I think this topic warrants its own thread. If not, mods will gas/lock it I guess, but I've been reading a lot of what I consider to be rather off the wall conspiracy theories all over this board and feel the topic deserves its own discussion.

I don't buy into any of that, personally, but I'm curious about the ideas of the people that do.

I'd like to hear a theory as to Who, Why and How, preferrably that's supported by some sort of evidence and not just angry, hurt fans yelling at clouds who think it's somehow a tarnish on his legacy if he had an addiction issue.

My own thoughts on Prince's death are rather simple. Someone else wrote a very concise round up and summary in the pills/seizure thread but I can't find it. Here's what I think though:

Prince either had surgery or some sort of hip trouble at some point in his career and was prescribed Vicodin/Hydrocodone, a relatively innocuous and not at all dangerous drug if taken as prescribed. Over time, he likely built up a tolerance to them and, due to his fame and fortune, was able to procure more than an average person would be able to. Until rather recently, these drugs were remarkable easy to get but they're not anymore.

Due to the DEA crackdown on this "epidemic", thousands and thousands of people who had gotten hooked on this stuff and who were overprescribed, having found themselves addicted through no fault of thier own, suddenly found themselves suffering withdrawals. Hence the recent incredible spike in heroin usage and black market substitutes for these drugs. Fentanyl and heroin actually wound up easier to find and, incredibly, wound up being cheaper to buy. My guess is that Prince fell into this aforementioned category (over prescribed and unwittingly dependant) and I sure as shit do think he'd ever consider using heroin but, thorough no fault of his own, got addicted.

As the crackdowns and overrgulations took effect, his supply tightned and became inadequate. He entrusted a close friend - or friends - to procure something for him to ease the pain/chase off the jones. Like most people who worked for Prince, this person/people did as they were told, but legit pain prescriptions are harder and harder to come by these days. Yes, even for Prince. Trust me. I KNOW.

Prince was a person who, by Kevin Smith's account, could demand a CAMEL at 3am in Minnesota, and I aint talking about a cigarette. Prince got what Prince wanted when he wanted it and consistently surrounded himself with people that could make it happen. The person he enlisted to score the Vicodin unknowlingly bought black market counterfeit shit, because how can you tell? Prince threw them in on of several vitamin or Advil bottles he had laying around to hide their illicit origin, which is a common tactic of addicts and also even among people who travel a lot, etc.

He was obviously seeking help and knew he had an issue and a problem. I'm not sure why this observation amounts to character assassination in so many people's eyes but apparently it does. I don't see it that way. I also don't see what anyone stands to gain by "setting him up" as a dope fiend. Most people barely even cared about the guy outside of his live shows and I hardly think he was dangerous to anyone. Sure, everyone knew he was but it's not like his records were flying off the shelves or shattering download records. Since the name change, he's been sort of "underground" for some 25 years. If WB wanted him gone, why not when he was doing the "SLAVE" stuff and very openly talking shit about them? Why wait two decades? Why RE-SIGN him for crying out loud?

Prince accidentally and unknowingly (I belive) ate one or two of these "hot" pills, realized in short order that something was amiss, and, blitzed out of hs gourd, stumbled to the elevator where he promptly collapsed and died. As far as being left alone, if Prince told people he wanted to be alone, they left him the fuck alone. Probably happened a lot. He was a stubborn cat who was very used to getting his way.

Only question for me is "who got him the pills?" That's the only mystery in my eyes.

But obviously a lot of people misguidedly think otherwise and honestly believe that someone killed him. I don't buy it for a second but I'd like to hear some honestly well thought out ideas and theories and not just "you people believe everything 'THEY' tell you"m "YOU'RE sheep", "but...but...the MEDIA and the COPS" and blah blah blah. Something a little more substantial then Building 17, 9/11 Trutherism, Obama Birth Certificate, Fake Moon Landing, Brian Jones, Hendrix, Cobain nonsense.

SO: Who, How, Why, When, Where? GO.

herb4 said:

I'm pretty much of same thought as you Herb4.

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Perhaps for some it's easier to think he was murdered than to realize he had faults and vises, like all of us....

[Edited 9/6/16 17:15pm]

Morningstarlet said:

I don't think he was murdered, but I'd sure like to know how his clothes got on backward. That part is a little creepy to me.

He did not have his clothes on backward this part of the story is untrue and has been confirmed again just gossip tabliod stuff..

why bother answering ...like the cocaine diet thread it will get tossed...damage control is worse now hes dead

fanoftheman said:

rogifan said:

Morningstarlet said:

Morningstarlet said:

fanoftheman said:

Morningstarlet said:

I don't think he was murdered, but I'd sure like to know how his clothes got on backward. That part is a little creepy to me.

He did not have his clothes on backward this part of the story is untrue and has been confirmed again just gossip tabliod stuff..

Can you provide a source for that? It would be wonderful to see. Thanks.

It's dangling out there. It's not something I have the energy to even contemplate. A bunch of unanswered questions aren't helping.


I hadn't heard the clothing thing had been debunked, I barely read that other thread now it's going in so many circles. and nothing has shown up in other places I know of. If the clothing thing is true then that's one major thing off the table. That's some weird annoying mess right there.

Kevin Smith's whole account was a tiny bit exagerrated for comical effect and even he admitted that himself. So, maybe we shouldn't use that example.

Yes, Prince probably did get mostly what he wanted. But that is no excuse for people to facilitate his own demise.

He was not murdered. But I do believe it could described as manslaughter because he was an addict who was enabled to obtain drugs that were not good for him from unreliable source. Drug addicts are not exactly the most rational people, are they? Also, if he did not know he was taking fentanyl, someone is responsible other than just Prince.

As for the argument that Prince fans are so naive, I hate looking at old threads on this site because it was filled with haters. So, I am not sure where this notion that his 'fans' believed the sun shined out of his ass is coming from.

PLus, I would think the belief that Prince was murdered would be even more of a tarnish. You don't usually murder someone you have affection for. If you are willing to murder your meal ticket (even though he had no will) then you obviously just despiced the man..thus it would be implying that perhaps Prince was a despicable man.

herb4 said:

I think this topic warrants its own thread. If not, mods will gas/lock it I guess, but I've been reading a lot of what I consider to be rather off the wall conspiracy theories all over this board and feel the topic deserves its own discussion.

I don't buy into any of that, personally, but I'm curious about the ideas of the people that do.

I'd like to hear a theory as to Who, Why and How, preferrably that's supported by some sort of evidence and not just angry, hurt fans yelling at clouds who think it's somehow a tarnish on his legacy if he had an addiction issue.

My own thoughts on Prince's death are rather simple. Someone else wrote a very concise round up and summary in the pills/seizure thread but I can't find it. Here's what I think though:

Prince either had surgery or some sort of hip trouble at some point in his career and was prescribed Vicodin/Hydrocodone, a relatively innocuous and not at all dangerous drug if taken as prescribed. Over time, he likely built up a tolerance to them and, due to his fame and fortune, was able to procure more than an average person would be able to. Until rather recently, these drugs were remarkable easy to get but they're not anymore.

Due to the DEA crackdown on this "epidemic", thousands and thousands of people who had gotten hooked on this stuff and who were overprescribed, having found themselves addicted through no fault of thier own, suddenly found themselves suffering withdrawals. Hence the recent incredible spike in heroin usage and black market substitutes for these drugs. Fentanyl and heroin actually wound up easier to find and, incredibly, wound up being cheaper to buy. My guess is that Prince fell into this aforementioned category (over prescribed and unwittingly dependant) and I sure as shit do think he'd ever consider using heroin but, thorough no fault of his own, got addicted.

As the crackdowns and overrgulations took effect, his supply tightned and became inadequate. He entrusted a close friend - or friends - to procure something for him to ease the pain/chase off the jones. Like most people who worked for Prince, this person/people did as they were told, but legit pain prescriptions are harder and harder to come by these days. Yes, even for Prince. Trust me. I KNOW.

Prince was a person who, by Kevin Smith's account, could demand a CAMEL at 3am in Minnesota, and I aint talking about a cigarette. Prince got what Prince wanted when he wanted it and consistently surrounded himself with people that could make it happen. The person he enlisted to score the Vicodin unknowlingly bought black market counterfeit shit, because how can you tell? Prince threw them in on of several vitamin or Advil bottles he had laying around to hide their illicit origin, which is a common tactic of addicts and also even among people who travel a lot, etc.

He was obviously seeking help and knew he had an issue and a problem. I'm not sure why this observation amounts to character assassination in so many people's eyes but apparently it does. I don't see it that way. I also don't see what anyone stands to gain by "setting him up" as a dope fiend. Most people barely even cared about the guy outside of his live shows and I hardly think he was dangerous to anyone. Sure, everyone knew he was but it's not like his records were flying off the shelves or shattering download records. Since the name change, he's been sort of "underground" for some 25 years. If WB wanted him gone, why not when he was doing the "SLAVE" stuff and very openly talking shit about them? Why wait two decades? Why RE-SIGN him for crying out loud?

Prince accidentally and unknowingly (I belive) ate one or two of these "hot" pills, realized in short order that something was amiss, and, blitzed out of hs gourd, stumbled to the elevator where he promptly collapsed and died. As far as being left alone, if Prince told people he wanted to be alone, they left him the fuck alone. Probably happened a lot. He was a stubborn cat who was very used to getting his way.

Only question for me is "who got him the pills?" That's the only mystery in my eyes.

But obviously a lot of people misguidedly think otherwise and honestly believe that someone killed him. I don't buy it for a second but I'd like to hear some honestly well thought out ideas and theories and not just "you people believe everything 'THEY' tell you"m "YOU'RE sheep", "but...but...the MEDIA and the COPS" and blah blah blah. Something a little more substantial then Building 17, 9/11 Trutherism, Obama Birth Certificate, Fake Moon Landing, Brian Jones, Hendrix, Cobain nonsense.

SO: Who, How, Why, When, Where? GO.

[Edited 9/6/16 20:03pm]

Morningstarlet said:

morningsong said:

Morningstarlet said:

So has this topic already been discussed? It may be out there but it's certainly worth a discussion. It sure beats the ongoing mindless sexuality thread that seems so popular on this board.

Yes it has been discussed. Interesting you prefer a murder discussion over sexuality. And what makes it mindless? Peace out.

I had a crazy conspiracy thought a few weeks ago, but I didn't post. I will come up with one just because I like this thread. In all seriouness, what we need around here is a thread that debunks the myths from the facts. I didn't know the cloths on backwards had been debunked or proven false. SO is it true he didn't have a prescription for pain medication period????

I am in some form of agreeement with herb4, but I love a good conspiracy-so since our only question is who got him the pills-who are the ususal suspects that would have done that for Prince?

I must admit that until all this information post Prince, I didn't have a clue about the dangers of illegal drugs, but I would still be afraid of buying something from the homeboy on the corner.

[Edited 9/6/16 18:33pm]

lollipop2 said:

Morningstarlet said:

I don't think he was murdered, but I'd sure like to know how his clothes got on backward. That part is a little creepy to me.

Is it possible he could have had a "breakdown" and did it himself. I always wonder, if those pills can affect a person mentally. Also according to an article I read there was 13 and 1/2 hours from the time he was last seen until the time he was discovered deceased. I am new here and hope I can find the reply to my response...

I'd be interested to see a source for the debunking of the clothes on backwards. It sounded like BS to me in the first place.

And the murder theories are just crazy...

purplepoppy said:

morningsong said:

It's dangling out there. It's not something I have the energy to even contemplate. A bunch of unanswered questions aren't helping.


I hadn't heard the clothing thing had been debunked, I barely read that other thread now it's going in so many circles. and nothing has shown up in other places I know of. If the clothing thing is true then that's one major thing off the table. That's some weird annoying mess right there.

That report was from the Star Tribune and to my knowledge, it has not been "debunked"

rogifan said:

Ugh....why even entertain this stuff?!? Leaving this thread now....

Take me with you! (no pun intended)

zenarose said:

morningsong said:

It's dangling out there. It's not something I have the energy to even contemplate. A bunch of unanswered questions aren't helping.


I hadn't heard the clothing thing had been debunked, I barely read that other thread now it's going in so many circles. and nothing has shown up in other places I know of. If the clothing thing is true then that's one major thing off the table. That's some weird annoying mess right there.

That report was from the Star Tribune and to my knowledge, it has not been "debunked"

Crap. It's still on the table.

There's not enough informaion to be swayed any direction on any speculation, even long term opiod addiction. Such as he didn't have a prescription for about 12 months in MN, was it because he was cut off or was it because he only wanted to use those specific discontinued pills? The latter seems strange because the only change in them was the amount of the acetaminophin which is not a controlled substance, the former only gives that information for 1 state out of 50 for a rich guy who travels so that doesn't make sense either. Not having a prescription and being denied a prescription are 2 totally different things, so again another speculation is thrown into it. I've run out energy for all the weirdness. I'll just stay in the realm of things that make sense and leave this a big question mark.

morningsong said:

zenarose said:

That report was from the Star Tribune and to my knowledge, it has not been "debunked"

Crap. It's still on the table.

There's not enough informaion to be swayed any direction on any speculation, even long term opiod addiction. Such as he didn't have a prescription for about 12 months in MN, was it because he was cut off or was it because he only wanted to use those specific discontinued pills? The latter seems strange because the only change in them was the amount of the acetaminophin which is not a controlled substance, the former only gives that information for 1 state out of 50 for a rich guy who travels so that doesn't make sense either. Not having a prescription and being denied a prescription are 2 totally different things, so again another speculation is thrown into it. I've run out energy for all the weirdness. I'll just stay in the realm of things that make sense and leave this a big question mark.

I'm in total agreement!! Seems a whole lotta ssshhhtuff floating around. We cannot say that we have any truth. So I'm just continuing to watch and listen.

Vox said:

No.

OP's post is fire. Makes a lot of sense. Challenging the conspiracy theorists with it feels a bit like taking candy from a baby to be honest. These people just don't know how to deal with the sad and very likely truth.