Genesia said:

Please, God - make it stop.

Yeah, enough already with this shit.

morningsong said:

zenarose said:

That report was from the Star Tribune and to my knowledge, it has not been "debunked"

Crap. It's still on the table.

There's not enough informaion to be swayed any direction on any speculation, even long term opiod addiction. Such as he didn't have a prescription for about 12 months in MN, was it because he was cut off or was it because he only wanted to use those specific discontinued pills? The latter seems strange because the only change in them was the amount of the acetaminophin which is not a controlled substance, the former only gives that information for 1 state out of 50 for a rich guy who travels so that doesn't make sense either. Not having a prescription and being denied a prescription are 2 totally different things, so again another speculation is thrown into it. I've run out energy for all the weirdness. I'll just stay in the realm of things that make sense and leave this a big question mark.

I thought it was debunked in that one of the muses said he sometimes wore his shirts backwards. Something about not liking V-necks. Then there was a long discussion on the thread about the credibility of this claim...why would he buy them in the first place?

I can't remember the name of the muse (or just lady friend?) and I can't remember the thread, either. It was a long, winding one, however.

And, no, I don't think he was murdered.

Nope, not murdered. I think it's what the medical extaminer concluded: accidental self-administered fentanyl overdose.

Based on what we know, Prince was struggling with an opioid addiction, bought blackmarket counterfeit pills because he couldn't or didn't want to get stuff from a doctor, and had a misfortune of getting the fentany-laced stuff that's sweeping the opioid black market. Overdose, then death.

While we don't know every last detail (who exactly his dealer was, if anyone in his circle helped him buy his pills, etc.) I don't think ther are many things that "don't add up." The sad, depressing chain of events doesn't seem all that unusual for someone strugging wiht an opioid addiction.

The only possible criminal charges (and this might even be a stretch) would be against who ever dealt him the illegal drugs or helped him buy the drugs.

teach49 said:

morningsong said:

Crap. It's still on the table.

There's not enough informaion to be swayed any direction on any speculation, even long term opiod addiction. Such as he didn't have a prescription for about 12 months in MN, was it because he was cut off or was it because he only wanted to use those specific discontinued pills? The latter seems strange because the only change in them was the amount of the acetaminophin which is not a controlled substance, the former only gives that information for 1 state out of 50 for a rich guy who travels so that doesn't make sense either. Not having a prescription and being denied a prescription are 2 totally different things, so again another speculation is thrown into it. I've run out energy for all the weirdness. I'll just stay in the realm of things that make sense and leave this a big question mark.

I thought it was debunked in that one of the muses said he sometimes wore his shirts backwards. Something about not liking V-necks. Then there was a long discussion on the thread about the credibility of this claim...why would he buy them in the first place?

I can't remember the name of the muse (or just lady friend?) and I can't remember the thread, either. It was a long, winding one, however.

Oh, it was heresay. That wouldn't explain his pants or why his socks were inside out so basically it was just more speculation on top of speculation. So never mind.

Before we were working with he had a fentanyl addiction and had reasoned out all kinds of scenerios, he had even be found wearing a fentanyl patch, that was the running "FACT" around these parts and then there was the burning question why he would od on same thing twice so close together all of that was reasoned out and then we get a tidbit of information that completely disproves all of those "FACTS" that were talked about for months, now here we go again an ton of "FACTS" on a tiny bit of supposed info. We still don't officially know if this man was denied access to hydrocodone or not, we assume he was because getting stuff blackmarket makes absolutely no sense otherwise, but again there is absolutely nothing that said definitely he was denied access to it. For me the stuff is just basically floating around up in the air in a jumbled mess. I don't know what happened to that man beyond what the ME wrote in June.

disch said:

Nope, not murdered. I think it's what the medical extaminer concluded: accidental self-administered fentanyl overdose.

Based on what we know, Prince was struggling with an opioid addiction, bought blackmarket counterfeit pills because he couldn't or didn't want to get stuff from a doctor, and had a misfortune of getting the fentany-laced stuff that's sweeping the opioid black market. Overdose, then death.

While we don't know every last detail (who exactly his dealer was, if anyone in his circle helped him buy his pills, etc.) I don't think ther are many things that "don't add up." The sad, depressing chain of events doesn't seem all that unusual for someone strugging wiht an opioid addiction.

The only possible criminal charges (and this might even be a stretch) would be against who ever dealt him the illegal drugs or helped him buy the drugs.

How did the ME determine that it was "self administered"?

I don't know if Prince was murdered.. but his siblings and WB wouldve benefitted financially if Prince had an untimely death without a Will

[Edited 9/6/16 19:55pm]

i'[m not a medical examiner, but I assume this one is a trained professional who has access to tons of info -- condition of P's body, contents of P's stomach, blood levels, whatever else they look at in the autopsy, along with the physical environment he was found in, etc -- that we have no idea about and don't have the education and experience to evaluate. I'm sure there's lots of Google-able stuff out there about how ME's conduct investigations, but as for me, I'll assume she knows her job.

LoneCrone said:

disch said:

Nope, not murdered. I think it's what the medical extaminer concluded: accidental self-administered fentanyl overdose.

Based on what we know, Prince was struggling with an opioid addiction, bought blackmarket counterfeit pills because he couldn't or didn't want to get stuff from a doctor, and had a misfortune of getting the fentany-laced stuff that's sweeping the opioid black market. Overdose, then death.

While we don't know every last detail (who exactly his dealer was, if anyone in his circle helped him buy his pills, etc.) I don't think ther are many things that "don't add up." The sad, depressing chain of events doesn't seem all that unusual for someone strugging wiht an opioid addiction.

The only possible criminal charges (and this might even be a stretch) would be against who ever dealt him the illegal drugs or helped him buy the drugs.

How did the ME determine that it was "self administered"?

Hmmm...?

It still feels like the Whole Truth hasn't been exposed yet..

I honestly couldn't say anything with certainty at this point..

Other than i miss Prince

Well done, Herb.

Imagine the lunacy. The would be " murderer(s) decided to "poison" Prince in Atlanta as soon as he finished playing his show by replacing his "prescribed" pills with the deadly laced look-a -likes. Prince finds out about the plot by taking the pills that looked similar to what he was taking before. Nothwithstanding, he never had a prescription to examine the difference , but he took them anyway. Now, he is aware that someone is trying to poison him and decides to keep it a secret. After all, why would you want to expose an attempted murder on your life? I certainly can think of innumerable reasons to want to expose a murder plot on my life. You mean to tell me that after all the songs he wrote about big government/big corporation manipulation he didn't see this one coming? Did he switch off all frontal lobe capabilities and went with the "My name is Prince" instinct? Maybe the conspiracy theorist(s) can explain it.

A few days later, Prince develops an insatiable craving for the same substance that was planted in his bag to kill him. He decides to take it again. Now, although he had foreknowledge of the previous "poisonous plot" to end his life, he decides, once again, to keep it a secret and instead, take the poison. This is now two instances of someone attempting to murder you. After the "murder", The Carver County Sheriff's department decides to cover up any and all evidence of the attempted "murder". He (the sheriff) goes a step further and gets the (ME) ,along with the Minnesota governing board involved in the cover up . She (the ME) decides to aid in the cover up. It gets worse! The (ME) being full aware of the poisonous plot, decided to partner with the DEA about how to best write up a false autopsy report. This in turn allows the DEA to have an excuse to wage a war on all drug dealers in Minnesota, which was the initial plan from the very beginning! Last but not least, the Star Tribune then decides to falsify every single lead story about Prince because they are also involved in the murderous plot. It was the only way to hault dismal sales. I suspect that they will continue to participate in the plot by posting more information shortly. We wait patiently for the files to be de-classifed by the FBI, NSA, CIA, Interpol, and the International Space Station in order to mark the file as "solved". Good thread , Herb. It was needed.

morningsong said:

teach49 said:

I thought it was debunked in that one of the muses said he sometimes wore his shirts backwards. Something about not liking V-necks. Then there was a long discussion on the thread about the credibility of this claim...why would he buy them in the first place?

I can't remember the name of the muse (or just lady friend?) and I can't remember the thread, either. It was a long, winding one, however.

Oh, it was heresay. That wouldn't explain his pants or why his socks were inside out so basically it was just more speculation on top of speculation. So never mind.

Before we were working with he had a fentanyl addiction and had reasoned out all kinds of scenerios, he had even be found wearing a fentanyl patch, that was the running "FACT" around these parts and then there was the burning question why he would od on same thing twice so close together all of that was reasoned out and then we get a tidbit of information that completely disproves all of those "FACTS" that were talked about for months, now here we go again an ton of "FACTS" on a tiny bit of supposed info. We still don't officially know if this man was denied access to hydrocodone or not, we assume he was because getting stuff blackmarket makes absolutely no sense otherwise, but again there is absolutely nothing that said definitely he was denied access to it. For me the stuff is just basically floating around up in the air in a jumbled mess. I don't know what happened to that man beyond what the ME wrote in June.

Agreed. That's why I don't check that thread too much any more. Just a bunch of speculation and running around in circles. Every now and then I check to see if there's any real update.

It's likely we'll never know more than we know now, unless there's an arrest for some reason.

teach49 said:

morningsong said:

Oh, it was heresay. That wouldn't explain his pants or why his socks were inside out so basically it was just more speculation on top of speculation. So never mind.

Before we were working with he had a fentanyl addiction and had reasoned out all kinds of scenerios, he had even be found wearing a fentanyl patch, that was the running "FACT" around these parts and then there was the burning question why he would od on same thing twice so close together all of that was reasoned out and then we get a tidbit of information that completely disproves all of those "FACTS" that were talked about for months, now here we go again an ton of "FACTS" on a tiny bit of supposed info. We still don't officially know if this man was denied access to hydrocodone or not, we assume he was because getting stuff blackmarket makes absolutely no sense otherwise, but again there is absolutely nothing that said definitely he was denied access to it. For me the stuff is just basically floating around up in the air in a jumbled mess. I don't know what happened to that man beyond what the ME wrote in June.

Agreed. That's why I don't check that thread too much any more. Just a bunch of speculation and running around in circles. Every now and then I check to see if there's any real update.

It's likely we'll never know more than we know now, unless there's an arrest for some reason.

I'm fed up with all of the speculation at this point.

i do

I don't think it was murder either.

I also think P had a nasty illness, probably diagnosed in 2014 (and possibly as a result of long-term pain-killer usage to help him manage his hip / knee pain). There's a lot of evidence to suggest that 'something' significant happened in 2014 that changed his outlook on life.

I think he deliberately mixed legit. pain-killers with the black-market ones, not caring any more which ones he took, thereby allowing God / Chance to dictate his future.

It just so happened that on the fateful night, he happened to take the 'bad' ones. Even though it was a 'deliberate accident', he panicked as they took effect (natural survival instinct kicking in) and threw on his clothes any which way he could, desperate to get downstairs for air / not thinking straight and collapsed / died in the elevator.

Dolphinking23 said:

nursev said:

U mutha----make me sick why even make a thread about this if you don't believe it? and for all the people who do believe it you wanna call them conspiracy theorists Truth is shit doesn't add up concerning Prince's death so for anyone to call the people who think he was murdered crazy is just wrong. I for one think something sinister happened to him and I don't care who doesn't like it

oliviacamron said:

nursev said:

U mutha----make me sick why even make a thread about this if you don't believe it? and for all the people who do believe it you wanna call them conspiracy theorists Truth is shit doesn't add up concerning Prince's death so for anyone to call the people who think he was murdered crazy is just wrong. I for one think something sinister happened to him and I don't care who doesn't like it

See we know this in our hearts that something just not right.

purplerabbithole said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

nursev said:

The only thing I find odd is that if the fentanly dose he did take was from an illicit source, it stands to reason that there are other doses out there that would cause death if taken. Example, there was recently a spike in heroin overdoses in Ohio that stemmed from a supply that was spiked with carfentanil, a potent synthetic drug 100x more powerful than fentanly and used as an animal tranquilizer. The laced haroin was being sold on the street and users were overdosing left and right. So again, I find it odd that Prince happened to take the one dose that contained a fatal dose of fentanyl, but we have yet to hear about any other OD's or deaths from fentanyl in the Minn area.

BlackandRising said:

I believe there is a thread for nonsense.