Lately, L and W have been kind or at worst mildly teasing.

As for Prince with women, relationships are complicated (especially with someone as famous as Prine) and Prince was probably an insecure man, self-protective and possibly distrustful to boot.. What motive would he have to just be mean? The Strange Relationshp song might say a lot about Prince but then again, it is just a song.

GhostChick said:

I will say this. Wendy and Lisa have always had a lot to say about Prince through the years and most of it wasn't kind.

They are the ones, for me, that seem to keep it real about Prince. Both Wendy and Lisa have kept it real about Prince and how he treats women. How people think he "exalts" women but really he is mean in his relationships with them. And even Prince admitted a few times, that he can be mean OR he has a mean side.

I think that's why when so many ORGers go in on how this person was his soulmate and that person was his soulmate and then some of those same women would mention something he did to them, something mean BUT they still loved that man? Yeah I give them the side eye too. And I respect the ones that "left" him eventually.

I love Prince as a Musician, an Artist and as an Entertainer BUT I'm not fooled by his obvious mistreatment of a lot of people along the way. Seems like he begin to mellow out as he got in his late 40's. And then who knows how he was even then.

[Edited 9/7/16 4:21am]

PeteSilas said:

he was right about mark, he could play that bass, his personality was actually the opposite of what you'd expect, just seemed like a mama's boy, very diffident and shy in the interviews and readings I've done. I've also always thought that Prince had that black self hatred in those years and took it out on mark. black people might sometimes have a lot of enmity for white people but there is often a lot of respect if not outright fear of white people, and so we have tragic phenomenon's like black on black crime where all the shit you're getting dumped on you by society, you take out on each other.

I think it was the Alpha black male thing. Prince wanted to be the baddest brother in that band and he may have been hard on Mark for that reason. I know the story about Miko Weaver and Prince almost getting into a fight because Miko said he was grabbing more woman on the road then Prince and Prince got pissed off at him over it.

Calling him a fancy lesbian in the media is teasing. Really seems kind of fucked up to me. Anybody with money had to keep their guard up and unfortunately he choose to truck with bimbos and protégés so he made his own problems

purplerabbithole said:

Lately, L and W have been kind or at worst mildly teasing.

As for Prince with women, relationships are complicated (especially with someone as famous as Prine) and Prince was probably an insecure man, self-protective and possibly distrustful to boot.. What motive would he have to just be mean? The Strange Relationshp song might say a lot about Prince but then again, it is just a song.

GhostChick said:

I will say this. Wendy and Lisa have always had a lot to say about Prince through the years and most of it wasn't kind.

They are the ones, for me, that seem to keep it real about Prince. Both Wendy and Lisa have kept it real about Prince and how he treats women. How people think he "exalts" women but really he is mean in his relationships with them. And even Prince admitted a few times, that he can be mean OR he has a mean side.

I think that's why when so many ORGers go in on how this person was his soulmate and that person was his soulmate and then some of those same women would mention something he did to them, something mean BUT they still loved that man? Yeah I give them the side eye too. And I respect the ones that "left" him eventually.

I love Prince as a Musician, an Artist and as an Entertainer BUT I'm not fooled by his obvious mistreatment of a lot of people along the way. Seems like he begin to mellow out as he got in his late 40's. And then who knows how he was even then.

[Edited 9/7/16 4:21am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said: ---- All they had to do was promote the damm CD. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis would not go out and tour behind the CD. I can't see how that was P 's fault. Anyway Morris was at Paisely Park in January so they probaly patched things up.

I thought it was Jesse Johnson that was the blacksheep on that one?

Jesse Johnson said it was Jimmy and Terry. He said they had no interest in going on the road so Jesse bounced as he said he needed to work.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

The rot in hell comment came from an arugument that had with him about his running around on Susan. I take it as him just shooting back at them for being in his business. I doubt he disliked lesibian since Robyn Power said he loved having her go out and find girls for their get togethers.

"Prince's ever blackening his music with horns and Wendy saying it sounded like a soul revue."

This type of shit from Wendy pissed me off. Even they way she stopped Andre from Jamming the first night of the concerts. WTF is wrong with her more than half of P music is RnB/Funk.

Some of the same men that are against homosexuality(male) get off on female homosexuality.

Wendy had no issue withthe horns, she was addressing the band set up, she also wasn't cool with having to share the stage with Susannah. So race had nothing to do with it. The band set up wasn't the original and it only happened last minute because the Family broke up. Susannah Eric Jerome Gilber Wally Miko were all the live Family band. I too didn't like how Brownmark was put in the back of the 3 dancers.

I also wonder if Eddie M was originally going to come on as sax player with the Revolution prior to this.

And the recent Revolution concerts. There as no drama, she didn't 'stop Andre from jamming' U just created an unrealistic issue there. She obviously has no issue at all with RnB/Funk when she said she fell in love with Prince when she was dancing to a song called Soft n Wet at a club. She never had a problem with that and loved that stuff.

"There as no drama, she didn't 'stop Andre from jamming' U just created an unrealistic issue there."

I watched this with my own eyes. She stopped when he was jamming his ass off. Also who is she to say how the band line up should go? It was not her band. Prince was her boss. Do you go to work and tell your boss how to run the workplace? She was a habitual line stepper.

You Wendy fans are too much

I'm always fascinated by this argument that the ones who don't have nice things to say about Prince are "keeping it real". Huh? Nobody is saying the guy was a saint or had no faults but when I watch Van Jones and others bawling their eyes out on Dr Drew's show talking about things Prince did that the general public might not know about that's real to me. https://youtu.be/tEppqdoSyW8

Total BS that the only people who are "keeping it real" are those who speak about his flaws and negative traits.

OldFriends4Sale said:

TOMMY BARBARELLA: Our last real long conversation was a spiritual discussion that went awry. It left kind of a bad taste in my mouth. He’s just not interested in things that aren’t in accordance with his views. He likes to argue, and he likes to win the argument, which is why [his current religion] seems to work well for him. But he’s searching, trying to make sense of it all, trying to get right with God. I’m cool with it as long as I don’t get into an argument with him, because he’s a very persuasive speaker. I sat up in his office the day after his name change. He talked for about three hours, explaining to me what it meant and why. I walked out of there feeling pretty good. It made sense to me. Later that night, I was like, “What? Wait a minute. What did he say?”

i beleive tommy also said they had a real spiritual , religious conversation that went on for hours,, shorthy after it ended, Prince went into the studio and recorded a song called "good pussy"...lol

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

A shy person or a more withdrawn person (and bass players for some reason always seem to be like that) in the company of someone like Prince who like to kid people and mess with, I always thought Prince had a 'maternal' covering of Mark

he also drop kicked him onstage for breaking a string and did a lot of other more paternal things to mark. in pop life mark says he had such a bad time on the 1999 tour that he wanted to quit mid-tour and he called his momma, started drinking a lot and gained weight. however, he was like 19, when i had my first real job i felt like that too.

wasnt he late coming dfown from hotel room and Prince has the tour bus leave Mark..

laurarichardson said:

GhostChick said:

I will say this. Wendy and Lisa have always had a lot to say about Prince through the years and most of it wasn't kind.

They are the ones, for me, that seem to keep it real about Prince. Both Wendy and Lisa have kept it real about Prince and how he treats women. How people think he "exalts" women but really he is mean in his relationships with them. And even Prince admitted a few times, that he can be mean OR he has a mean side.

I think that's why when so many ORGers go in on how this person was his soulmate and that person was his soulmate and then some of those same women would mention something he did to them, something mean BUT they still loved that man? Yeah I give them the side eye too. And I respect the ones that "left" him eventually.

I love Prince as a Musician, an Artist and as an Entertainer BUT I'm not fooled by his obvious mistreatment of a lot of people along the way. Seems like he begin to mellow out as he got in his late 40's. And then who knows how he was even then.

---

He surived he the music industry for almost 40 years. Do you think he did that by being nice? As far as the woman are concerned do not be naive some of them were hanging around to get something out of him. I am sure he never forced any of these grown ass woman to do something they did not want to do. I am also sure he had some real relationships that we the public will never know about at all. Wendy and Lisa would not have had a carreer without Prince and what was going in his personal life really was none of their business.

I am not naive at all. I don't know who was trying to get what out of him. And yes you are right, if it wasn't for him, Wendy & Lisa would NOT have a career. And that goes for Vanity 6 too. And Apples.

Shelia E. might had became a famous session musician or eventually known for her drumming but Prince put all of these people on the map.

The only 2 people I think would had still probably had a career is Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. But I think because of their participation with The Time and Prince, I think that got their career started off much quicker and had people interested in them.

rogifan said:

I'm always fascinated by this argument that the ones who don't have nice things to say about Prince are "keeping it real". Huh? Nobody is saying the guy was a saint or had no faults but when I watch Van Jones and others bawling their eyes out on Dr Drew's show talking about things Prince did that the general public might not know about that's real to me. https://youtu.be/tEppqdoSyW8 Total BS that the only people who are "keeping it real" are those who speak about his flaws and negative traits.

No I am not saying that the ones that are keeping it real are the ones talking about his flaws.

However, when it comes to women and his dealings with romantic relationships, yes I do think that Wendy & Lisa keeps it real, when it comes to that topic. I think, for some reason, a lot of female posters on this org will defend Prince about his relationships with certain people. And I'm looking like, really?

Prince was NO saint BUT he did have a mean side to him, in his dealings with some people. And I get that. But I think that for some reason, people are forgetting that or making him seem like he is the victim in a lot of this stuff. A lot of drama, Prince himself created.

But I listen to this man pretty much every day. Before his death. Prince's music was a natural part of the soundtrack of my life. And despite my constant ramblings about how mean he could be, in all honestly, I miss him a lot.

lwr001 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

TOMMY BARBARELLA: Our last real long conversation was a spiritual discussion that went awry. It left kind of a bad taste in my mouth. He’s just not interested in things that aren’t in accordance with his views. He likes to argue, and he likes to win the argument, which is why [his current religion] seems to work well for him. But he’s searching, trying to make sense of it all, trying to get right with God. I’m cool with it as long as I don’t get into an argument with him, because he’s a very persuasive speaker. I sat up in his office the day after his name change. He talked for about three hours, explaining to me what it meant and why. I walked out of there feeling pretty good. It made sense to me. Later that night, I was like, “What? Wait a minute. What did he say?”

i beleive tommy also said they had a real spiritual , religious conversation that went on for hours,, shorthy after it ended, Prince went into the studio and recorded a song called "good pussy"...lol

LOL

OMG that was so funny
No more 'Sunday Songs' lol

Tommy said some things about those songs, especially Pussy Control etc

They were definately working for a paycheck then lol

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Some of the same men that are against homosexuality(male) get off on female homosexuality.

Wendy had no issue withthe horns, she was addressing the band set up, she also wasn't cool with having to share the stage with Susannah. So race had nothing to do with it. The band set up wasn't the original and it only happened last minute because the Family broke up. Susannah Eric Jerome Gilber Wally Miko were all the live Family band. I too didn't like how Brownmark was put in the back of the 3 dancers.

I also wonder if Eddie M was originally going to come on as sax player with the Revolution prior to this.

And the recent Revolution concerts. There as no drama, she didn't 'stop Andre from jamming' U just created an unrealistic issue there. She obviously has no issue at all with RnB/Funk when she said she fell in love with Prince when she was dancing to a song called Soft n Wet at a club. She never had a problem with that and loved that stuff.

"There as no drama, she didn't 'stop Andre from jamming' U just created an unrealistic issue there."

I watched this with my own eyes. She stopped when he was jamming his ass off. Also who is she to say how the band line up should go? It was not her band. Prince was her boss. Do you go to work and tell your boss how to run the workplace? She was a habitual line stepper.

You Wendy fans are too much

I liked Wendy and Lisa musically in the band. And again, I always felt they kinda had a more honest view about how he treated women because, well, he wasn't fucking them.

BUT

I also believed that Wendy & Lisa felt like "their era" of when they were with Prince was the best and I also feel like sometimes, they kinda made it seem like they didn't really like it when he would be interested in going in a more R&B/Funk direction. I also kinda felt like Wendy in particular, wasn't feeling that.

I don't think the word is 'Mean' but I think that is the closest

What he 'intentionally' did to Apollonia in the movie (the Lake scene) even though a joke, was mean. A lot of mean spirited actually are done 'all in fun'

Prince was definately a layered being. I think of the Hallway Poem of Computer Blue.
When people shut down(don't cry etc) as Prince said he did after his father told him he couldn't come home (even though a lot of good came as a result) a lot of 'soul' harm occured. He said around the Dirty Mind period he was really angry. And the stuff didn't start changing until the 84/85 period. He started opening up. He called it a Community.

But when U learn to survive by shutting down or cutting people off it is hard to stop.
Thing is, and I'm not judging Prince or the women he had affections for nor the ones he just hooked up with, but in general juggling women is not a nice thing.

purplerabbithole said:

Lately, L and W have been kind or at worst mildly teasing.

As for Prince with women, relationships are complicated (especially with someone as famous as Prine) and Prince was probably an insecure man, self-protective and possibly distrustful to boot.. What motive would he have to just be mean? The Strange Relationshp song might say a lot about Prince but then again, it is just a song.

GhostChick said:

I will say this. Wendy and Lisa have always had a lot to say about Prince through the years and most of it wasn't kind.

They are the ones, for me, that seem to keep it real about Prince. Both Wendy and Lisa have kept it real about Prince and how he treats women. How people think he "exalts" women but really he is mean in his relationships with them. And even Prince admitted a few times, that he can be mean OR he has a mean side.

I think that's why when so many ORGers go in on how this person was his soulmate and that person was his soulmate and then some of those same women would mention something he did to them, something mean BUT they still loved that man? Yeah I give them the side eye too. And I respect the ones that "left" him eventually.

I love Prince as a Musician, an Artist and as an Entertainer BUT I'm not fooled by his obvious mistreatment of a lot of people along the way. Seems like he begin to mellow out as he got in his late 40's. And then who knows how he was even then.

[Edited 9/7/16 4:21am]

GhostChick said:

laurarichardson said:

"There as no drama, she didn't 'stop Andre from jamming' U just created an unrealistic issue there."

I watched this with my own eyes. She stopped when he was jamming his ass off. Also who is she to say how the band line up should go? It was not her band. Prince was her boss. Do you go to work and tell your boss how to run the workplace? She was a habitual line stepper.

You Wendy fans are too much

I liked Wendy and Lisa musically in the band. And again, I always felt they kinda had a more honest view about how he treated women because, well, he wasn't fucking them.

BUT

I also believed that Wendy & Lisa felt like "their era" of when they were with Prince was the best and I also feel like sometimes, they kinda made it seem like they didn't really like it when he would be interested in going in a more R&B/Funk direction. I also kinda felt like Wendy in particular, wasn't feeling that.

but the Funk was always there, was always what they jammed. I don't think back then the band ever really did straight out RnB? But the music was so fused and was so particularly Prince back then. I don't think they had a problem with it. I mean again Wendy fell in love with Prince when she heard Soft n Wet
Prince music was Funk Rock Folk New Wave RnB Jazzish back then all the time

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

he was right about mark, he could play that bass, his personality was actually the opposite of what you'd expect, just seemed like a mama's boy, very diffident and shy in the interviews and readings I've done. I've also always thought that Prince had that black self hatred in those years and took it out on mark. black people might sometimes have a lot of enmity for white people but there is often a lot of respect if not outright fear of white people, and so we have tragic phenomenon's like black on black crime where all the shit you're getting dumped on you by society, you take out on each other.

I think it was the Alpha black male thing. Prince wanted to be the baddest brother in that band and he may have been hard on Mark for that reason. I know the story about Miko Weaver and Prince almost getting into a fight because Miko said he was grabbing more woman on the road then Prince and Prince got pissed off at him over it.

U R just all over the place, lol

The fight wasn't about Miko getting more women

The fight was during a rehearsal when Prince said Miko's guitar was too loud

and Miko told him not to talk to him the way he was

lwr001 said:

PeteSilas said:

he also drop kicked him onstage for breaking a string and did a lot of other more paternal things to mark. in pop life mark says he had such a bad time on the 1999 tour that he wanted to quit mid-tour and he called his momma, started drinking a lot and gained weight. however, he was like 19, when i had my first real job i felt like that too.

wasnt he late coming dfown from hotel room and Prince has the tour bus leave Mark..

wow I never heard this stuff about Prince & BrownMark

I know he did a lot of stuff as a 'joke'

Didn't he have Chick throw Vanity in the pool over something, he talked about it during the Piano Tour

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Some of the same men that are against homosexuality(male) get off on female homosexuality.

Wendy had no issue withthe horns, she was addressing the band set up, she also wasn't cool with having to share the stage with Susannah. So race had nothing to do with it. The band set up wasn't the original and it only happened last minute because the Family broke up. Susannah Eric Jerome Gilber Wally Miko were all the live Family band. I too didn't like how Brownmark was put in the back of the 3 dancers.

I also wonder if Eddie M was originally going to come on as sax player with the Revolution prior to this.

And the recent Revolution concerts. There as no drama, she didn't 'stop Andre from jamming' U just created an unrealistic issue there. She obviously has no issue at all with RnB/Funk when she said she fell in love with Prince when she was dancing to a song called Soft n Wet at a club. She never had a problem with that and loved that stuff.

"There as no drama, she didn't 'stop Andre from jamming' U just created an unrealistic issue there."

I watched this with my own eyes. She stopped when he was jamming his ass off. Also who is she to say how the band line up should go? It was not her band. Prince was her boss. Do you go to work and tell your boss how to run the workplace? She was a habitual line stepper.

You Wendy fans are too much

Oh you are just adding your own drama to that. Your own interpretation.

Those people obviously have a great love for each other, and you trying to insinuate racial issues to mean she doesn't like RnB is ludicrace.

GhostChick said:

I will say this. Wendy and Lisa have always had a lot to say about Prince through the years and most of it wasn't kind.

They are the ones, for me, that seem to keep it real about Prince. Both Wendy and Lisa have kept it real about Prince and how he treats women. How people think he "exalts" women but really he is mean in his relationships with them. And even Prince admitted a few times, that he can be mean OR he has a mean side.

I think that's why when so many ORGers go in on how this person was his soulmate and that person soulmate, I just roll my eyes. I think about how some of those same women he dated would mention something he did to them, something mean BUT they still loved that man? Yeah I give them the side eye too. And I respect the ones that "left" him eventually.

I love Prince as a Musician, an Artist and as an Entertainer BUT I'm not fooled by his obvious mistreatment of a lot of people along the way. Seems like he begin to mellow out as he got in his late 40's. And then who knows how he was even then.

[Edited 9/7/16 6:33am]

What I've read was always kind. It was just straigt forward. I don't think they were being mean at all. Lisa said she thought Prince would make a great 'uncle figure' to her kid and how much she adore him, even though she still said she didn't understand the distance he puts up at times.

.

I suspect it's gotta be weird to not feel like you can talk about 'your life' because a part of it involved Prince. I mean when it comes to real folk that is isn't considered healthy mentally.

OldFriends4Sale said:

GhostChick said:

I liked Wendy and Lisa musically in the band. And again, I always felt they kinda had a more honest view about how he treated women because, well, he wasn't fucking them.

BUT

I also believed that Wendy & Lisa felt like "their era" of when they were with Prince was the best and I also feel like sometimes, they kinda made it seem like they didn't really like it when he would be interested in going in a more R&B/Funk direction. I also kinda felt like Wendy in particular, wasn't feeling that.

but the Funk was always there, was always what they jammed. I don't think back then the band ever really did straight out RnB? But the music was so fused and was so particularly Prince back then. I don't think they had a problem with it. I mean again Wendy fell in love with Prince when she heard Soft n Wet
Prince music was Funk Rock Folk New Wave RnB Jazzish back then all the time

I know Funk was always there.

I said that "I also believed". I didn't just get this from some interview they did recently. This is something I have felt since 1988.

That's what YOU read. And people can interpret things in different ways.

OldFriends4Sale said:

GhostChick said:

I will say this. Wendy and Lisa have always had a lot to say about Prince through the years and most of it wasn't kind.

They are the ones, for me, that seem to keep it real about Prince. Both Wendy and Lisa have kept it real about Prince and how he treats women. How people think he "exalts" women but really he is mean in his relationships with them. And even Prince admitted a few times, that he can be mean OR he has a mean side.

I think that's why when so many ORGers go in on how this person was his soulmate and that person soulmate, I just roll my eyes. I think about how some of those same women he dated would mention something he did to them, something mean BUT they still loved that man? Yeah I give them the side eye too. And I respect the ones that "left" him eventually.

I love Prince as a Musician, an Artist and as an Entertainer BUT I'm not fooled by his obvious mistreatment of a lot of people along the way. Seems like he begin to mellow out as he got in his late 40's. And then who knows how he was even then.

[Edited 9/7/16 6:33am]

What I've read was always kind. It was just straigt forward. I don't think they were being mean at all. Lisa said she thought Prince would make a great 'uncle figure' to her kid and how much she adore him, even though she still said she didn't understand the distance he puts up at times.

.

I suspect it's gotta be weird to not feel like you can talk about 'your life' because a part of it involved Prince. I mean when it comes to real folk that is isn't considered healthy mentally

I'll post the stuff. It seems clear cut to me.

Prince said in an 1998 interview that Lisa was not an 'exposive' keyboard player (said the same about ) and people said 'ah Prince is being mean' but he wasn't he was just talking about blow out solos. But right after that that he said Lisa playing and that he could sing with her playing with straight soul

Lisa was never an explosive keyboard player, but she was a master of color in her harmonies; I could sing off of what she had with straight soul.

GhostChick said:

That's what YOU read. And people can interpret things in different ways.

OldFriends4Sale said:

What I've read was always kind. It was just straigt forward. I don't think they were being mean at all. Lisa said she thought Prince would make a great 'uncle figure' to her kid and how much she adore him, even though she still said she didn't understand the distance he puts up at times.

.

I suspect it's gotta be weird to not feel like you can talk about 'your life' because a part of it involved Prince. I mean when it comes to real folk that is isn't considered healthy mentally

GhostChick said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

but the Funk was always there, was always what they jammed. I don't think back then the band ever really did straight out RnB? But the music was so fused and was so particularly Prince back then. I don't think they had a problem with it. I mean again Wendy fell in love with Prince when she heard Soft n Wet
Prince music was Funk Rock Folk New Wave RnB Jazzish back then all the time

I know Funk was always there.

I said that "I also believed". I didn't just get this from some interview they did recently. This is something I have felt since 1988.

It's just a feeling though. They love Prince music which includes all that stuff

What would Dance 4 Me fall under from Mnsound/LotusFlow3r?

OldFriends4Sale said:

GhostChick said:

I know Funk was always there.

I said that "I also believed". I didn't just get this from some interview they did recently. This is something I have felt since 1988.

It's just a feeling though. They love Prince music which includes all that stuff

What would Dance 4 Me fall under from Mnsound/LotusFlow3r?

I guess I can't explain what I mean. Forget it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'll post the stuff. It seems clear cut to me.

Prince said in an 1998 interview that Lisa was not an 'exposive' keyboard player (said the same about ) and people said 'ah Prince is being mean' but he wasn't he was just talking about blow out solos. But right after that that he said Lisa playing and that he could sing with her playing with straight soul

Lisa was never an explosive keyboard player, but she was a master of color in her harmonies; I could sing off of what she had with straight soul.

GhostChick said:

That's what YOU read. And people can interpret things in different ways.

Again, I might not be explaining myself correctly so forget it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

--- I never said it was racial. You did. You cannot like a certain style of music and it has nothing to do with race. You still did not answer my question about how out place she was trying to tell her boss what to do with his band.

lwr001 said:

PeteSilas said:

he also drop kicked him onstage for breaking a string and did a lot of other more paternal things to mark. in pop life mark says he had such a bad time on the 1999 tour that he wanted to quit mid-tour and he called his momma, started drinking a lot and gained weight. however, he was like 19, when i had my first real job i felt like that too.

wasnt he late coming dfown from hotel room and Prince has the tour bus leave Mark..

ya, that too, i read all those stories in Pop Life by Dave Hill. if that guys' still around he should do a revised version to include the intervening years, I still think his book was the best, only it's so dated, lovesexy is the cutoff point but he contacted so many people.

GhostChick said:

rogifan said:

I'm always fascinated by this argument that the ones who don't have nice things to say about Prince are "keeping it real". Huh? Nobody is saying the guy was a saint or had no faults but when I watch Van Jones and others bawling their eyes out on Dr Drew's show talking about things Prince did that the general public might not know about that's real to me. https://youtu.be/tEppqdoSyW8 Total BS that the only people who are "keeping it real" are those who speak about his flaws and negative traits.

No I am not saying that the ones that are keeping it real are the ones talking about his flaws.

However, when it comes to women and his dealings with romantic relationships, yes I do think that Wendy & Lisa keeps it real, when it comes to that topic. I think, for some reason, a lot of female posters on this org will defend Prince about his relationships with certain people. And I'm looking like, really?

Prince was NO saint BUT he did have a mean side to him, in his dealings with some people. And I get that. But I think that for some reason, people are forgetting that or making him seem like he is the victim in a lot of this stuff. A lot of drama, Prince himself created.

But I listen to this man pretty much every day. Before his death. Prince's music was a natural part of the soundtrack of my life. And despite my constant ramblings about how mean he could be, in all honestly, I miss him a lot.

Has Lisa ever really said anything critical of Prince? I think people lump W&L together when it's just Wendy, the mores assertive half, doing all the talking.

PeteSilas said:

Hmm, this is very interesting since Fink studied jazz and took lessons between the ages of around thirteen to his senior year in highschool. And Jazz for the most part is based on inprovisation. Anyway fink got the itch again shortly after he joined Prince.

When Prince found out he was taking lessons he asked him why he was taking jazz lessons and he told Prince that it was because he wanted to improve his technique. And it was at that time that Prince told him that he didnt want a jazz influnced sound coming into the band. But it was probably more likely that he didn't want Finks attention divided between his studies and rehearsal/gigs/tours.

Fink was imho the best keyboardist besides maybe Morris that ever Played with Prince. Of course he probably wasnt a Virtuoso at the time and definitely not on Princes level, but a great keyboardist nevertheless!
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jazzvirtuoso said:

PeteSilas said:

people were upset at that? I read that, it was interesting, I didn't know Fink didn't improv but I believe, not all musicians have the same strengths, i can't improve one bit, not one bit. funny thing about musicians, and I've been around, it's like they can't, not just won't, but can't admit to any shortcomings. I remember one of my teachers getting pissed at me for saying "i don't know if you can improvise" I wasn't knocking him at all, some of the worlds best can't improvise, but musicians, being insecure, arrogant and hypersensitive will always insist they can do everything. I got news for you, no one can do everything, prince was about as good as it gets when it comes to someone doing everything, many of the greats could only do a couple things well and sucked at many others. Anyway, I took that interview as Prince just making valid and realistic points about musicians.

Hmm, this is very interesting since Fink studied jazz and took lessons between the ages of around thirteen to his senior year in highschool. And Jazz for the most part is based on inprovisation. Anyway fink got the itch again shortly after he joined Prince. When Prince found out he was taking lessons he asked him why he was taking jazz lessons and he told Prince that it was because he wanted to improve his technique. And it was at that time that Prince told him that he didnt want a jazz influnced sound coming into the band. But it was probably more likely that he didn't want Finks attention divided between his studies and rehearsal/gigs/tours. Fink was imho the best keyboardist besides maybe Morris that ever Played with Prince. Of course he probably wasnt a Virtuoso at the time and definitely not on Princes level, but a great keyboardist nevertheless! [Edited 9/7/16 22:59pm]

i always thought he was great, like i said though, not everyone has the same strengths. and just because fink took jazz, doesn't mean he can improvise. I took jazz and i'll tell you quite honestly that i would be just as bad, now, 16 years later as I was then. ironic that he told fink he didn't want a jazz sound, prince sound always was, harmonically at least, jazz influenced. musicians are a funny lot, they are fucking hypersensitive so if you asked fink could he improvise, he'd probably say yeah. And no, i don't think he was the best keyboardist, I think several of them were excellent, tommy, renato, lisa, they all are a lot better than me of course, i'm humble for a musician,maybe the only humble one you'll meet, how are you?

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

he was right about mark, he could play that bass, his personality was actually the opposite of what you'd expect, just seemed like a mama's boy, very diffident and shy in the interviews and readings I've done. I've also always thought that Prince had that black self hatred in those years and took it out on mark. black people might sometimes have a lot of enmity for white people but there is often a lot of respect if not outright fear of white people, and so we have tragic phenomenon's like black on black crime where all the shit you're getting dumped on you by society, you take out on each other.

I think it was the Alpha black male thing. Prince wanted to be the baddest brother in that band and he may have been hard on Mark for that reason. I know the story about Miko Weaver and Prince almost getting into a fight because Miko said he was grabbing more woman on the road then Prince and Prince got pissed off at him over it.

i guess that's possible, i've always known other Indians to be more competive with me than they are with the white boys, in fact, i worked for an indian who didn't like it when the girls screamed and promptly tried to humiliate me for it, he wouldn't have done that to the white boys. either way, it's an intraracial dynamic that is sick, mark brown shouldn't have been the last member of the revolution in everything. He got dogged everytime.