laurarichardson said:

I'll agree to disagree
I agree with having compassion and the good vs bad people. Both are I'll and need help.
I disagree that there's any "glaring evidence" that Prince was an addict.
I have seen nor heard any of it & I've read a lot of articles, etc.
This is an opinion. I have no problem with an opinion but think it's important to distinguish between an opinion and evidence.
Peace.

purplerabbithole said:

His appearance didn' alter until the last year and probably a lot of people suspected something might be wrong (or thought at the very least he was overworked and undereating).

But the addiction didn't start just last year. He was abusing earlier than that probably. Did people notice it then?

Menes said:

There is one person who knew, besides Prince. Prince's behavior and physical appearance was a dead give away. If this person told you they didnt notice, they would be lying.

I did. It wasnt hard to see it. The last show , backstage did it for me.

lwr001 said:

lwr001 said:

He, like most performers, developed a persona to use onstage. Remember when he opened for the Rolling Stones???

BobGeorge909 said:

I think prince had a script he took to Walgreens and Walgreens wouldn't fill it via he'd already had Walgreens limit of scripts filled. The number if pills and number of doctors prescribing can allow Walgreen's to elect to not fill a script. Frustrated, he sent someone out to get pills. And like usual, he sent someone to do something that was out of their specialty. Overpaid for some simple words from a dealer they weren't familiar with and came back with pricy fentanyl bootleg pills that he took like they were regular pervs. Started feeling funny...put on some clothes in a disoriented fashion and passed out in the elevator before he could get help. I feel these counterfeit pills play a definite role as well as P's need to skirt the system that was denying him.

Last year's old scripts? Becuase the article stated he had no scripts for the last 12 months? However that might imply that he had scripts last year. And he was trying to use them? However, how many pills did he buy that night. There were different bottles laying about. Not a crazy amount but still.

When was the last show you went to?

Menes said:

purplerabbithole said:

His appearance didn' alter until the last year and probably a lot of people suspected something might be wrong (or thought at the very least he was overworked and undereating).

But the addiction didn't start just last year. He was abusing earlier than that probably. Did people notice it then?

I did. It wasnt hard to see it. The last show , backstage did it for me.

purplerabbithole said:

When was the last show you went to?

Menes said:

I did. It wasnt hard to see it. The last show , backstage did it for me.

I saw the face in the ATL show. Look at it. Desolation?

lwr001 said:

#1- they are basically the same - percocet is,made of oxycontin & acetametaphin.
#2- they are not 2 of the most addictive drugs you can take, benzodiazepines (sp) are, generally. It is difficult to determine what the "most addictive" meds are simply because there are myriad factors involved.

Maybe there is a difference between Prince and Prince rogers nelson. Prince is the dude who would wear thin tight pants without underwear. Prince rogers nelson is the guy who died wearing boxer briefs under his clothes.

Morgaine said:

lwr001 said:

Or drugs...I kid.

He, like most performers, developed a persona to use onstage. Remember when he opened for the Rolling Stones???

Superconductor said:

Contacting the pain clinic in Cali for help only shows someone contacted them to help Prince. The rest is, at this moment, conjecture.

purplerabbithole said:

Where in the article is this said? I don't see prince waiting around in a Walgreens parking lot for someone else to get their script filled. I see him being there to get one made out to him filled. And I also see him agitated with them not filling it because of a curious number of scripts filled or a large amount of different doctors prescribing them, those signs indicate pill hunting and doctor shopping. If I recall correctly, most controlled substance scripts are void after 30 or 90 days. I might b wrong about that though.

lwr001 said:

I think so much emphasis gets put on opiates that people forget that it's actually quite rare for someone to die from opiates alone. There is almost always something else that pushes it over the edge.
My relative's doctor (I usually take them to appts) can prescribe up to 6 months but it must be a hard copy.
I hope they help for your panic/anxiety & it sounds like you have a good doctor that will help you. Sadly, this is getting more rare as time goes on.
Peace

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe there is a difference between Prince and Prince rogers nelson. Prince is the dude who would wear thin tight pants without underwear. Prince rogers nelson is the guy who died wearing boxer briefs under his clothes.

Morgaine said:

lwr001 said: He, like most performers, developed a persona to use onstage. Remember when he opened for the Rolling Stones???

The difference between Prince and Prince Rogers Nelson: perhaps the most insightful and compassionate observation I've read on this site since April. From a broken hearted first-time poster.

BobGeorge909 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Last year's old scripts? Becuase the article stated he had no scripts for the last 12 months? However that might imply that he had scripts last year. And he was trying to use them? However, how many pills did he buy that night. There were different bottles laying about. Not a crazy amount but still.

Where in the article is this said? I don't see prince waiting around in a Walgreens parking lot for someone else to get their script filled. I see him being there to get one made out to him filled. And I also see him agitated with them not filling it because of a curious number of scripts filled or a large amount of different doctors prescribing them, those signs indicate pill hunting and doctor shopping. If I recall correctly, most controlled substance scripts are void after 30 or 90 days. I might b wrong about that though.

He did not have a scripts for pain pills in the past 12 months. He had scripts for other meds, which is probably what he was at Walgreens for.

Morgaine said:

Percocet is made of oxycodone and acietomeniphin(Tylenol). Typically 5 or 10 mg's of opiate combined with 325 mg's of acietomeniphin. Oxycontin is the brand name of an opiate, oxycodone, formulated and put to pill form in a fashion to where it is time released. Comes in carrying dosages from 5 or 10 mg's per a pill, up to 80mg's per a pill I believe. No acietomeniphin involved.

With Tylenol being lethal in high doses on top of causing liver disease after regularly processing non lethal amounts of Tylenol, addicts prefer the non-tylenol formulations cuz they can take more opiate without damaging their livers.

laurarichardson said:

I have no idea why he saw that doctor. The only seizure meds I have read about were from the recent 'source' articles but my understanding was that the meds termed "seizure" meds were benzos (Valium/xanax). And though these are used for seizures, there are many other meds that are specifically seizure meds. Please correct me with a source if I am wrong.
Peace

PeteSilas said:

also, has anything come out about those multiple calls to 911 from paisely park in the past couple years? haven't heard anything more, calls could have ranged from stalkers to medical emergencies but it's interesting that no more info has been parsed out.

They are all documented on the Carver County website as to the nature of each specific call, some in detail, if that's what you mean.

lwr001 said:

This is only true (detoxing off both/either) in specific circumstances that depend on many different variables.
There is a huge fallacy that detoxing cold turkey off either causes death. It has been espoused for so long in the media that people believe it to be true.
Look it up with reliable data. You may be shocked.
Peace

tmo1965 said:

OK...I'm not gonna get in an argument about something neither of us knows. I started of with a mere "I think". Many here seem to know a lot of unknowables.

How anyone found out he hasn't filled opiate scripts in the last 12 months is beyond me...and hey, more power to em if they're able to find that out...hippa be damned.

lwr001 said:[quote]

Morgaine said:

Added to that drug dealers are in it for the money. It's a business. Drug dealers want their customers to come back and buy more. They don't want to kill them, they lose customers, they lose $s.

udo said:

Yes, in the 1st part of this thread.

Peace.

wisdom7 said:

Opiates block the brain's pain receptors so your body doesn't feel pain.
Depending on the person, they can have many different effects - some people act drunk, nod off, feel nauseated, feel no change. Have a relative who is unaffected by opiates (Tylenol works better for them) but took an antibiotic and acted completely drunk!

Peace

Morgaine said:

You're bound to feel shitty but it's not fatal. Going cold turkey off booze does pose a real danger cuz it induces potentially fatal seizures. But opiates just make u feel like a terrible flu, muscle and joint pain and u get a bit mucousy...u get really agitated as well.

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said: Who said he did not have a problem with meds. Does that make third degree murder okay because that is what whoever gave him those drugs is looking at. Still a crime.

You missed my point. The other person said the death was mysterious. It's not. And there may not have been a crime. Where is the intent? You are wildly speculating because you are in denial that Prince took these counterfeit pills of his own choice. He was reckless.

it's not mysterious to you, and that's ok. It's myterious to me and many others. A guy who's whole image was control, discipline, clean living, a guy who was often pretty harsh with others for using anything, a guy who could function at that high a level and never let the mask slip, it's mysterious. Not to mention backwards clothes, living out the words to Let's Go Crazy like a fulfilled prophecy, it's strange. I go with logic before anything but even logic tells me it's strange. Just like Bruce and Brandon Lee's deaths, the shit is bizarre, i won't jump to conspiracy conclusions but I won't deny the obvious either, it's mysterious.

Menes said:

purplerabbithole said:

When was the last show you went to?

I saw the face in the ATL show. Look at it. Desolation?

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I don't know what people are talking about backstage but I was up front in both ATL shows and he looked fine...a little tired at the end of the 2nd one but that's it.

Menes said:

I don't know if I can/want to convince you but I might be able to help you see the difference between the two. I'm no expert, but I have studied it to some extent.
Physical happens anytime a med is taken over time. Insulin, inhaler for asthma, opiates, benzos, muscle relaxer, pick something. If the med isn't taken, after a period of time, the body & brain react to the loss. These reactions revolve around the type of med, what it's used for, etc. If you use an inhaler 3x/day over time your body adjusts to it. If you stop using it all at once, the body will react (breathing harder to do, upper respiratory pain/infection, etc. If opiates, same as inhaler, the body & brain react.
Physical dependence can go along with addiction because the addict suddenly stops taking a drug,drugs, their body & brain react. But they are not the same.
Addiction is a mental illness. Like bipolar disorder, MPD, schizophrenia, ptsd, etc. Most people who have a mental illness don't think they have one. Simplistic example, the movie 'A Beautiful Mind' where the protagonist is schizoohrenic and believes the people he sees are real and has lomg term relationships with them. Same thing with addicts.
One of my hopes and prayers is that the scientific facts will be made more public and eventually accepted by (most) people.
Finally, one huge problem in re the definition for addiction as "strong, uncontrollable cravings" is that this has been equated with chronic pain sufferers.
Example: at ER with friend who'd reinjured his back, ton of pain for days & frankly looked like crap. Dr knew he was in pain (couldn't even walk) & received no pain meds.
Two years later, same friend, ER & Dr. Broke his foot at work, low to mid level pain. Receives pain meds in room + prescription. He asks why now and not before. Chart notes state his appearance and asking for help with his pain were red flags.
Hope some of that helps.
Sorry so long.
Peace.

PeteSilas said:

herb4 said:

Yeah...I think I''m with you on this. So much of the stuff I've been reading by WAY too many people here is straight up loony bin material and it moves so fucking fast I can't even keep up with up with it. I can't for one second imagine what the lens of reality must be like for someone that can seriously entertain the idea that this was some sort of assassination, cover up or conspiracy.

Like, how do does someone who can believe that even get out of bed in the morning, take a piss or a shit and go to work? How do you even function in society believing that the possibility of a setup here is the most simple, logical explanation for all this? Let alone find time to post about it?

you'd be surprised, there are lots of highly functioning, rich people who still think obama is not a us citizen and a muslim. surprises me when they say it, but who am i to say, i haven't even looked at the "evidence".

Just turn on the TV.......sick

BobGeorge909 said:

Sorry, but this is speculation and incorrect.
Prince, according to recent article didn't have any opiate meds filled in Minnesota in the last 12 months. He couldn't have been "early."
As for the rest, you're def entitled to an opinion, but it is an opinion.
Peace

Nobody has an opinion about the possibility that the legitiate meds were actually discontinued about a year or 2 ago.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe there is a difference between Prince and Prince rogers nelson. Prince is the dude who would wear thin tight pants without underwear. Prince rogers nelson is the guy who died wearing boxer briefs under his clothes.

The difference between Prince and Prince Rogers Nelson: perhaps the most insightful and compassionate observation I've read on this site since April. From a broken hearted first-time poster.

Poor Prince was going through some shit and probably going through it alone. Seems like things got out of control real quick and some really bad choices/decisions were made.