Mumio said:

I do believe this. While I understand that others have different opinions, my opinion is that I don't think this could have ever had any other outcome, regardless of anything that anyone else did or didn't do. It was time. I believe that when people pass, that it IS their time to go whether we like it or not, whether we think it's okay or not. Whether it is the result of accident, chance, deliberation, the taking of a life whether through suicide or murder....whatever, it doesn't matter in the slightest. The end was meant to happen that way and no one can change that.

And here...the still, quiet, gentle voice of reason bestills the distraught soul. Thank you...much needed.

We appreciate your reiterating this personal exchange that you shared timely, earlier.

There is a clarity and wisdom there that not all were (nor have been) willing to hear, for their own selfish, inexplicable reasons.

This matter of certain fanatics rejecting what he was So clearly showing and telling us for many, many months (years, actually) is its own strain of deliusional fanaticism that, unfortunately, we do no have enough psychiatrists among us to properly address.

MrSquiggle said:

Around February or so I was talking to my Dad about recent events with Prince - the intimate piano shows, the fact he was suddenly writing a book, him grieving Vanity openly in his stage banter, talking and dancing with fans at the Melbourne after party - and expressing puzzlement as to what might be going on in his life for him to be being this open all of a sudden. I suggested maybe he had a new girlfriend who was giving him a new lease on life. My dad said, "Do you think he's dying? That's sure what it sounds like to me." This hadn't occurred to me at all. My dad is not especially a fan and has never particularly kept up with Prince like we have. I think this led him to pick up on something that we were missing. Forest for the trees sort of thing. None of us know the whole story but I just feel like this is worth mentioning.

It wasn't a bad premonition.

He was showing us vital system failure over a period of time, that is very obvious to skilled medical professionals as well as lay-persons.

He showed us and told us most explicitly and you received this, even if you didn't want to.

OldFriends4Sale said:

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I had a bad premonition prior to Princes death.

My dad had a bleeding ucer about 7 years ago and he quickly dropped weight, U could see the skin just sagging on his bones. He would just fall down out of no where. He didn't know what it was and the doctors misdiagnosed it as a really bad flu. And he was getting worse. They were giving him medication for a flu. My dad also did not tell him he was bleeding out of his rectum(he did not tell anyone that)

He went to one last doctors visit and by the time he got home there was an ambulance waiting for him. The doctor called them and the police warning them if a car was crashed in a certain area is was probably my dad. His blood was so low he should have been dead. And that could have easily been his last day on earth, if someone didn't check things further.

We definately had to get on him about holding back information. He's the type to try to work through everything.

I thought of this when in connection to Prince

He was putting on a show, on purpose, as always. Control.

Same as the manner of death.

Control.

Morningstarlet said:

tmo1965 said:

Now I don't think that he was still dealing with chronic pain because, if he were, he could have gotten a legitimate prescription for the pain pills.

And, if he was in such chronic pain why was he seen riding his bike a few days before his death? That never made sense to me.

He didn't exactly seek out the best medical guidance, through the most credible channels, throughout the duration of his life from what has been revealved thus far.

Clearly.

Similar to all other professional arenas where folks with degrees and skills were capable of much better service to him that what he got.

sunset3121 said:

tmo1965 said:

Now I don't think that he was still dealing with chronic pain because, if he were, he could have gotten a legitimate prescription for the pain pills.

Drs can't tell if you have pain or not. With an old injury, sometimes the pain persists, sometimes it goes away - it is really hard for a Dr to tell. He could have easily told a story of pain to get pain pills. We know Kornfeld immediately had his son illegaly rush over with opiates when P's friends called that night - with that as an example of how Drs responded to P, and bearing in mind he had residences in different countries, I think it would have been easy for him to get a legit source of painkillers from somewhere if he had tried.

funkaholic1972 said:

I have noticed that since Prince's death a lot of people on here seem to be reading way too much into certain pictures etc. and claim for example Prince was ill and knew his death was coming. Or that you could see death in his eyes. People that claim to know that something was wrong with him.

Then there are those who think he was tired of life and actively ended it with opioids. And those who blaim people in his camp (Paisley Park employees, ex-lovers, etc.), saying they didn't care about him (or cared for him) properly. Others blame his family. Etc. Etc. Etc. People often say this with great 'authority', they believe to know Prince so well that they claim to know the truth about the situation, even if it is only 'truth' in their hearts.

Truth (IMO) is that we hardly know anything about Prince, his life and inner circle. And thus I think it is unhealthy and unfair the way some people speculate and blame certain people in the process. Some of the people here seem to be obsessed with Prince and seem to think they have a special relationship with 'their' Prince (false idol). And for example claim that -had it been them caring for Prince- he would not have died (which in my opinion is a delusional fantasy).

I understand people are hurt by his death and in various stages of mourning, which makes people emotional etc. But I am personally pretty astounded and sometimes upset by the wild fantasies, unbased accusations and the judgemental attitude that a quite a few people on here express. Some of the people here are worse than TMZ and other gossip sites.

It would be nice IMO if certain people would reflect on themselves a bit more and try to tone down this behaviour a bit. I am sure a lot of people out of Prince's camp come here regularly, and imagine how it would be to read all this wild speculation and unbased accusations from complete strangers (fans) about people that they actually know and care for in real life.

I believe it is not very respectful or healthy to post stuff like this all over this board. And I hope to see people calm down a bit and tone down a bit. Of course it is good to discuss the loss of Prince as he meant a lot to us as fans. But please try to look at the situation with a bit more distance and please try to avoid wild accusations and disrespectful speculation. Or at least don't bring it with 'authority', like you are actually IN THE KNOW. Fact is almost no one really knows what has happened, except a few close people in his inner circle maybe.

Sorry about this rant, but I feel some on this board could do with a bit more of a healthy perspective. We are just fans, we don't really know Prince, we don't know his friends and inner circle. We don't really know what has happened. We are all upset about Prince's death, but there is no need for wild accusations and disrespectful speculation. All I am asking for is a bit more awareness of your actual relationship with Prince and a bit more respect for those who are in his inner circle.

Peace & Be Wild, folks!

Yes I understand what you're saying and I agree. I know some of the recent pictures have shown he had lost some weight, wasn't as toned, had aged, etc. We have no idea why he lost weight. It could of been from any number of reasons, and it's okay to say well I 'think' maybe this could of been the reason, but to say your speculation is the THE reason and you know it, well that is just false. You did not know the man; you knew his music. You knew what he WANTED you to see and that is it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it is only that....your opinion. It is not fair to blame his people who were around him. You cannot force someone to do something. You can try to but it won't work. I know. Believe me, I know. You don't know what those close to him tried or didn't try.

I actually agree with OP post. It's true.

You do not know Prince. You know what he wanted you to know which is his image. There's a big difference between a man and an image.

People are allowed to speculate all they want. That's been going on long before he passed. Elements of his death, like his life, will remain a mystery. Of course, some people want to feel like they're a part of his world, because his music provided that window. People say a lot of things when they're grieving. Some of those things aren't even believable to the individual saying them as time passes. If that's what they choose to believe in their hearts, then so be it. Life is hard. Death is hard. In some instances, Prince's death was such a visceral blow to some fans, because it might've a represented direct reflection of personal turmoil they have experienced in their lives. Banging on a keyboard may be their only "healthy" release of grief and anger without the embarrassment of explaining it to strangers, co-workers and/or friends/relatives. More perspective will come in time. Keep in mind, it's only been several months. There's really no expiration date for feelings like this. When it happens, it happens.

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StopIt said:

We appreciate your reiterating this personal exchange that you shared timely, earlier.

There is a clarity and wisdom there that not all were (nor have been) willing to hear, for their own selfish, inexplicable reasons.

This matter of certain fanatics rejecting what he was So clearly showing and telling us for many, many months (years, actually) is its own strain of deliusional fanaticism that, unfortunately, we do no have enough psychiatrists among us to properly address.

MrSquiggle said:

Around February or so I was talking to my Dad about recent events with Prince - the intimate piano shows, the fact he was suddenly writing a book, him grieving Vanity openly in his stage banter, talking and dancing with fans at the Melbourne after party - and expressing puzzlement as to what might be going on in his life for him to be being this open all of a sudden. I suggested maybe he had a new girlfriend who was giving him a new lease on life. My dad said, "Do you think he's dying? That's sure what it sounds like to me." This hadn't occurred to me at all. My dad is not especially a fan and has never particularly kept up with Prince like we have. I think this led him to pick up on something that we were missing. Forest for the trees sort of thing. None of us know the whole story but I just feel like this is worth mentioning.

I appreciate it. I found it baffling how people were trying to argue Prince had no clue what was coming. As if he just passed out on the plane, completely no idea he had a worsening serious health condition. If it turns out my dad's hunch was wrong, and Prince really had no clue, but he did die for other reasons? That seems pretty unlikely to me.

" bearing in mind he had residences in different countries, I think it would have been easy for him to get a legit source of painkillers from somewhere if he had tried."

Anyone who is sufficiently motivated and has the money can get whatever drug they want.