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Reply #60 posted 09/05/16 2:26pm

rightbluecheek

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jayseajay said:



disch said:




GimmeThat said:


jayseajay said: Exactly!

I agree. It's eye-opening to me that some people see drug use as such a moral issue, and that they set up all kind of black-and-white categories to justify or condemn it (e.g., physical pain-killing vs. emotional pain-killing; doctor prescribed vs. self-medicating, etc.).

We are all human, including Prince. Someone can be "anti-drug," however that's defined, and still take drugs, even illegal ones (hell, I'm "anti-junk-food," and still find myself eating the stuff almost every day). Or they can believe/do something at one time, and 30 years later, believe/do something entirely different. Life and people are confounding like that.



Yeah, I've also found it really eye-opening (and not in a good way)...I don't know if it's an American vs. Non-American/European thing...but I don't come from a place where the people around me are so set on doing exactly what you say, setting up all kinds of distinctions to try and separate the 'good' from the 'bad.' I don't think recreational drug use is morally bad per se. I do think becoming addicted to drugs is bad, but not from a moral perspective, from the perspective that it often ends up wrecking your life and the lives of people aorund you...but it's not a moral failing, it's self-medication, and that deserves compassion, whatever the source. I have no problem with the fact that Prince was 'anti-drugs'...his sister was a drug-addict, and so were several people he really cared about, and it killed Denise in the end, so he had every reason to want to stay away from it (and as I wrote elsewhere, going by his relationship to music, Prince had a propensity to develop addictive behaviour, so it was very wise of him to stay away from addictive substances most of his life)....but it's not necessarily clear that that was a moral judgment, rather than just a judgment about harm. Maybe he bought the bullshit Big Pharma was peddling that you couldn't get addicted if opiates were prescribed for legitimate pain. I cannot for the life of me understand how that ever washed with anyone....but maybe it makes sense within the moral distinctions which seem to have been set up in the US. In Europe that never happened, we never had a 'war on drugs,' and no-one would ever had beleived that only 'bad' people could get addicted if they took opiates for the 'wrong' reasons. It just makes me really sad. It makes me so sad that the US is now in the grip of this epidemic, and that at the same time it has the most moralistic attitudes, and that is a terrible lethal combination of addiction and shame, and it killed our beloved boy sad

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Reading your post, which I completely subscribe, has made me think about what Prince himself could have thought if he would have read what was said about this. I guess this reaction (good vs bad) was one of the things he feared the most, because he himself has been immersed in this way of thinking, even if he struggled all his life to be a free thinker, and succeeded to some extent, but deep inside he kept this judgment (moralistic) thing going on, especially towards himself. On the positive side, I think he would be glad and relieved by the fact that at least part of his so called fams are able to let go of the same judgement part. America has a big big problem, and I'm glad we in Europe at least do not have this particular one.
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Reply #61 posted 09/05/16 2:36pm

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Kara said:

disch said:
No, makes no difference to me. What matters to me -- or rather, what haunts me -- is where his drug/medication/whatever-your-preferred-word-is use ended: with his death. At the end of his life, he was self-medicating to try to overcome some significant challenge, and was hiding his behavior, along with his underlying struggles, from those close to him (and the public), which speaks to shame and a fear of judgment. That, to me, is heart-wrenching and just tragic, no matter the specifics of his struggles.
I agree. Thinking of this just tears me up.

Especially the word tragic makes me tear up. If this is what happened, it made him a very lonely and desperate man. Heart-wrenching indeed! For me, it is really important to know what really happened, so I can deal with that, instead of all the gossip and what-ifs!

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Reply #62 posted 09/05/16 3:16pm

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No. It can't. Not something I saw in him throughout the years. He's gone now. Can't change my thoughts or opinions of him. He gave and that's most important.
"I don't make the rules. I just play"
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Reply #63 posted 09/05/16 3:46pm

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Makes NO Difference...Still heart him and always will.

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Reply #64 posted 09/07/16 4:55pm

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trc1 said:

No. It can't. Not something I saw in him throughout the years. He's gone now. Can't change my thoughts or opinions of him. He gave and that's most important.

Well said! smile

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Reply #65 posted 09/07/16 5:06pm

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If Prince's drug use was initiated by physical pain, or if his drug use was initiated by anything other than physical pain?



Sure it makes a difference. Does it mean I won't like him anymore? No. But yeah it'll change how I hear things he said. In fact it's already happening.

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Reply #66 posted 09/07/16 5:06pm

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sro100 said:

If Prince's drug use was initiated by physical pain, or if his drug use was initiated by anything other than physical pain?

i love prince even though there is a good chance he was human, like all of us

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Reply #67 posted 09/08/16 6:47am

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I've been reading that Europe is catching up, or possibly just now being properly studied, to the U.S. in terms of prescription drug abuse. And there is most definitely a hypocritical attitude among prescription drug users. I see it from online posters who reside across the world - Me? Nope, I don't do drugs, baby and don't tolerate those who do! Drug free here...O wait, lemme get this refill on my coffee, thanks, I have to go to the local drug store to fill this prescription and I am just wiped out. What were we talking about? Oh, yes, drugs. I don't do them.


Huh? The self-awareness of some people can be a dim bulb, no question. But to answer the question, no I don't care why or how long Prince was doing drugs. It only matters because it killed him. I wish that wouldn't have happend sad

You hit the nail on the head right there! My own mother was an opiod abuser for nearly 30 yrs mainly muscle relaxers and such. This to my knowledge began in 1986 when her twin brother was shot and killed, then her mother was diagnosed with brain cancer and died 5 yrs later, her grandfather who helped raise her died just 2 months after her twin brother was shot and killed from breast cancer, our home and all of our belongings was lost in a house fire and my dad back then was a very angry and abusive man, her father was a raging alcoholic that her and all her siblings recieved beating at his hands when he got drunk. She took the opiods not to curb physical pain but to curb a heart so broken and damaged emotionallyt that I don't believe she felt she could function in life. I spent years angry at my mother for putting her opoids and such ahead of us kids but looking back now that I"m grown I understand it better and every time I think of her or anyone else that are on opiods I look down in my hand and see a lit cigarette and a huge mug of coffee! I realize I"m just as addicted to 2 of the most legal and widespread drugs in the world! My caffiene addiction nearly killed me twice before I was 18. years later when my own hellish marriage at the time came to a cross roads I found myself smoking cigs and drinking coffee and any thing with caffeine that I can get my hands on! These days I don't consume as much of the cigs and caffeine and my health has improved because of it but I'm still addicted. I'm typing this while having a large mug of coffee sitting here near my hand. In closing when you say it matters to you in how you view someone please take a moment to look around. What vices or addictions do you possess? This is not to be judgemental but reflective as I have had to come to terms with the same reflection recerntly.

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Reply #68 posted 09/09/16 2:41am

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listen listen to me we cannot give away our beloved kid noway never we love him so much he was an adult we respect him for all gave to us he and only he knew the reason of why do that and nobody else honesty ..... ...........

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Reply #69 posted 09/09/16 3:02am

smaragdatsapat
ori

in ur question the answer is why is now far from us ? that fact hurts me i wanted was here now among us ! i'll try to go to paisley from greece it's a dream i'll do it ....

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Reply #70 posted 09/09/16 6:54am

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No. Everybody's human and nobody is perfect. Addiction can happen to anybody, unfortunatly.

I'm not a human
I am a dove
I'm your conscious
I am love
All I really need is to know that
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