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SquirrelMeat

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The Camille Album just sold for $29,645 What are the implications for Prince memorabilia?


We don't know if this was a one off (highly unlikely), but either way, its a hell of a price for a collectable, especially as it contains little in regard to rare content and may yet see the light of day as a future release. I think its safe to say is been bought for historical value rather than content.

Good luck to the person that got it but I does open a dabate of several levels:



Should the estate be locking these things down or buying them back? Seeing a real Camille album on the Paisley tour would raise a smile with most fans.

Are we going to see more of things like this come out of the woodwork? If Karen was sitting on this and successfully sold it, how long before the ex band members and co-workers break rank?

Will sales like this drastically increase the likelyhood of theft and fraud? Where there is money, there is increased interest. What is security like at The Park?

We've obviously seem a spike in price on most items, but I'd expect it to calm. Or will it? Does dead pop star equal ever increasing prices, or will more people look to cash in physical music as digital makes listening much easier.

Of course, the biggest factor will be the actions of the estate. One off items will always sell, but if rare music catalogue is re-released, then some items will plummet in value (e.g. The re-issue NGGMC CD singles or release of Camille on CD & Vinyl).

Lastly, do you sit on one off items, and if you do, would you ever sell them? (I'm not offering to buy them, I'm just curious! lol ).




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Reply #1 posted 09/15/16 6:33am

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No, the Estate does not need to buy back a copy of the Camille album. It's just an inferior copy of a master tape they most likely already have.

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Reply #2 posted 09/15/16 6:36am

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SquirrelMeat said:


We've obviously seem a spike in price on most items, but I'd expect it to calm. Or will it? Does dead pop star equal ever increasing prices, or will more people look to cash in physical music as digital makes listening much easier.



Yesterday after eight months of waiting I've buyed the "Tin Machine - Oy Vey Live" CD for € 30.00=

more or less (it was the only Bowie CD I missed in my collection).

Shortly after Bowie's death it was priced a something like € 120/150=.

So I think generally it is natural that prices will decrease.

It's ever like this.

Item like the Camille acetate, anyway, are so rare that have a price history apart.

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Reply #3 posted 09/15/16 6:43am

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Of course, the biggest factor will be the actions of the estate. One off items will always sell, but if rare music catalogue is re-released, then some items will plummet in value (e.g. The re-issue NGGMC CD singles or release of Camille on CD & Vinyl).




It would be a smart move.

I would like an approach like the Hendrix Estate, with the difference that P. musical production is so big that we could have a new re-release every 3 months.

I would buy them all, obviously.

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Reply #4 posted 09/15/16 6:47am

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bluegangsta said:

No, the Estate does not need to buy back a copy of the Camille album. It's just an inferior copy of a master tape they most likely already have.


And hopefully The Camille Album will be released as a CD in the future, but the original vinyl will always be historic because its the physical form of one of Prince's significant random decisions, frozen in time.

I would like to see it on display in the vault, along with other unreleased acatates/abandoned prints.

Hopefully Prince kept a box to himself in there already. lol

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Reply #5 posted 09/15/16 6:48am

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No, the Estate does not need to buy back a copy of the Camille album. It's just an inferior copy of a master tape they most likely already have.

The estate doesn't need to buy it from a musical point of view, but I'd agree with the OP that, as an artefact, something like this should be on display in the Paisley Park Museum...Obviously, there's nothing to say that it won't be as, despite it's obvious rarity, i'd be surprised if the copy sold is a total one-off.

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Reply #6 posted 09/15/16 7:34am

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More than one acetate would exist. No one presses just one test pressing.

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Reply #7 posted 09/15/16 7:48am

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Seemingly folks are saying Questlove bought it.
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #8 posted 09/15/16 7:55am

terrig

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Seemingly folks are saying Questlove bought it.



I dont blame him - I would have bid on it if I could play that highend game.

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Reply #9 posted 09/15/16 8:31am

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terrig said:



NinaB said:


Seemingly folks are saying Questlove bought it.



I dont blame him - I would have bid on it if I could play that highend game.


Here's his reply on twitter when asked if he bought it. I took it to mean he already had a copy.


https://twitter.com/quest...5684660224

Questlove Gomez
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No need to, TRUST ME on this one https://twitter.com/rakis...8783358976

3:09 AM - 15 Sep 2016
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Reply #10 posted 09/15/16 9:11am

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Kara said:

terrig said:



NinaB said:


Seemingly folks are saying Questlove bought it.



I dont blame him - I would have bid on it if I could play that highend game.


Here's his reply on twitter when asked if he bought it. I took it to mean he already had a copy.


https://twitter.com/quest...5684660224

Questlove Gomez
@questlove

No need to, TRUST ME on this one https://twitter.com/rakis...8783358976

3:09 AM - 15 Sep 2016


The guy must have a masters degree in Teasing.
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Reply #11 posted 09/15/16 9:21am

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SquirrelMeat said:

Kara said:



The guy must have a masters degree in Teasing.

lol sooo true
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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SquirrelMeat said:

Kara said: The guy must have a masters degree in Teasing.

Or maybe he's just saying that there's nothing on here that we haven't already heard?

Just be grateful he's giving us any information at all.

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Reply #13 posted 09/15/16 11:07am

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bluegangsta said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Kara said: The guy must have a masters degree in Teasing.

Or maybe he's just saying that there's nothing on here that we haven't already heard?

Just be grateful he's giving us any information at all.



And thats the point. We are having to guess because it is vague, which is a deliberate tease.

He hasn't given us anything. From Wally comments to Camille, its all just suggestive and deliberately vague. There is no reason he can't just explain things clearly, he's just like Londell and some ex band members.

The cloak and dagger stuff isn't needed. Prince is dead. They think its cool, but its lame. Its just a sad power trip.

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Reply #14 posted 09/15/16 11:19am

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SquirrelMeat said:



bluegangsta said:




SquirrelMeat said:


Kara said: The guy must have a masters degree in Teasing.

Or maybe he's just saying that there's nothing on here that we haven't already heard?

Just be grateful he's giving us any information at all.





And thats the point. We are having to guess because it is vague, which is a deliberate tease.

There is no reason he can't just explain things clearly, he's just like Londell and some ex band members.

The cloak and dagger stuff isn't needed. Prince is dead. They think its cool, but its lame. Its just a sad power trip.


Ain't there always been those types. I remember back in the day going 2 a Controversy fan get together. Some guy took only a few select of us 2 a room with his collection. We were allowed 2 look but not touch!
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All the cryptic clandestine shite wasn't cool then & it def ain't cool now.
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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do we know for sure that the songs from Camille that have been released are the same versions on the album or did someone just put the long versions of each song on the bootleg along with Rebirth. if they are different that holds a different interest in the album. just wondering.

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Reply #16 posted 09/15/16 1:04pm

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bigd74 said:

do we know for sure that the songs from Camille that have been released are the same versions on the album or did someone just put the long versions of each song on the bootleg along with Rebirth. if they are different that holds a different interest in the album. just wondering.


We don't know for sure yet. Based on timings on vinyl, and only 4 tracks on each side of the album, my guess is they are the long versions. IIWYG apparently misses the intro on SOTT.

I'm hopeful that the Camille album will be one that will see an official release. "Missing albums" make good advertising, like Bowies latest release.

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Reply #17 posted 09/15/16 2:02pm

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agree with squirrelmeat about quest. Seems like at times he tries to pull the same sh*t Prince did when he was alive, but it doesn't work.

I want to love him, he is a music fanatic ....... he and I both agree on most music taste except hip hop (which I don't care for)...... he is huge Prince guy, played drums on fantastic albums, voodoo is genius....... but he just rubs me raw.

Maybe I am just jealous or a hater, but it always comes across to me like " look what I have or know" vs a truly authentic post on how something moves him.

I used to follow him when I was looking for prince info or D'angelo info.... no longer.......

But yes the wally tease also pissed me off.

I will fully admit I wish I had his access to this stuff.

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Reply #18 posted 09/15/16 2:19pm

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SquirrelMeat said:



bigd74 said:


do we know for sure that the songs from Camille that have been released are the same versions on the album or did someone just put the long versions of each song on the bootleg along with Rebirth. if they are different that holds a different interest in the album. just wondering.




We don't know for sure yet. Based on timings on vinyl, and only 4 tracks on each side of the album, my guess is they are the long versions. IIWYG apparently misses the intro on SOTT.

I'm hopeful that the Camille album will be one that will see an official release. "Missing albums" make good advertising, like Bowies latest release.



A 41.18 min version, fan made i believe, is available on soundcloud. All tracks are long versions, same as previously released, except for IIWYG which does not have the intro. ....It would have been in my top 3 Prince's albums if it had been released smile)).
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Reply #19 posted 09/15/16 2:38pm

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SquirrelMeat said:


We don't know if this was a one off (highly unlikely), but either way, its a hell of a price for a collectable, especially as it contains little in regard to rare content and may yet see the light of day as a future release. I think its safe to say is been bought for historical value rather than content.

Good luck to the person that got it but I does open a dabate of several levels:



Should the estate be locking these things down or buying them back? Seeing a real Camille album on the Paisley tour would raise a smile with most fans.

Are we going to see more of things like this come out of the woodwork? If Karen was sitting on this and successfully sold it, how long before the ex band members and co-workers break rank?

Will sales like this drastically increase the likelyhood of theft and fraud? Where there is money, there is increased interest. What is security like at The Park?

We've obviously seem a spike in price on most items, but I'd expect it to calm. Or will it? Does dead pop star equal ever increasing prices, or will more people look to cash in physical music as digital makes listening much easier.

Of course, the biggest factor will be the actions of the estate. One off items will always sell, but if rare music catalogue is re-released, then some items will plummet in value (e.g. The re-issue NGGMC CD singles or release of Camille on CD & Vinyl).

Lastly, do you sit on one off items, and if you do, would you ever sell them? (I'm not offering to buy them, I'm just curious! lol ).




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I think the estate should release it tomorrow on Vinyl for $19.99. Joking aside, there really is a market for vinyl amongst his fans of his post warners albums. Most of us have managed to get the others over the years. We buy the re-issues, but I really want all the ones you can't get and I can't afford to buy an LP for the price of a car like this guy. I love Prince but not like I love my Guitar (having a roof over my head).

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Reply #20 posted 09/15/16 9:19pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

bluegangsta said:

Or maybe he's just saying that there's nothing on here that we haven't already heard?

Just be grateful he's giving us any information at all.



And thats the point. We are having to guess because it is vague, which is a deliberate tease.

He hasn't given us anything. From Wally comments to Camille, its all just suggestive and deliberately vague. There is no reason he can't just explain things clearly, he's just like Londell and some ex band members.

The cloak and dagger stuff isn't needed. Prince is dead. They think its cool, but its lame. Its just a sad power trip.


Lame is right. Can't stand this kind of behavior. Either spit it out or shut the hell up about it.


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Reply #21 posted 09/15/16 11:06pm

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If someone has a copy, im sure theres others out there!
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Reply #22 posted 09/15/16 11:50pm

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SquirrelMeat said:


Of course, the biggest factor will be the actions of the estate. One off items will always sell, but if rare music catalogue is re-released, then some items will plummet in value (e.g. The re-issue NGGMC CD singles or release of Camille on CD & Vinyl).




It would be a smart move.

I would like an approach like the Hendrix Estate, with the difference that P. musical production is so big that we could have a new re-release every 3 months.

I would buy them all, obviously.

This is my view for it too. And if need be alternate between CD re-releases/releasing of unreleased vault material/Vinyl/DVDs etc with maybe extras during the holidays - to inspire people to gift forward to future fams smile

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Reply #23 posted 09/16/16 10:39am

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ForeverPaisley said:

BoraBora said:



It would be a smart move.

I would like an approach like the Hendrix Estate, with the difference that P. musical production is so big that we could have a new re-release every 3 months.

I would buy them all, obviously.

This is my view for it too. And if need be alternate between CD re-releases/releasing of unreleased vault material/Vinyl/DVDs etc with maybe extras during the holidays - to inspire people to gift forward to future fams smile

Maybe one every three years. That would be torture. lol

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