lwr001 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

what happened there?

He died on March

Oh right, right

lwr001 said:

PeteSilas said:

that's right, it was taken down, at P's insistence (i think) but it's posted somewhere around the web.

Yep, taken down. When I first read I thought it was an onion article as it came off as so real that Prince couldnt, possibly have answered like that. As an aside,so now fdeluxe are moving forward with the narrative that she was the writer of starfish and coffee. Selling shirts, mugs aND everything else. Wouldn't have had the balls to have done that if skipper was alive

Yeah she would, she is the co creator of the song and has writing credits.

She decided to do it when she realized someone else was doing the same thing. Trying to make money off of the song. So I'm all for her doing it. And anyone else from any time with Prince who were co creator/co writer or the meat of the song came from their lives.

That is like people being upset if the Revolution or NPG wants to see an unreleased album released soon. And people call them money grubbers. Yet bootleggers can make album art cd cases and sell and make money off the same unreleased albums yet no one accuses them of being money grubbers.

OldFriends4Sale said:

lwr001 said:

PeteSilas said: Yep, taken down. When I first read I thought it was an onion article as it came off as so real that Prince couldnt, possibly have answered like that. As an aside,so now fdeluxe are moving forward with the narrative that she was the writer of starfish and coffee. Selling shirts, mugs aND everything else. Wouldn't have had the balls to have done that if skipper was alive

Yeah she would, she is the co creator of the song and has writing credits.

She decided to do it when she realized someone else was doing the same thing. Trying to make money off of the song. So I'm all for her doing it. And anyone else from any time with Prince who were co creator/co writer or the meat of the song came from their lives.

That is like people being upset if the Revolution or NPG wants to see an unreleased album released soon. And people call them money grubbers. Yet bootleggers can make album art cd cases and sell and make money off the same unreleased albums yet no one accuses them of being money grubbers.

Does she have writers credit? Does she own half lthe copywrite on the song? Because Prince would put people's names on the song but they were not registered as co-writers. Has Susan ever received a royalty check? Prince called bootleggers money grubbers all the time. We are seeing the true colors of some of his protegees and maybe Prince was not wrong to cut some of them off.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

jesus, i'd never heard most of that. why would he do those kinds of things, some of the things he did are just abhorent, no other way to describe it. Also, I wonder if anyone has any clue of why he banned the revolution members from even coming to paisley park.

He banned them? when was this?

If he banned them how come Bobby Z said he was out a few years ago. They apparently stayed in touch. I would think after he child died and his marriage went bad he would be in a dark mood.

Honestly some of you act like he was not a human being.

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah she would, she is the co creator of the song and has writing credits.

She decided to do it when she realized someone else was doing the same thing. Trying to make money off of the song. So I'm all for her doing it. And anyone else from any time with Prince who were co creator/co writer or the meat of the song came from their lives.

That is like people being upset if the Revolution or NPG wants to see an unreleased album released soon. And people call them money grubbers. Yet bootleggers can make album art cd cases and sell and make money off the same unreleased albums yet no one accuses them of being money grubbers.

Does she have writers credit? Does she own half lthe copywrite on the song? Because Prince would put people's names on the song but they were not registered as co-writers. Has Susan ever received a royalty check? Prince called bootleggers money grubbers all the time. We are seeing the true colors of some of his protegees and maybe Prince was not wrong to cut some of them off.

yes she has writers credit

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He banned them? when was this?

If he banned them how come Bobby Z said he was out a few years ago. They apparently stayed in touch. I would think after he child died and his marriage went bad he would be in a dark mood.

Honestly some of you act like he was not a human being.

why did U reply to my question to them being banned? I'm asking PeteS when this happened, because I knew nothing of it.

Prince had Wendy Lisa & Susannah performing with him at Paisley Park during a Lovesexy show

he had BrownMark there to do a few songs for his album in 89

he was going to have the Revolution during the PP Celebrations 99 but only Bobby Z Fink and Mark could go

etc etc etc

rogifan said:

lwr001 said:

Just something Wendy said. Quote or it is bullshit

Yep. Give me a quote or I call BS.

Why do U think she would lie about it?

OldFriends4Sale said:

rogifan said:

lwr001 said: Yep. Give me a quote or I call BS.

Why do U think she would lie about it?

Wendy has said some dumb ass shit in the past.

OldFriends4Sale said:

rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Why do U think she would lie about it?

Who knows but she performed with him on Tabis Smiley and at the Brits so it couldn't have bothered him too much that she was a lesbian.

He seems to go up and down about this stuff.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Why do U think she would lie about it?

Wendy has said some dumb ass shit in the past.

like what?
So has Prince 'burqas are fun...'

OldFriends4Sale said:

rogifan said:

Who knows but she performed with him on Tabis Smiley and at the Brits so it couldn't have bothered him too much that she was a lesbian.

He seems to go up and down about this stuff.

Maybe she was going up and down. If someone offends you why keep hanging around them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Wendy has said some dumb ass shit in the past.

like what?
So has Prince 'burqas are fun...'

Her comments about turning the Revolution into a soul revue is just stupid. The base of his music was RnB. Why are you in that band if you do not get it.

Her fancy lesibian comments WTF

Bitching at your boss and being shocked when you are actually fired.

To be gay and keep working with someone that you say is homophobic. I doubt he was homophobic she was just one of many lesibians he worked with and maybe she was just the one that got on his last nevre.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

like what?
So has Prince 'burqas are fun...'

Her comments about turning the Revolution into a soul revue is just stupid. The base of his music was RnB. Why are you in that band if you do not get it.

Her fancy lesibian comments WTF

Bitching at your boss and being shocked when you are actually fired.

To be gay and keep working with someone that you say is homophobic. I doubt he was homophobic she was just one of many lesibians he worked with and maybe she was just the one that got on his last nevre.

2 different things. Prince said from the start he never wanted to be catagorized. She wasn't talking about the music obviously. I mean on the Parade tour they were doing music from Controversy 1999 Purple Rain ATWIAD & Parade.

I believe Lisa called him a fansy lesbian and this is the context they had it in:Wendy Melvoin: I remember being at that “Sexuality” video shoot and him on stage with that little black jacket and that tie thing around his neck and his black pants with white buttons on the side. And we looked at each other for the first time and I thought, “Oh, I could so fall in love with that girl easy.” It doesn’t matter what sexuality, gender you are. You’re in the room with him and he gives you that look and you’re like, “Okay, I’m done. It’s over.” He’s Casanova. He’s Valentino.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He seems to go up and down about this stuff.

Maybe she was going up and down. If someone offends you why keep hanging around them.

Maybe they both were, that is what happens in relationships.

TOMMY BARBARELLA: Our last real long conversation was a spiritual discussion that went awry. It left kind of a bad taste in my mouth. He’s just not interested in things that aren’t in accordance with his views. He likes to argue, and he likes to win the argument, which is why [his current religion] seems to work well for him. But he’s searching, trying to make sense of it all, trying to get right with God. I’m cool with it as long as I don’t get into an argument with him, because he’s a very persuasive speaker. I sat up in his office the day after his name change. He talked for about three hours, explaining to me what it meant and why. I walked out of there feeling pretty good. It made sense to me. Later that night, I was like, “What? Wait a minute. What did he say?”

Morningstarlet said:

PeteSilas said:

i recently read in alan lights book that wendy said the beginning of the end was when Prince caught wendy walking in public with a beer, he chewed her out, and as such, tifs and grievances begin. I think there was also the issue of sexuality with prince screaming to W&L that they would "rot in hell" for being lesbians and then we have Prince's ever blackening his music with horns and Wendy saying it sounded like a soul revue. Like I said, it's pretty simple, with a band, each person wants more and more and more until things reach the breaking point. guarantee you wendy wouldn't have been bithching about anything when she was first hired, she'd never even played a gig right? Prince was a bit of a dick about song credits on sott, he erased some of their work if lore is to be believed.

And he also cut her pay $500.00 for drinking in public. Yes, that was pretty much the end.

[Edited 9/5/16 19:03pm]

“Under the Cherry Moon” had its premiere in July 1986 in Sheridan, Wyo. — a site chosen in an MTV contest.

WENDY MELVOIN: It was like being on Mars. I don’t know if it was the greatest marketing scheme, [but] the show at the Holiday Inn was fierce. That night I had a huge blowout with Prince. I was at the bar having a beer with Joni Mitchell. An interviewer came up to me and the next day in some paper, it said: “Wendy from Prince and the Revolution answering blah blah blah while nursing a Budweiser.” Prince pulled me upstairs and read me out about being an example to kids. I was completely floored. It felt like something else was wrong here. It’s not about me drinking a beer.

“Cherry” was a bomb with critics and filmgoers. Prince’s last show with the Revolution came in September at Yokohama Stadium in Japan.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

If he banned them how come Bobby Z said he was out a few years ago. They apparently stayed in touch. I would think after he child died and his marriage went bad he would be in a dark mood.

Honestly some of you act like he was not a human being.

why did U reply to my question to them being banned? I'm asking PeteS when this happened, because I knew nothing of it.

Prince had Wendy Lisa & Susannah performing with him at Paisley Park during a Lovesexy show

he had BrownMark there to do a few songs for his album in 89

he was going to have the Revolution during the PP Celebrations 99 but only Bobby Z Fink and Mark could go

etc etc etc

i read it somewhere, maybe even on here, it's hard to remember when you read from so many different sources. the revolution was not allowed into paisley park, i thought that was fairly well known here, i guess not. and i don't know the time frames of that or when it began or ended.

did a quick search and all i could find on here was that mark was banned from 90-94 for some reason, it may have been in Alan Lights book that I read that the revolution was banned. to my knowledge, he never had a problem with fink or bobby, brown mark had a million grievances and it sounded like Prince was talking about him in that deleted interview when he said someone sold a coat of his that was stolen during the purple rain shoot. of course wendy and lisa had a million grievances.

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

why did U reply to my question to them being banned? I'm asking PeteS when this happened, because I knew nothing of it.

Prince had Wendy Lisa & Susannah performing with him at Paisley Park during a Lovesexy show

he had BrownMark there to do a few songs for his album in 89

he was going to have the Revolution during the PP Celebrations 99 but only Bobby Z Fink and Mark could go

etc etc etc

i read it somewhere, maybe even on here, it's hard to remember when you read from so many different sources. the revolution was not allowed into paisley park, i thought that was fairly well known here, i guess not. and i don't know the time frames of that or when it began or ended.

I did read that there was a period he didn't want anyone saying any of their names. I don't know if that is what it was,

But I know he was still talking to Lisa & Wendy while they were recording their first album and talking to them about the video for Waterfalls.
Also had W L & Susannah on stage with the band during the Lovesexy years @ Paisley Park

I wonder if with Brownmark it was that he was never paid for for the movie Purple Rain? I think that all was finalized in the early mid-90s

BASS PLAYER
November, 1999

His Highness Gets Down!
By Karl Coryat

Starting with 1982’s 1999, Prince began crediting a band, the Revolution, on his recordings. Though he still played many of the parts, over the next few albums the Revolution played an increasingly important role. "I wanted community more than anything else. These days if I have Rhonda [S., formerly The Artist’s primary live bassist] play on something, she’ll bring in her Jaco influence, which is something I wouldn’t add if I played it myself. I did listen to Jaco -- I love his Joni Mitchell stuff -- but I never wanted to play like him." The Artist still raves about the original Revolution bassist, Brown Mark (who took over for Andre Simone), calling him the tightest bass player next to Graham himself.

he was right about mark, he could play that bass, his personality was actually the opposite of what you'd expect, just seemed like a mama's boy, very diffident and shy in the interviews and readings I've done. I've also always thought that Prince had that black self hatred in those years and took it out on mark. black people might sometimes have a lot of enmity for white people but there is often a lot of respect if not outright fear of white people, and so we have tragic phenomenon's like black on black crime where all the shit you're getting dumped on you by society, you take out on each other.

PeteSilas said:

he was right about mark, he could play that bass, his personality was actually the opposite of what you'd expect, just seemed like a mama's boy, very diffident and shy in the interviews and readings I've done. I've also always thought that Prince had that black self hatred in those years and took it out on mark. black people might sometimes have a lot of enmity for white people but there is often a lot of respect if not outright fear of white people, and so we have tragic phenomenon's like black on black crime where all the shit you're getting dumped on you by society, you take out on each other.

A shy person or a more withdrawn person (and bass players for some reason always seem to be like that) in the company of someone like Prince who like to kid people and mess with, I always thought Prince had a 'maternal' covering of Mark

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

he was right about mark, he could play that bass, his personality was actually the opposite of what you'd expect, just seemed like a mama's boy, very diffident and shy in the interviews and readings I've done. I've also always thought that Prince had that black self hatred in those years and took it out on mark. black people might sometimes have a lot of enmity for white people but there is often a lot of respect if not outright fear of white people, and so we have tragic phenomenon's like black on black crime where all the shit you're getting dumped on you by society, you take out on each other.

A shy person or a more withdrawn person (and bass players for some reason always seem to be like that) in the company of someone like Prince who like to kid people and mess with, I always thought Prince had a 'maternal' covering of Mark

he also drop kicked him onstage for breaking a string and did a lot of other more paternal things to mark. in pop life mark says he had such a bad time on the 1999 tour that he wanted to quit mid-tour and he called his momma, started drinking a lot and gained weight. however, he was like 19, when i had my first real job i felt like that too.

sonshine said:

He was a complicated individual for sure. He lived in a bubble. His version of reality was a bit skewed. His behavior in the 90's could make me squirm at times. All the women he simultaneously was screwing. Living in the Minneapolis area you meet folks over the years who have personal Prince stories. Some of them are heartwarming. For example his amazing generosity and kindness when a random employee at PP lost a family member. Some of them are shocking. For example his at times complete lack of appreciation for the things people did for him. I tried not to get too wrapped up in all that and just worship him from a safe distance. I do believe he passed without resolving some misdeeds done to others. But that was his choice. Disappointing sure, but he was a grown man, with ample intelligence to make up his own mind about how to live his life. I respect that. His boyhood and family situation was chaotic. He gets a bit of a pass for that as well in my book.

I agree with most of this. Except for the part about his boyhood and family situation. Yes, it affected him but plenty of people have had worse childhoods and have risen above the ashes. When you become an adult, a lot of the decisions are based on your previous experiences as an Adult. It doesn't always have to go back to the "childhood".

But to be honest, a lot of us will pass without resolving some misdeed we've done to other people. And perhaps we are holding on to misdeeds done to us.

I definetely agree with liking him from afar. It's safer that way.

I will say this. Wendy and Lisa have always had a lot to say about Prince through the years and most of it wasn't kind.

They are the ones, for me, that seem to keep it real about Prince. Both Wendy and Lisa have kept it real about Prince and how he treats women. How people think he "exalts" women but really he is mean in his relationships with them. And even Prince admitted a few times, that he can be mean OR he has a mean side.

I think that's why when so many ORGers go in on how this person was his soulmate and that person soulmate, I just roll my eyes. I think about how some of those same women he dated would mention something he did to them, something mean BUT they still loved that man? Yeah I give them the side eye too. And I respect the ones that "left" him eventually.

I love Prince as a Musician, an Artist and as an Entertainer BUT I'm not fooled by his obvious mistreatment of a lot of people along the way. Seems like he begin to mellow out as he got in his late 40's. And then who knows how he was even then.

[Edited 9/7/16 6:33am]

GhostChick said:

I will say this. Wendy and Lisa have always had a lot to say about Prince through the years and most of it wasn't kind.

They are the ones, for me, that seem to keep it real about Prince. Both Wendy and Lisa have kept it real about Prince and how he treats women. How people think he "exalts" women but really he is mean in his relationships with them. And even Prince admitted a few times, that he can be mean OR he has a mean side.

I think that's why when so many ORGers go in on how this person was his soulmate and that person was his soulmate and then some of those same women would mention something he did to them, something mean BUT they still loved that man? Yeah I give them the side eye too. And I respect the ones that "left" him eventually.

I love Prince as a Musician, an Artist and as an Entertainer BUT I'm not fooled by his obvious mistreatment of a lot of people along the way. Seems like he begin to mellow out as he got in his late 40's. And then who knows how he was even then.

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He surived he the music industry for almost 40 years. Do you think he did that by being nice? As far as the woman are concerned do not be naive some of them were hanging around to get something out of him. I am sure he never forced any of these grown ass woman to do something they did not want to do. I am also sure he had some real relationships that we the public will never know about at all. Wendy and Lisa would not have had a carreer without Prince and what was going in his personal life really was none of their business.