ever gig in Amsterdam:
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2.01.50 onwards...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iTNDwVll1k

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The man KNEW - and he wanted US to know too.


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i seea man dqancing and singing like he always could....no sickness or sadness

Tyka saying that Prince had completed his mission just doesn't mesh with what Van Jones said. In his very tearful interview right after Prince's death he said Prince had so many things that he wanted to do still. He mentioned his charities and a children's book. He also stressed that Prince was so much more than his music. I realize Tyka is Prince's sister and Van Jones isn't blood related but you certainly didn't get a sense from him that Prince was done. If you haven't seen the interview you could find it on a search. I think it was on CNN since that is network he is affiliated with. Don't know what to think.