laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Who is 'we'. You're weird.

You have written an entire page of total fucking nonsense. Going so far as to give Prince a social anxiety disorder with no proof whatsoever but something from a dumb ass tabloid which cannot explain how a 30 year user of Fentanyl ( which was not made avalible to the public until the 90s ) was able to function and live to see 57. Oh and the Medical Examiner who is telling you that there is no proof of long term use of this drug in his system, test from his hair or his test from the day before are showing Fentanyl use but the tabloid knows better.

Your post can be deleated and they should be. You are lucky I am not a mod because you would be out of here.

And you sent an orgnote saying the same thing, that my post should be deleted. How original, a bit like your orgname. Strange considering how often it is you throw personal insults at other people.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

I believe with all of my heart he used a gopher. I am not sure that gopher knew he was getting the wrong stuff and we do know that drug dealers have been found with pill stampers and they are selling people pills saying they are one thing when they are something else. There are a few articles out about this.

Laura, but wouldn't that mean that the person would try to clean up afterwards? I mean, whoever was getting him these illegal pills was pretty close to him, a trusted person. So wouldn't that person try to get rid of the pills found on him and on his dressing room? Just thinking out loud here...

That is the thing that does not seem right. Take a paranoid non trusting person like Prince. He is doing something illegal but he has pills that can be found easily by the cops. He has pills lying open in a bag? I can see a safe, vault or even a fake floor. After the plane incident the police could come into Paisley Park with a search warrent at any time. Even the story about him having a bunch of pills on the plane sounds crazy. I mean the police in Moline were not called or in Minneapolis did the hospital just give him back a bunch of pills ( not sure if I believe this part of the story or the pills were not illegal for him to have )

I mentioned before and got shot down that the police did not search Paisley Park until early May.

The family and who knows who else would have had access to the building. Why were pills still even in his private living quarters. I cannot believe no one went to his private living quarters for weeks at a time.

Why would someone not clean up even if he was alone that night? Someone close to him had to know about those pills. Maybe not everyone in his circle but someone.

sunset3121 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

yeah Prince looks so AT EASE during the interview afterwards. Jeezzz!!! Can't be nerves, must've been his cocksure defiance

LOL

Yes, Pepe and Dez's stories contradict. One of them is not telling the truth. P sure did look nervous in that interview and rarely came across as relaxed in any TV interview. The performances were different though. He even coped with the guitar strap breaking and having to change plans mid set very smoothly. The guy just didn't seem to like talking to strangers much - especially Clarke.

this is what prince said about the dick clark interview, which is exactley what i said before laura richardson told me i needed to do my research because i am new to this site. not new to prince, have almost every album and was lucky enough to have been to 16 concerts over the years..............

PRINCE (Star Tribune interview, 1980): That tripped me out when Dick Clark asked how I come from Minneapolis, of all places. That really gave me an attitude. TV personalities are hard to talk to. They come out of certain bags. Music is music. A place is a place.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

You have written an entire page of total fucking nonsense. Going so far as to give Prince a social anxiety disorder with no proof whatsoever but something from a dumb ass tabloid which cannot explain how a 30 year user of Fentanyl ( which was not made avalible to the public until the 90s ) was able to function and live to see 57. Oh and the Medical Examiner who is telling you that there is no proof of long term use of this drug in his system, test from his hair or his test from the day before are showing Fentanyl use but the tabloid knows better.

Your post can be deleated and they should be. You are lucky I am not a mod because you would be out of here.

And you sent an orgnote saying the same thing, that my post should be deleted. How original, a bit like your orgname. Strange considering how often it is you throw personal insults at other people.

Take what I have to say as the truth. You really do not think there is anything wrong with what you have been typing on this topic? Are you Claire Boyd or one of the other people making claims against the estate?

sunset3121 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

yeah Prince looks so AT EASE during the interview afterwards. Jeezzz!!! Can't be nerves, must've been his cocksure defiance

LOL

Yes, Pepe and Dez's stories contradict. One of them is not telling the truth. P sure did look nervous in that interview and rarely came across as relaxed in any TV interview. The performances were different though. He even coped with the guitar strap breaking and having to change plans mid set very smoothly. The guy just didn't seem to like talking to strangers much - especially Clarke.

If you read the biographies that will shed some light on Prince's supposed social awkwardness growing up. The baskeball anecdote for one. No doubt some people on here will automatically dismiss it as nonsense.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

sunset3121 said:

Yes, Pepe and Dez's stories contradict. One of them is not telling the truth. P sure did look nervous in that interview and rarely came across as relaxed in any TV interview. The performances were different though. He even coped with the guitar strap breaking and having to change plans mid set very smoothly. The guy just didn't seem to like talking to strangers much - especially Clarke.

this is what prince said about the dick clark interview, which is exactley what i said before laura richardson told me i needed to do my research because i am new to this site. not new to prince, have almost every album and was lucky enough to have been to 16 concerts over the years..............

PRINCE (Star Tribune interview, 1980): That tripped me out when Dick Clark asked how I come from Minneapolis, of all places. That really gave me an attitude. TV personalities are hard to talk to. They come out of certain bags. Music is music. A place is a place.

Dez had also said that in the green room he told everyone he was going to give Dick a hard time. He made it clear he did not care for Dick Clark before they got out on the stage. He does not look nevous he had that arrogant fuck you face on. Even Alan Leeds has said Prince showed people the side he wanted to show you. You almost never got the real persona.

What does going to 16 concerts have to do with the price of peas?

fortuneandserendipity said:

sunset3121 said:

Yes, Pepe and Dez's stories contradict. One of them is not telling the truth. P sure did look nervous in that interview and rarely came across as relaxed in any TV interview. The performances were different though. He even coped with the guitar strap breaking and having to change plans mid set very smoothly. The guy just didn't seem to like talking to strangers much - especially Clarke.

If you read the biographies that will shed some light on Prince's supposed social awkwardness growing up. The baskeball anecdote for one. No doubt some people on here will automatically dismiss it as nonsense.

No he could just be a dick head at times and was probaly an introvert.

jayseajay said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

I believe with all of my heart he used a gopher. I am not sure that gopher knew he was getting the wrong stuff and we do know that drug dealers have been found with pill stampers and they are selling people pills saying they are one thing when they are something else. There are a few articles out about this.

[img:$uid]http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/gordon-gopher.jpg?w=620&h=372&crop=1[/img:$uid]

Loved Gordon the Gopher when I was a kid.

1Sasha said:

Carly Simon - stage fright. Barbra Streisand - stage fright. I am sure there have been and are many others who are nervous waiting to go on stage, and then once they do, they make it through the show.I never thought Prince was like that; maybe "the girls" could tell us if they saw it back in the 80s. In any case, he wasn't "done," and it's a damn shame he is gone.

Amen.

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

this is what prince said about the dick clark interview, which is exactley what i said before laura richardson told me i needed to do my research because i am new to this site. not new to prince, have almost every album and was lucky enough to have been to 16 concerts over the years..............

PRINCE (Star Tribune interview, 1980): That tripped me out when Dick Clark asked how I come from Minneapolis, of all places. That really gave me an attitude. TV personalities are hard to talk to. They come out of certain bags. Music is music. A place is a place.

Dez had also said that in the green room he told everyone he was going to give Dick a hard time. He made it clear he did not care for Dick Clark before they got out on the stage. He does not look nevous he had that arrogant fuck you face on. Even Alan Leeds has said Prince showed people the side he wanted to show you. You almost never got the real persona.

What does going to 16 concerts have to do with the price of peas?

My close encounters with Prince, he seemed normal...backstage at RNRHOF, i witnessed 3 feet from me, Prince, Michael, Jermaine, george clinton, mavis and barry Gibb in an animated , very funny conversation,.. seemed perfectly normal to me.. At Nellsin NYC when sister was at DefJam ,he and Veronica Webb where there whom my sis is good friends with ,.,..she chatted a bit with them both , nothing out of the ordinary...Granted this was in the 90's

[Edited 8/24/16 5:38am]

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

Dez had also said that in the green room he told everyone he was going to give Dick a hard time. He made it clear he did not care for Dick Clark before they got out on the stage. He does not look nevous he had that arrogant fuck you face on. Even Alan Leeds has said Prince showed people the side he wanted to show you. You almost never got the real persona.

What does going to 16 concerts have to do with the price of peas?

My close encounters with Prince, he seemed normal...backstage at RNRHOF, i witnessed 3 feet from me, Prince, Michael, Jermaine, george clinton, mavis and barry Gibb in an animated , very funny conversation,.. seemed perfectly normal to me.. At Nellsin NYC when sister was at DefJam ,he and Veronica Webb where there whom my sis is good friends with ,.,..she chatted a bit with them both , nothing out of the ordinary...Granted this was in the 90's

[Edited 8/24/16 5:38am]

i'll add Prince sent sister a thnak you card as she use to send him rough copies of the Def Comedy Jam while he was on tour..he then sent her a rough of Sexy MF and a card that thanked her and signed it, keep shaking that ass, Prince

purplerabbithole said:

BobGeorge909 said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

I believe with all of my heart he used a gopher. I am not sure that gopher knew he was getting the wrong stuff and we do know that drug dealers have been found with pill stampers and they are selling people pills saying they are one thing when they are something else. There are a few articles out about this.

Laura, but wouldn't that mean that the person would try to clean up afterwards? I mean, whoever was getting him these illegal pills was pretty close to him, a trusted person. So wouldn't that person try to get rid of the pills found on him and on his dressing room? Just thinking out loud here...

MMJas, I hope you don't mind me trying to tackle your query.

If you are talking about his staff at the death scene cleaning up, they were in the presence of a third party witness, the Kornfeld son, who had just called 911 and all knew police and paramedics would be at the scene in minutes. Attempting to clean up in those few minutes would lead only to an arrest (if they could even think about such a thing upon the shock of finding the body).

If you are talking about cleaning up at some point after police and paramedics had arrived - that would not have been possible either as police were in charge of the scene at that point and conducting a formal search. Again, interference would have simply lead to an arrest. And they would have been busy anyway answering police questions and/or calling attorneys. And when the search was done there wasn't much left to clean up - law enforcement had the drugs in hand as well as available security footage. LE may even have scanned the footage before removing it and seen exactly what had happened before ending the search that day. Staff were likely also warned about proper conduct by police and attorney(s), and their rights to enter the property, whatever they were, had now changed because Prince was no longer their employer/in charge. There may even have been crime scene tape left behind to secure certain areas and keep them off limits, for instance to those at the initial memorial.

If you are talking about cleaning up prior to that, while Prince was alive - just breaking into his private areas and pawing through, taking things... that doesn't sound reasonable imo for anyone who wanted to remain employed for even one more day (unless they planned to also take up blackmail and rack up more reasons for future prison time). And again, there were security cameras and who knows what other protections for such things.

lwr001 said:

lwr001 said:

Eileen said:

laurarichardson said:

Eileen said:

MMJas said:

Laura, but wouldn't that mean that the person would try to clean up afterwards? I mean, whoever was getting him these illegal pills was pretty close to him, a trusted person. So wouldn't that person try to get rid of the pills found on him and on his dressing room? Just thinking out loud here...

MMJas, I hope you don't mind me trying to tackle your query.

If you are talking about his staff at the death scene cleaning up, they were in the presence of a third party witness, the Kornfeld son, who had just called 911 and all knew police and paramedics would be at the scene in minutes. Attempting to clean up in those few minutes would lead only to an arrest (if they could even think about such a thing upon the shock of finding the body).

If you are talking about cleaning up at some point after police and paramedics had arrived - that would not have been possible either as police were in charge of the scene at that point and conducting a formal search. Again, interference would have simply lead to an arrest. And they would have been busy anyway answering police questions and/or calling attorneys. And when the search was done there wasn't much left to clean up - law enforcement had the drugs in hand as well as available security footage. LE may even have scanned the footage before removing it and seen exactly what had happened before ending the search that day. Staff were likely also warned about proper conduct by police and attorney(s), and their rights to enter the property, whatever they were, had now changed because Prince was no longer their employer/in charge. There may even have been crime scene tape left behind to secure certain areas and keep them off limits, for instance to those at the initial memorial.

If you are talking about cleaning up prior to that, while Prince was alive - just breaking into his private areas and pawing through, taking things... that doesn't sound reasonable imo for anyone who wanted to remain employed for even one more day (unless they planned to also take up blackmail and rack up more reasons for future prison time). And again, there were security cameras and who knows what other protections for such things.

Thanks for your reply, Eileen. I was refering to the second part of your reply, the cleaning up after Prince was taken away from the building. But yes, most likely the whole place is under Police scrutiny and there would have not been many chances to get rid of any pills. Still, like laura mentioned above, after the plane incident Prince and his staff would surely get rid of pills that would have been acquired illegally. Which might mean, and a big emphasis on the word "might", that he was not taking illegal stuff, but was nevertheless addicted to pain medication and really did not know what he was taking that ended up killing him.

[Edited 8/24/16 7:13am]

morningsong said:

Nobody has an opinion about the possibility that the legitiate meds were actually discontinued about a year or 2 ago.

It doesn't matter. The pills were counterfeit anyway. The LEGAL version was discontinued.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Laura, but wouldn't that mean that the person would try to clean up afterwards? I mean, whoever was getting him these illegal pills was pretty close to him, a trusted person. So wouldn't that person try to get rid of the pills found on him and on his dressing room? Just thinking out loud here...

That is the thing that does not seem right. Take a paranoid non trusting person like Prince. He is doing something illegal but he has pills that can be found easily by the cops. He has pills lying open in a bag? I can see a safe, vault or even a fake floor. After the plane incident the police could come into Paisley Park with a search warrent at any time. Even the story about him having a bunch of pills on the plane sounds crazy. I mean the police in Moline were not called or in Minneapolis did the hospital just give him back a bunch of pills ( not sure if I believe this part of the story or the pills were not illegal for him to have )

I mentioned before and got shot down that the police did not search Paisley Park until early May.

The family and who knows who else would have had access to the building. Why were pills still even in his private living quarters. I cannot believe no one went to his private living quarters for weeks at a time.

Why would someone not clean up even if he was alone that night? Someone close to him had to know about those pills. Maybe not everyone in his circle but someone.

I think they knew not to go in and try to get rid of anything. (I'm saying "they" but I believe only one of his employees who'd been with P a long time knew the truth about the pills.) Once Prince was found dead, it was an active investigative scene. Plus they were too distraght to do anything. I'm not a detective, but I'm sure the people in PP at the time of Prince's death had to speak with the police right away as part of the investigation. No one was going anywhere once police got there.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

yeah Prince looks so AT EASE during the interview afterwards. Jeezzz!!! Can't be nerves, must've been his cocksure defiance

LOL

--- Do you realize this story was in Dez Dickerson's book from about a decade ago. He wrote it because he wanted to tell the real story about the begining of Prince's career from a band member who was around at the begining. No reason for Dez Dickerson to lie the whole book is filled with stories about Prince playing practical jokes on people and cutting up all the time. Morris Day has that he joked around all the time and so has Sheile E. You guys are willing to pull something out of tabloid over what people who knew him his whole life has to say. In addition, if you look at the Band clip I see cockiness I don't see a person having a meltdown. I am starting to wonder what is the real reason you are posting. [Edited 8/24/16 3:09am]

Dez wasn't lying. That is what P told him. But I believe P said it because he knew ahead of time he'd be scared to death to be interviewed...in front of millions by Dick Clarke. P knew of his social dilemma so it was a brilliant move on his part to give those instructions to Dez. That way no one would speak and they'd all look like it was planned. P would come out not looking like he couldn't get his words out, but it ended up looking like that anyway. I don't say this to come against P. I completely understand how a phobia can paralyze you. It's an internal thing. I don't see cockiness, I see his heart beating out of his chest in that interview.

About the time of the original family memorial - Saturday? - I thought I read one of the half-brothers had never been to PP so he was given an escorted tour. I honestly don't think people would have been allowed to roam the building without escort since they didn't OWN the building and an unexpected death occurred on the premises. That would be like opening the doors to strangers. I know it sounds unbelievable - the drugs, the clothing, being left alone, etc. - but maybe, just maybe, there was no foul play at all. I would like to know what time he spoke with Will Smith (or anyone else), was there any activity on his computer(s) after he got back to PP, where his shoes were found, did it look like he went into the bathroom to wash up, brush his teeth or shower, where did he leave his housekeys ... all of the normal things people do when they get home (except for calling a movie star). Did he have a housekeeper? Was his bed made or had it been turned down for the night or was it unmade for a day or days? What lights were on? Little things.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Laura, but wouldn't that mean that the person would try to clean up afterwards? I mean, whoever was getting him these illegal pills was pretty close to him, a trusted person. So wouldn't that person try to get rid of the pills found on him and on his dressing room? Just thinking out loud here...

That is the thing that does not seem right. Take a paranoid non trusting person like Prince. He is doing something illegal but he has pills that can be found easily by the cops. He has pills lying open in a bag? I can see a safe, vault or even a fake floor. After the plane incident the police could come into Paisley Park with a search warrent at any time. Even the story about him having a bunch of pills on the plane sounds crazy. I mean the police in Moline were not called or in Minneapolis did the hospital just give him back a bunch of pills ( not sure if I believe this part of the story or the pills were not illegal for him to have )

I mentioned before and got shot down that the police did not search Paisley Park until early May.

The family and who knows who else would have had access to the building. Why were pills still even in his private living quarters. I cannot believe no one went to his private living quarters for weeks at a time.

Why would someone not clean up even if he was alone that night? Someone close to him had to know about those pills. Maybe not everyone in his circle but someone.

Getting rid of illegal pills...isn't that a crime?

wisdom7 said:

laurarichardson said:

That is the thing that does not seem right. Take a paranoid non trusting person like Prince. He is doing something illegal but he has pills that can be found easily by the cops. He has pills lying open in a bag? I can see a safe, vault or even a fake floor. After the plane incident the police could come into Paisley Park with a search warrent at any time. Even the story about him having a bunch of pills on the plane sounds crazy. I mean the police in Moline were not called or in Minneapolis did the hospital just give him back a bunch of pills ( not sure if I believe this part of the story or the pills were not illegal for him to have )

I mentioned before and got shot down that the police did not search Paisley Park until early May.

The family and who knows who else would have had access to the building. Why were pills still even in his private living quarters. I cannot believe no one went to his private living quarters for weeks at a time.

Why would someone not clean up even if he was alone that night? Someone close to him had to know about those pills. Maybe not everyone in his circle but someone.

Getting rid of illegal pills...isn't that a crime?

Of course it is! Just trying to figure out if someone was getting him the pills illegally they would probably feel tempted to get rid of that incriminating evidence, don't you think? And if it were that straight forward, perhaps that person would already be charged.

wisdom7 said:

wisdom7 said: