teach49 said:

phatphuk said:

teach49 said:

"...When my dad called me when my mom passed away after an 11-year illness, he simply said “it's over” when I answered the phone. I knew exactly what he meant. (And we had been told she would live for at least a few months longer...but I knew.)..."

"...Very interesting!...

...You have a real life experience in your past personal history that parallels your “Prince was definitely terminally ill” interpretation...

...While I have a real life experience in my past personal history that parallels my “Prince died of a Fentanyl overdose. Period. And in the absence of any scientically verifiable evidence of any other illness, then there was none” interpretation...

...It's fascinating how that works. Ain't it?..."

"...Actually, you are incorrect. I have not been a proponent of the “Prince was definitely terminally ill” theory. I never took that line of thinking too seriously (until Tyka's comments, which are consistent with some kind of serious illness, but addiction can be that illness). My argument was nuanced, rather than black and white. I am saying that you are focusing on what Prince told Tyka and that what he told her doesn't mean he had a terminal illness. But others do not think he had an illness because of what he told her, but because of her reaction....being crushed (her words) with grief for two years...

...My personal example was an analogy that illustrates how a different interpretation of Tyka's statements is reasonable, even likely. It is simply not reasonable to begin to grieve someone's impending death just because they tell you they have fulfilled their purpose in life. I would call that hysteria, actually, if I told someone I had fulfilled the purpose I felt God had for me, and they were crushed because they thought I was going to die...

...And, last, you do not know that he did not have an illness. We have the ME's report, not the full autopsy. Just because you are not in possession of the scientific evidence, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, especially in a case like this where we know, for a fact, we do not have the full report that would include any illnesses. Hell, we don't even know what the tests results were that Dr. S. was delivering to P on that day...

...I'm not saying there was an illness or that it killed him. However, an overdose can be the cause of death on that day without an even serious illness being a contributing factor...on that day. ..."

I did indeed quote that one thing Prince said. Because the steakfinger post that I was replying to, referred to it.

But it's the entire context that should be borne in mind. Not just a particular quote. The context being, "How should Prince's sister's cryptic 'two year' comment be interpreted?".

My opinion is based on all of the quotes — {from both Prince and the sister} — in the articles I've have linked to and the posts I've read.

I discussed that one quote you're referring to because it is simpler to discuss a single representative quote than to have the discussion skipping around all over the shop.

teach49 said:

"...But others do not think he had an illness because of what he told her, but because of her reaction....being crushed (her words) with grief for two years..."

Did the sister actually say, "I was crushed with grief"?...

By Jayme Deerwester , USA TODAY 3:30 p.m. EDT October 6, 2016

"...“I have been preparing for two years, so I knew that it was coming”...

...Though her choice of words may suggest that Nelson was aware of her brother's use of prescription painkillers, drugs never explicitly came up in the interview...

...Instead, her explanation for why she was prepared for his death was that Prince himself seemed to sense the end was near...

...“He said it a couple of years ago: 'I've done everything that I've come to do,' I was crushed for about two years”..."

If we accept the above article as a legitimate, direct quote, then the sister did not actually say "I was crushed with grief".

Why couldn't she have meant she was "crushed with empathy" that he was suffering from unbearable, never-ending pain and the only relief he could get was from super strength pain meds?

Why couldn't she have meant she was "crushed with fear" because they both knew pain meds he was addicted to would ultimately be the death of him?

Why couldn't she have meant she was "crushed with disappointment" because he was the last person that she would have thought would allow himself to become dependent on illegally-procurred pain meds?

Why couldn't she have been "crushed with sadness" that he'd lost his muse and since music was his whole world, having lost his muse, she knew that he'd lost the will to live?

As another poster very eloquently suggested, the cryptic nature of the sister's comment lends itself to being open to as many interpretations as there are individual human beings on the planet. Sort of like one of those Rorschach Tests.

I'm not begrudging anybody their wanting to inject the word "grief" into the sister's mouth. That's their prerogative.

But the fact still remains. She did not say she was crushed with grief — to the best of my knowledge.

All's I'm saying is I interpret the sister's cryptic riddle according to my own past personal experience and logical thinking. But at the same time, I'm open-minded. She might very well have actually meant she was crushed with grief. How do I know what she actually meant?

teach49 said:

I don't think it's what he said that has people wondering. It's that she's been grieving his passing for nearly two years. She said that, too. She said she's been crushed for two years. How are you crushed by a comment someone makes that they've accomplished everything they set out to accomplish (or that they felt God wanted them to accomplish)? Does that make you grieve their death so much that you aren't surprised when they die?

No. She worded it the way you do when someone has been sick -- officially terminal or just sick enough to die. That's when you're not shocked. That's when no more is needed than "he's gone." When my dad called me when my mom passed away after an 11-year illness, he simply said "it's over" when I answered the phone. I knew exactly what he meant. (And we had been told she would live for at least a few months longer...but I knew.)

phatphuk said:

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Tyka's comment of being crushed for about two years implies a reaction to something that had an impact on her. It can be open to many interpretations, and that's probably why it was stated. It could mean he was ill and she was crushed with grief, it could mean he had no more music in him and she was crushed with sadness, it could mean he could no longer function up to his standards because of his addiction to painkillers and she was crushed with worry because she was an addict herself and understood the implications, it could mean a lot of things. That's why i think she should have said nothing, cause it sure did not add anything of substance to this whole mess, on the contrary.

MMJas said:

teach49 said:

I don't think it's what he said that has people wondering. It's that she's been grieving his passing for nearly two years. She said that, too. She said she's been crushed for two years. How are you crushed by a comment someone makes that they've accomplished everything they set out to accomplish (or that they felt God wanted them to accomplish)? Does that make you grieve their death so much that you aren't surprised when they die?

No. She worded it the way you do when someone has been sick -- officially terminal or just sick enough to die. That's when you're not shocked. That's when no more is needed than "he's gone." When my dad called me when my mom passed away after an 11-year illness, he simply said "it's over" when I answered the phone. I knew exactly what he meant. (And we had been told she would live for at least a few months longer...but I knew.)

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Tyka's comment of being crushed for about two years implies a reaction to something that had an impact on her. It can be open to many interpretations, and that's probably why it was stated. It could mean he was ill and she was crushed with grief, it could mean he had no more music in him and she was crushed with sadness, it could mean he could no longer function up to his standards because of his addiction to painkillers and she was crushed with worry because she was an addict herself and understood the implications, it could mean a lot of things. That's why i think she should have said nothing, cause it sure did not add anything of substance to this whole mess, on the contrary.

It cannot mean too many things as she also stated that when Prince died she was prepared for it and she knew it was coming. She said when she got the call saying only two words: "he's gone" she knew what it meant as she knew this was coming.

MMJas said:

teach49 said:

I don't think it's what he said that has people wondering. It's that she's been grieving his passing for nearly two years. She said that, too. She said she's been crushed for two years. How are you crushed by a comment someone makes that they've accomplished everything they set out to accomplish (or that they felt God wanted them to accomplish)? Does that make you grieve their death so much that you aren't surprised when they die?

No. She worded it the way you do when someone has been sick -- officially terminal or just sick enough to die. That's when you're not shocked. That's when no more is needed than "he's gone." When my dad called me when my mom passed away after an 11-year illness, he simply said "it's over" when I answered the phone. I knew exactly what he meant. (And we had been told she would live for at least a few months longer...but I knew.)

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[Edited 10/6/16 18:39pm]

Tyka's comment of being crushed for about two years implies a reaction to something that had an impact on her. It can be open to many interpretations, and that's probably why it was stated. It could mean he was ill and she was crushed with grief, it could mean he had no more music in him and she was crushed with sadness, it could mean he could no longer function up to his standards because of his addiction to painkillers and she was crushed with worry because she was an addict herself and understood the implications, it could mean a lot of things. That's why i think she should have said nothing, cause it sure did not add anything of substance to this whole mess, on the contrary.

Well, I agree that if she wasn't going to say everything, it might have been better to say nothing. It's just vague enough for people to debate.

She was, however, talking about where she was in her grief process when she said she was crushed. She said she was not surprised by his death because she knew for 2 years. She said that she'd been crushed since she knew almost 2 years ago and she said that she knew others were hurting and that in almost two years they would be where she was. She was explaining where she was in the grief process. Now, did she say the words "crushed with grief"? No, she said she's been crushed since she found out two years ago which is why she was not surprised when he died. That's grief, not empathy or something else (although I'm sure many emotions were wrapped up in it as well).

And I'm open-minded enough to know that her comment may have been referring to Prince's struggles with addiction. One thing, though, when she said she was crushed, she was referring to her grief process. She said that she's two years away from knowing, unlike others who have been dealing this since 4/21. It is in that context that she used the word "crushed." So, the inference is that "crushed" is referring to grief. She said in almost two years, others would be where she is. I'm sure she was feeling many emotions for those two years, but she was talking about how she and others were dealing with his death. In that context, she doesn't need to say crushed "with grief" because grief was the topic in the conversation.

My point is that one interpretation is not more logical than another. I don't see her comments as confirmation of an illness, but pointing to a suggestion that more quite likely was going on. Of course, you can grieve because you know that a loved one will die soon from addiction, but you word it a bit differently (I know...I've been there, too). And, of course, she's Prince's sister. It's appropriately cryptic in a Prince-y way.

phatphuk said:

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But the fact still remains. She did not say she was crushed with grief — to the best of my knowledge.

All's I'm saying is I interpret the sister's cryptic riddle according to my own past personal experience and logical thinking. But at the same time, I'm open-minded. She might very well have actually meant she was crushed with grief. How do I know what she actually meant?

teach49 said:

And I'm open-minded enough to know that her comment may have been referring to Prince's struggles with addiction. One thing, though, when she said she was crushed, she was referring to her grief process. She said that she's two years away from knowing, unlike others who have been dealing this since 4/21. It is in that context that she used the word "crushed." So, the inference is that "crushed" is referring to grief. She said in almost two years, others would be where she is. I'm sure she was feeling many emotions for those two years, but she was talking about how she and others were dealing with his death. In that context, she doesn't need to say crushed "with grief" because grief was the topic in the conversation.

My point is that one interpretation is not more logical than another. I don't see her comments as confirmation of an illness, but pointing to a suggestion that more quite likely was going on. Of course, you can grieve because you know that a loved one will die soon from addiction, but you word it a bit differently (I know...I've been there, too). And, of course, she's Prince's sister. It's appropriately cryptic in a Prince-y way.

phatphuk said:

That is why most people are assuming she's referring to a possible illness. You do not sit and wait for your brother to die of pill addiction, you try and do something about it. Especially if that same brother helped you with an addiction. Two years is a mighty long time...

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Based on Tyka's comments it could be drug addiction, terminal illness or suicide.

Whatever, I'm going with Prince is still alive until proven otherwise. Nothing wrong with being hopeful.

teach49 said:

And I'm open-minded enough to know that her comment may have been referring to Prince's struggles with addiction. One thing, though, when she said she was crushed, she was referring to her grief process. She said that she's two years away from knowing, unlike others who have been dealing this since 4/21. It is in that context that she used the word "crushed." So, the inference is that "crushed" is referring to grief. She said in almost two years, others would be where she is. I'm sure she was feeling many emotions for those two years, but she was talking about how she and others were dealing with his death. In that context, she doesn't need to say crushed "with grief" because grief was the topic in the conversation.

My point is that one interpretation is not more logical than another. I don't see her comments as confirmation of an illness, but pointing to a suggestion that more quite likely was going on. Of course, you can grieve because you know that a loved one will die soon from addiction, but you word it a bit differently (I know...I've been there, too). And, of course, she's Prince's sister. It's appropriately cryptic in a Prince-y way.

phatphuk said:

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Perhaps Tyka was referring to Prince's "chronic pain", which was progressively getting worse and she had to "mentally" prepare herself for the worst.

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I just breaks my heart to think that Prince was in so much pain -- he probably just couldn't take it anymore. If only someone could have been there for him, before it was too late.

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On a personal note; I don't believe that Prince was ready to leave us.

MMJas said:

teach49 said:

And I'm open-minded enough to know that her comment may have been referring to Prince's struggles with addiction. One thing, though, when she said she was crushed, she was referring to her grief process. She said that she's two years away from knowing, unlike others who have been dealing this since 4/21. It is in that context that she used the word "crushed." So, the inference is that "crushed" is referring to grief. She said in almost two years, others would be where she is. I'm sure she was feeling many emotions for those two years, but she was talking about how she and others were dealing with his death. In that context, she doesn't need to say crushed "with grief" because grief was the topic in the conversation.

My point is that one interpretation is not more logical than another. I don't see her comments as confirmation of an illness, but pointing to a suggestion that more quite likely was going on. Of course, you can grieve because you know that a loved one will die soon from addiction, but you word it a bit differently (I know...I've been there, too). And, of course, she's Prince's sister. It's appropriately cryptic in a Prince-y way.

That is why most people are assuming she's referring to a possible illness. You do not sit and wait for your brother to die of pill addiction, you try and do something about it. Especially if that same brother helped you with an addiction. Two years is a mighty long time...

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Exactly, he was seeing Dr. S for pain med withdrawals at no point has this information been hidden. He was trying to get help and the pills he thought he was taking would not have been that strong if they were the hydro because the pills were no longer being manufacted and would have expired in Fall 2015.

I think he was trying to come off of the pills cold turkey and was having a hard time. I don't think this means he did not have other problems. These pills can really do damage to the body.

teach49 said:

"...And I'm open-minded enough to know that her comment may have been referring to Prince's struggles with addiction. One thing, though, when she said she was crushed, she was referring to her grief process. She said that she's two years away from knowing, unlike others who have been dealing this since 4/21. It is in that context that she used the word “crushed.” So, the inference is that “crushed” is referring to grief. She said in almost two years, others would be where she is. I'm sure she was feeling many emotions for those two years, but she was talking about how she and others were dealing with his death. In that context, she doesn't need to say crushed “with grief” because grief was the topic in the conversation...

...My point is that one interpretation is not more logical than another. I don't see her comments as confirmation of an illness, but pointing to a suggestion that more quite likely was going on. Of course, you can grieve because you know that a loved one will die soon from addiction, but you word it a bit differently (I know...I've been there, too). And, of course, she's Prince's sister. It's appropriately cryptic in a Prince-y way. ..."

phatphuk said:

"...But the fact still remains. She did not say she was crushed with grief — to the best of my knowledge...

...All's I'm saying is I interpret the sister's cryptic riddle according to my own past personal experience and logical thinking. But at the same time, I'm open-minded. She might very well have actually meant she was crushed with grief. How do I know what she actually meant?..."

Thank you for your reply, teach49.

My interpretation takes into consideration the entire context of the issue. That entire context being the one fact that nobody can deny: Prince died from an overdose of pain meds.

With that indisputable fact as the context, I interpret the sister's expressing that she was not surprised by Prince's death, to mean that she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds.

Therfore, if she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds, then the implications of that {in my interpretation} are...

1. She knew for two years that he was suffering from debilitating pain
   
   
2. She knew for two years that he was self-medicating with dangerously powerful opioids
   
   
3. She knew for two years that the opioids he was taking to treat his pain was not being properly administered and not legally prescribed by a licensed doctor
   
   
4. She knew for two years that if doctors were refusing to write him a prescription for opioids, that was more than likely because the doctors knew he'd become addicted
   
   
5. She knew for two years that if he wasn't legally prescribed the opioids from doctors, then she knew that he was more than likely getting them on the blackmarket
   
   
6. She knew for two years that if he was procurring powerful heroine-like opioids through the blackmarket, that there were bound to be fatal risks involved
   
   
7. She knew for two years he was rolling the dice with every counterfeit pill he took, so one day two years ago she asked him, "What the fuck are you doin' taking this deadly shit, Big Bro!?!?! That shit can kill you!"
   
   
8. She knew for two years that Prince's reply to her admonishing him for doing something so risky, was, "I'm not afraid of dying, little Sis. I've done everything I've come here to do. So If I roll snake eyes one day from accidentally taking a sketchy counterfeit pill, then I'm willing to take that risk in order to not be in such excruciating pain."
   
   
9. She knew for two years that Prince resigned himself to his own eventual mortality, in much the same way that Jimi expressed when he sang, "I'm the one that's gotta die when it's time for me to die..."
   
   
10. She knew that two years full of desperate entreaties to Prince for him to "Get Help!", were falling on deaf ears
    
    
11. ...

So putting the sister's "I've known for two years" interview comments into the entire context of the one thing that nobody can dispute — {Prince died from an overdose of pain meds} — then it makes sense {to me anyway} that the sister was not surprised on the day Prince died.

Considering the sister's interview comments within the entire context — plus with Prince rolling the dice on the things listed above — then it makes sense that the sister would expect that Prince would eventually roll snake eyes sooner or later.

Would blood transfusion and hip replacement had helped???

Love that room with the Bass Amp and Bass on the stand, look like it was right next to Studio A!!!! I can just imagine what it be with P on that Bass!!!!

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I understand the entire context and your interpretation is a valid one. All I'm saying is that a different viewpoint is just as valid. That's it. I am not disputing that he died from a fentanyl overdose. I am saying that her comments can be interpreted to mean that more was going on. She was clear that this has been going on for two years -- I think we can agree on that. As someone who has family members who are addicts -- two years is not long enough to be resigned to the loved one's death due to addiction. You have not lost hope in just two years. It takes much longer to realize -- even with serious drug overdoses -- that death is inevitable. Possible, yes; inevitable, no. It is not the same if there were more health issues going on.

Listen, I'm not trying to get you to agree with me. You made a comment that was poking a little fun at people who interpreted her comments differently from you, and I pointed out that their view was not so farfetched based on her comments. It's quite possible that the illness was due to the pain meds because they can make you quite sick even if you're not addicted. I don't know what it was. I'm just saying that other opinions are just as valid as yours.

I will admit that I cannot see any evidence that he was murdered intentionally, a theory among some. I don't like to judge but I just don't see it.

Oh, do we know for a fact that doctors refused to give him pain meds for two years? We know that there was no prescription in the last year in MN, but this is the first I've heard of confirmation he was refused prescribed pain meds for two years.

phatphuk said:

teach49 said:

"...And I'm open-minded enough to know that her comment may have been referring to Prince's struggles with addiction. One thing, though, when she said she was crushed, she was referring to her grief process. She said that she's two years away from knowing, unlike others who have been dealing this since 4/21. It is in that context that she used the word “crushed.” So, the inference is that “crushed” is referring to grief. She said in almost two years, others would be where she is. I'm sure she was feeling many emotions for those two years, but she was talking about how she and others were dealing with his death. In that context, she doesn't need to say crushed “with grief” because grief was the topic in the conversation...

...My point is that one interpretation is not more logical than another. I don't see her comments as confirmation of an illness, but pointing to a suggestion that more quite likely was going on. Of course, you can grieve because you know that a loved one will die soon from addiction, but you word it a bit differently (I know...I've been there, too). And, of course, she's Prince's sister. It's appropriately cryptic in a Prince-y way. ..."

Thank you for your reply, teach49.

My interpretation takes into consideration the entire context of the issue. That entire context being the one fact that nobody can deny: Prince died from an overdose of pain meds.

With that indisputable fact as the context, I interpret the sister's expressing that she was not surprised by Prince's death, to mean that she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds.

Therfore, if she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds, then the implications of that {in my interpretation} are...

1. She knew for two years that he was suffering from debilitating pain
   
   
2. She knew for two years that he was self-medicating with dangerously powerful opioids
   
   
3. She knew for two years that the opioids he was taking to treat his pain was not being properly administered and not legally prescribed by a licensed doctor
   
   
4. She knew for two years that if doctors were refusing to write him a prescription for opioids, that was more than likely because the doctors knew he'd become addicted
   
   
5. She knew for two years that if he wasn't legally prescribed the opioids from doctors, then she knew that he was more than likely getting them on the blackmarket
   
   
6. She knew for two years that if he was procurring powerful heroine-like opioids through the blackmarket, that there were bound to be fatal risks involved
   
   
7. She knew for two years he was rolling the dice with every counterfeit pill he took, so one day two years ago she asked him, "What the fuck are you doin' taking this deadly shit, Big Bro!?!?! That shit can kill you!"
   
   
8. She knew for two years that Prince's reply to her admonishing him for doing something so risky, was, "I'm not afraid of dying, little Sis. I've done everything I've come here to do. So If I roll snake eyes one day from accidentally taking a sketchy counterfeit pill, then I'm willing to take that risk in order to not be in such excruciating pain."
   
   
9. She knew for two years that Prince resigned himself to his own eventual mortality, in much the same way that Jimi expressed when he sang, "I'm the one that's gotta die when it's time for me to die..."
   
   
10. She knew that two years full of desperate entreaties to Prince for him to "Get Help!", were falling on deaf ears
    
    
11. ...

So putting the sister's "I've known for two years" interview comments into the entire context of the one thing that nobody can dispute — {Prince died from an overdose of pain meds} — then it makes sense {to me anyway} that the sister was not surprised on the day Prince died.

Considering the sister's interview comments within the entire context — plus with Prince rolling the dice on the things listed above — then it makes sense that the sister would expect that Prince would eventually roll snake eyes sooner or later.

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Tyka acts completely different during this interview, compared to the one with ET. Her comments are quite confusing. I don't know if things were "left out" (edited) or what, but it's just not making sense.

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First she said "I took it the hardest, because I was closest to Prince." Then on ET, she is saying "It wasn't hard at all, because I was preparing for 2-years." WHAT exactly was she preparing for? Is it because she knew his chronic pain was taking a toll on his health and his use of pain pills would eventually "end" his life? Or, did he have a terminal illness? WHAT was it, Tyka? You can't have it BOTH ways!

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The things she is saying is just stirring-up more controversy and causing more confusion is all. We are all grieving his sudden death, and this is only making matters worse! I would rather Tyka and her family & friends not say anything at all, then to give us "half-truths". Prince had way too much going for him to just want to "end it all". SMH

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cloveringold85 said:

Astasheiks said:

Would blood transfusion and hip replacement had helped???

technically (in some form) yes for 1, no for the other... at least from what I've been told.

Skee123 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Tyka acts completely different during this interview, compared to the one with ET. Her comments are quite confusing. I don't know if things were "left out" (edited) or what, but it's just not making sense.

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First she said "I took it the hardest, because I was closest to Prince." Then on ET, she is saying "It wasn't hard at all, because I was preparing for 2-years." WHAT exactly was she preparing for? Is it because she knew his chronic pain was taking a toll on his health and his use of pain pills would eventually "end" his life? Or, did he have a terminal illness? WHAT was it, Tyka? You can't have it BOTH ways!

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The things she is saying is just stirring-up more controversy and causing more confusion is all. We are all grieving his sudden death, and this is only making matters worse! I would rather Tyka and her family & friends not say anything at all, then to give us "half-truths". Prince had way too much going for him to just want to "end it all". SMH

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Thank you cloveringold85 I have been wondering the same thing. I seldom respond on here but it seems you caught this too. 2 totally different responses in 2 different interviews. It certainly baffles me. "✌ and b wild"💜

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Skee: You are most welcome and "hello"!

Aside from her saying what illness he suffered from, it's pretty clear from her statement and Prince's appearace the past two to three years that she knew her brother was terminally ill. That's why she knew he wanted to be cremated immediately and exactly who to invite to his funeral (all which happened two days after his passing) He may have died from a Fentanyl overdose, but there was something other than hip pain going on with Prince. A lot of us have been saying this for months and Tyka's statement, as vague as it is, pretty much confirms that. We'll be having this same conversation again with those wearing blinders within the next few months when she or someone else says exactly what Prince was suffering from whether it be Cancer or AIDS.

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derrick31 said:

Aside from her saying what illness he suffered from, it's pretty clear from her statement and Prince's appearace the past two to three years that she knew her brother was terminally ill. That's why she knew he wanted to be cremated immediately and exactly who to invite to his funeral (all which happened two days after his passing) He may have died from a Fentanyl overdose, but there was something other than hip pain going on with Prince. A lot of us have been saying this for months and Tyka's statement, as vague as it is, pretty much confirms that. We'll be having this same conversation again with those wearing blinders within the next few months when she or someone else says exactly what Prince was sufferering from whether it be Cancer or AIDS.

I agree with everything you said in your comment. I've wondered if he had some type of blood cancer (which btw can cause excrutiating bone pain).

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I don't know if this has ever been brought up in these death threads, but has anyone considered that the reason we keep getting vague statements regarding Prince's death may be due to Prince taking out a life insurance policy & his camp wanting to ensure the insurance company pays out. Any additional info may give the company enough cause to contest dispersing the funds (as they can argue Prince committed suicide) even if his manner of death really was accidental.

Does anyone know if life insurance companies require you to provide them with a full autopsy report or if the summarized version suffices?

Sinnick said:

I don't know if this has ever been brought up in these death threads, but has anyone considered that the reason we keep getting vague statements regarding Prince's death may be due to Prince taking out a life insurance policy & his camp wanting to ensure the insurance company pays out. Any additional info may give the company enough cause to contest dispersing the funds (as they can argue Prince committed suicide) even if his manner of death really was accidental.

Does anyone know if life insurance companies require you to provide them with a full autopsy report or if the summarized version suffices?

Excellent point that I haven't heard anything about. I'm wondering if he even had life insurance-there has not been anything mentioned about it. They would require a full report if they thought suicide was a possible cause. I remember when Heath Ledger passed of an accidental overdose, the life insurance company was relentless in hounding the M.E. and his family when it was pretty clear on the autopsy report what had happened-the combination of legitimately prescribed medications at their recommended doses and pneumonia, resulted in respiratory failure. I haven't heard a peep about life insurance with P. I'm thinking if he didn't have a will, he prob. didn't have life insurance.

Sinnick said:

I don't know if this has ever been brought up in these death threads, but has anyone considered that the reason we keep getting vague statements regarding Prince's death may be due to Prince taking out a life insurance policy & his camp wanting to ensure the insurance company pays out. Any additional info may give the company enough cause to contest dispersing the funds (as they can argue Prince committed suicide) even if his manner of death really was accidental.

Does anyone know if life insurance companies require you to provide them with a full autopsy report or if the summarized version suffices?

Prince is not the type of person to take out life insurance.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Prince is not the type of person to take out life insurance.

Prince gave the impression that he didn't take any drugs, but here we are...

You need to get home & auto insurance when you buy a house & car so he probably had that. Insurance companies usually attempt to get you to purchase life insurance along with the others & make the process relatively painless. In most people eyes, putting together a will is a lot more burdensome than obtaining life insurance. Furthermore, it wouldn't surprise me if some of his contracts with record labels (especially WB) & concert promotion companies required that he be insured. Thus, I can see him having that.

If the cryptic statements aren't an attempt to avoid losing insurance money, then my guess is they're attempting to protect his legacy & estate (they could be concerned about all three). IMO, this would mean Prince really did have AIDS (I still think it was something else) or his drug problem was A LOT worse than his fans think. I can't see how any other logical explanation as to how Prince went from A to Z would mess up a criminal investigation or damage his legacy.

Sinnick said:

I don't know if this has ever been brought up in these death threads, but has anyone considered that the reason we keep getting vague statements regarding Prince's death may be due to Prince taking out a life insurance policy & his camp wanting to ensure the insurance company pays out. Any additional info may give the company enough cause to contest dispersing the funds (as they can argue Prince committed suicide) even if his manner of death really was accidental.

Does anyone know if life insurance companies require you to provide them with a full autopsy report or if the summarized version suffices?

See below this is the reason we are getting vague statements.

There is a crazy man named Rodney Dixion who claims he has power of attorney over all of Prince’s music. Now he has crazy ass documents in his claim most of which is total nonsense however he has pulled some information from the copyright office that explains how Prince made sure his music would not be affected by the Probate process. Please see the Estate 4 topic to see all of the great people who pulled this together.

See the link below. See Exhibit A, B, and E

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

Exhibit A is an 'exclusive songwriter agreement' dated April 2014 in which Prince assigns all copyright to NPG Music ( Prince's own company). As this is around the time Prince announced getting his masters back from WB , this must have been part of the business side of getting this all set up.

Exhibit B is a copyright form (public document) registering all 965 songs to NPG music. Dated Feb 4 2016. so recent! As 965 sounds about right in terms of the total number of songs Prince had registered, this seems to be about him changing the registration from his own name to NPG as the copyright owner, I guess aligning it all to the new agreement with NPG.

Exhibit E is a public document recording that NPG Music Publishing is being set up as an LLC in California, dated march 2014.

It would appear that the LLC owns the songs and I would bet money that Prince’s siblings are the shareholders. This would mean that the songs will not be affected by whatever happens to the estate. I believe he saw the foolishness with his Dad’s estate and found a why to get around the courts and protect his music.

Let’s discuss and think about how he did all this two years ago right around the time he told his sister he was done.

laurarichardson said:

Sinnick said:

I don't know if this has ever been brought up in these death threads, but has anyone considered that the reason we keep getting vague statements regarding Prince's death may be due to Prince taking out a life insurance policy & his camp wanting to ensure the insurance company pays out. Any additional info may give the company enough cause to contest dispersing the funds (as they can argue Prince committed suicide) even if his manner of death really was accidental.

Does anyone know if life insurance companies require you to provide them with a full autopsy report or if the summarized version suffices?

See below this is the reason we are getting vague statements.

There is a crazy man named Rodney Dixion who claims he has power of attorney over all of Prince’s music. Now he has crazy ass documents in his claim most of which is total nonsense however he has pulled some information from the copyright office that explains how Prince made sure his music would not be affected by the Probate process. Please see the Estate 4 topic to see all of the great people who pulled this together.

See the link below. See Exhibit A, B, and E

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

Exhibit A is an 'exclusive songwriter agreement' dated April 2014 in which Prince assigns all copyright to NPG Music ( Prince's own company). As this is around the time Prince announced getting his masters back from WB , this must have been part of the business side of getting this all set up.

Exhibit B is a copyright form (public document) registering all 965 songs to NPG music. Dated Feb 4 2016. so recent! As 965 sounds about right in terms of the total number of songs Prince had registered, this seems to be about him changing the registration from his own name to NPG as the copyright owner, I guess aligning it all to the new agreement with NPG.

Exhibit E is a public document recording that NPG Music Publishing is being set up as an LLC in California, dated march 2014.

Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins is listed as the manager of NPG music publishing, and we know she was credited with working with Prince to help him regain ownership of his masters.

It would appear that the LLC owns the songs and I would bet money that Prince’s siblings are the shareholders. This would mean that the songs will not be affected by whatever happens to the estate. I believe he saw the foolishness with his Dad’s estate and found a why to get around the courts and protect his music.

Let’s discuss and think about how he did all this two years ago right around the time he told his sister he was done.

Yes, that is very interesting. A very interesting coincidence indeed.

AnonymousFan said:

donnyenglish said:

Laura, you've got something there. Maybe, just maybe, he dodged a bullet on the songs with the LLC.

1Sasha said:

Laura, you've got something there. Maybe, just maybe, he dodged a bullet on the songs with the LLC.

This is from Dibblekins. We are missing some information but if he was just an employee/shareholder and others are shareholders the business continues on.

Dibblekins said:

From what I am reading, in Minnesota, the death of an owner, or a 'member' of an LLC - if he / she is just ONE of the owners / shareholders - doesn't affect the running of the company...
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IF Prince had stocks / shares in NPG LLC then THOSE would be distributed according to MN's intestacy laws (because Prince has no will) - but if stocks / shares are owned by others, they continue unaffected and are not considered part of the deceased member's estate.
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Of course, this is assuming one of two things:
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1) There were other owners / members / shareholders;

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2) That Prince had maintained a stake in the company in the first place...Do we know if had done this?