CAL3 said:

databank said:

They're Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan or Paul McCartney fans who don't know a thing about Black music

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wow... what an assessment. Nothing like good ol' fashioned, race-based stereotyping. Way to add to the discussion!

Im no Bruce, Bob or Paul fan in any big way or anything, but to claim that P's 90's black shit is better than their shit, well....... thats just

And as for the OP...... it probably says more about your age rather than your open mindedness.

callimnate said:

CAL3 said:

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wow... what an assessment. Nothing like good ol' fashioned, race-based stereotyping. Way to add to the discussion!

Im no Bruce, Bob or Paul fan in any big way or anything, but to claim that P's 90's black shit is better than their shit, well....... thats just

And as for the OP...... it probably says more about your age rather than your open mindedness.

it's interesting, i was just reading about Bruce Springsteens band after he fired the E Street Band, fans called it deridingly, "the other band" and it was mainly black. Dave Marsh wonders if that's why the fans didn't like the new band. I don''t think that's why really, I think the reason was that they were just too slick to my ears, they were all LA pros and that has it's own downside, no grit. Also, I guess it was Bruce that Prince was referring to when he spoke of another artist asking to use his band in the early 90's, Prince said it would be like asking to be with his woman. I do think Prince went back to black music after Purple Rain even though some people said that he was just then abandoning his black fans, it wasn't true, he was getting experimental yes, but he was also getting more traditional r&b in many ways, particularly by the time of the Parade live shows.

Although I am an enthusiast for the 80s Prince, there sure is a lot to like about his 90s output. I would not just limit this to the early 90s. Emancipation had a lot of very good songs on it, and I am surprised about how much contempt there is for Rave and NPS. No, they aren't masterpieces but Rave has some of his most heartfelt loves songs and NPS showcases his funky side!

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SoftSkarlettLovisa said:

anangellooksdown said:

SoftSkarlettLovisa said:

I was introduced to Prince's 90s work, namely the "Diamonds and Pearls" and "LoveSymbol" album, then researched into his earlier work.

I always visualise a 1991-era Prince (how he looked and dressed in the "D&P" video) rather than a 1984 era Prince, which is his most famous era.

So yeah, considering his 90s music wasn't as up-there with his 80s work, I do enjoy listening to albums like "Come", "Emancipation" and "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic".

I don't know if I have bad music taste without realising it, or I just have a tendency toward 90s music in general?

I think his 90s work was incredible. I guess the mainstream just wasn't interested because we were into other things...either classic rock again or pop or whatever...his work with the early NPG and Mayte was excellent and his vocals and guitar work were terrific. Dancing too...both him AND Mayte. She's always been his best dancer. A lot of it was a bit overly-sexed up for me and there was some craziness - but that was all part of his growth. as he said later, his fans deserve credit for having stuck with him for so long. It is strange sometimes though, he WAS so different during the PR years. Almost more mature then or something. He was hungrier, I think. And then he became hungry again later and gave us music in the early 2000s that was reflective of his changing again. The Prince I think of the most today though was the most recent Prince. It depresses me to keep my head in the past. Once in a while though I do watch or listen to something from the 90s, because it was so good.

both grunge and hip hop/gangsta rap pretty much killed off rock and roll as we knew it. Prince was only one artist who struggled to stay relevant, Bruce Springsteen had a double album flop in the early 90's and suddenly bands like guns and roses were seen as obsolete. One of the most tragic forgotten artists was terence trent d'arby, symphony or damn was the last great concept album, just completely out of place in the new musical landscape but a stunning work in every way. nothing less than tragic how forgotten it is, I can't even say underrated, it's totally forgotten, you will not see it placing on anyone's "greatest" lists anytime soon.

I am a BIG fan of P's 90s material...D&P was actually the first of his albums I purchased (aged 19), although I was very familiar with his earlier material too and loved it.
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Of course, I subsequently went back and added to my collection...It just so happened that it was D&P that started it!

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CAL3 said:

databank said:

They're Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan or Paul McCartney fans who don't know a thing about Black music

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wow... what an assessment. Nothing like good ol' fashioned, race-based stereotyping. Way to add to the discussion!

Exactly, nothing like close minded people

Honestly, there's some folks that are totally clueless to Black Music even when they claim to be Prince fans/fams.

PeteSilas said:

callimnate said:

Im no Bruce, Bob or Paul fan in any big way or anything, but to claim that P's 90's black shit is better than their shit, well....... thats just

And as for the OP...... it probably says more about your age rather than your open mindedness.

it's interesting, i was just reading about Bruce Springsteens band after he fired the E Street Band, fans called it deridingly, "the other band" and it was mainly black. Dave Marsh wonders if that's why the fans didn't like the new band. I don''t think that's why really, I think the reason was that they were just too slick to my ears, they were all LA pros and that has it's own downside, no grit. Also, I guess it was Bruce that Prince was referring to when he spoke of another artist asking to use his band in the early 90's, Prince said it would be like asking to be with his woman. I do think Prince went back to black music after Purple Rain even though some people said that he was just then abandoning his black fans, it wasn't true, he was getting experimental yes, but he was also getting more traditional r&b in many ways, particularly by the time of the Parade live shows.

If you want to be technical Prince's music has always been Black music or to be PC has roots of R&B.

AbstractPoetic91 said:

Honestly, there's some folks that are totally clueless to Black Music even when they claim to be Prince fans/fams.

that's right.

AbstractPoetic91 said:

PeteSilas said:

it's interesting, i was just reading about Bruce Springsteens band after he fired the E Street Band, fans called it deridingly, "the other band" and it was mainly black. Dave Marsh wonders if that's why the fans didn't like the new band. I don''t think that's why really, I think the reason was that they were just too slick to my ears, they were all LA pros and that has it's own downside, no grit. Also, I guess it was Bruce that Prince was referring to when he spoke of another artist asking to use his band in the early 90's, Prince said it would be like asking to be with his woman. I do think Prince went back to black music after Purple Rain even though some people said that he was just then abandoning his black fans, it wasn't true, he was getting experimental yes, but he was also getting more traditional r&b in many ways, particularly by the time of the Parade live shows.

If you want to be technical Prince's music has always been Black music or to be PC has roots of R&B.

indeed but he had a lot of other things going on, he was also aggressively going for the crossover until purple rain did the trick. Dirty Mind, Controversy and 1999 all have elements of Punk, old fashioned Rock and Roll as well as Rand b. His music for the time was much blacker and to me, i always liked the times' first album way more than dirty mind, but P knew he'd get nowhere with that music. Anyway, there is no way to please everyone, people were talking about Prince being too white since way before purple rain, then, after Purple Rain, lots of fans (and Wendy) didn't like the retro-soul aspect of some of the new music, wendy called it an r and b revue or something. Fact is, he was doing all kinds of different shit, his fans either kept up or they quit listening.SOTT had some of his most soulful stuff as well as his wierdest and most experimental, and some psychedelia.

AbstractPoetic91 said:

PeteSilas said:

it's interesting, i was just reading about Bruce Springsteens band after he fired the E Street Band, fans called it deridingly, "the other band" and it was mainly black. Dave Marsh wonders if that's why the fans didn't like the new band. I don''t think that's why really, I think the reason was that they were just too slick to my ears, they were all LA pros and that has it's own downside, no grit. Also, I guess it was Bruce that Prince was referring to when he spoke of another artist asking to use his band in the early 90's, Prince said it would be like asking to be with his woman. I do think Prince went back to black music after Purple Rain even though some people said that he was just then abandoning his black fans, it wasn't true, he was getting experimental yes, but he was also getting more traditional r&b in many ways, particularly by the time of the Parade live shows.

If you want to be technical Prince's music has always been Black music or to be PC has roots of R&B.

Aside from For You and Prince, I would never classify P's 80's Work as R&B.
Black funk, combined with Pop, Rock, Punk, Alternative and even Hillbilly at times, but never R&B.

It wasn't till Emancipation that he hit his R&B roots.
And it all went downhill from there.

AbstractPoetic91 said:

Honestly, there's some folks that are totally clueless to Black Music even when they claim to be Prince fans/fams.

Yeah, especially Kanye

callimnate said:

Ingela said:

Where did this bizarre idea that his 90's work is any more black than his 80's work? I don't think anyone ever confused the music of 1999, Controversy, The Time, or whatever with The Beach Boys or Paul Simon. I don't know where this bonkers half baked idea came from, but it's batshit crazy. My complaint about his 90's music is that to my ears it's cornball, lacks the passion and urgency of the music he was creating in his younger days. I always attributed that to the fact that he WAS older, and not anything else. That he was pandering to what he thought "kids" wanted. An artist out of touch. And he was certainly out of touch in the 90's. Music wise. And I believe probably mentally too. [Edited 10/8/16 20:40pm]

prince was thought to be a major fan of 60's pop radio by the rock critics who reviewed his earlier albums. they compared 1999 to the mama's and papa's monday monday, for example. then of course, p's fanaticism with thouroughly white joni mitchell.

It makes you a normal and average Prince fan.

anangellooksdown said:

SoftSkarlettLovisa said:

I was introduced to Prince's 90s work, namely the "Diamonds and Pearls" and "LoveSymbol" album, then researched into his earlier work.

I always visualise a 1991-era Prince (how he looked and dressed in the "D&P" video) rather than a 1984 era Prince, which is his most famous era.

So yeah, considering his 90s music wasn't as up-there with his 80s work, I do enjoy listening to albums like "Come", "Emancipation" and "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic".

I don't know if I have bad music taste without realising it, or I just have a tendency toward 90s music in general?

I think his 90s work was incredible. I guess the mainstream just wasn't interested because we were into other things...either classic rock again or pop or whatever...his work with the early NPG and Mayte was excellent and his vocals and guitar work were terrific. Dancing too...both him AND Mayte. She's always been his best dancer. A lot of it was a bit overly-sexed up for me and there was some craziness - but that was all part of his growth. as he said later, his fans deserve credit for having stuck with him for so long. It is strange sometimes though, he WAS so different during the PR years. Almost more mature then or something. He was hungrier, I think. And then he became hungry again later and gave us music in the early 2000s that was reflective of his changing again. The Prince I think of the most today though was the most recent Prince. It depresses me to keep my head in the past. Once in a while though I do watch or listen to something from the 90s, because it was so good.

I agree and she(mayte) added good vocals to songs like the Pope too.

[Edited 10/9/16 14:58pm]

tomcooper2323 said:

PeteSilas said:

Ingela said:

I "think" I like the 90's when he was pissed off better than the 90's when he was happy.

I like Prince when he is edgy.

Not to discredit any of the work. There is a lot to like in the 90's.

I don't understand why some Prince fans have problems with him doing RB or any music that perceived music where that sound had been in his albums since day one including his crossover hits from the funk guitar solos to the organ sounding influence of black church in the intro of Lets Go Crazy. It is like some of fans forgetting that he was black. That is like having problem with the likes of Sheryl Crow or KD Lang or Melissa Elridge and Patti Labelle speaking out against sexism and for women liberation. If you are going to follow a woman or minority artist dont be suprised if they talk about issues that affect their gender, race or sexuality.

because, fans think they own their favorite artist. a headbanger who might have liked Purple Rain wouldn't have been comfortable with his funkier stuff. I think it was Craig Rice or Benny Medina who said that when people are your fans, they think they should have some control over you. It's true, everyone wants you their very own way and if you drift away from their image of you they get dissapointed. Prince, however, did go for the crossover, he also mixed his band for that same reason so when Matt Fink said wendy didn't like it when Prince hung out with his 'black buddies" it's just a thing of control and influence more than racism I think. I don't doubt that Prince displayed his black influences more upfront after Purple Rain than he did before. Although, I don't think anyone can really make the case that his albums weren't influenced by R&B in one way or the other before that.

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