terrig said:

laurarichardson said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said: --- You ever think he might have been cut off by his doctors? What he thought he had is not even that strong but he may have an Rx for it that a doctor felt he was abusing or was damaging his organs which too much Taylony can do over time. What would you do if you were still in pain and wanted to work.

I think we have to acknowledge that if Prince was getting those meds from black market sources he was pretty desperate for them. He believed he needed them that bad to function normally - I can't imagine his need for privacy outweighing his need for safe drugs, and once you've become addicted your need for drugs safe or no, outweighs all rational decision-making. Just because he wasn't stumbling around doesnt mean he wasn't addicted. Half the USA is on pain meds of some sort so he's not unique in that aspect.

I dont think its a stretch to say that no one goes the black market for drugs if they are able to obtain safely and legally...

Exactly. He was past the point of doing what he would in his right mind.

babynoz said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Exactly what I was wondering. And what does v-necks have to do with wearing pants backwards and socks inside-out? Maybe he didn't like tags and seams touching his skin. LMAO!

LMAO!

I hope you know I can't look at your ID without that dang song getting stuck in my head. LOL, Good thing I like it.

Did any of you see the movie, "Philadelphia?" I keep thinking back to the final scene in the hospital when Antonio closes the door. I always thought he did something to help Tom die even though he was near death anyway. Why do I imagine Prince going into his empty house, locking the door behind him, then taking one or more pills? There is still a part of me which thinks the overdose was not an accident. He may not have known it was Fentanyl, but we have not learned his stomach contents - how many pills were there if that could be determined. I don't think it was a "simple" overdose. I just don't. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it, but ...

FUNKNROLL said:

Menes said:

He was good at hiding everything else. Certainly not a stretch to do exactly this. People underestimate the lengths at which an addict/dependent will go to in order to conceal the behavior.

EXCEPT - officials are now saying medical tests prior to his death indicate he had no traces of Fentanyl in his system and not likely an abuser.

Hydrocodone and acetomenphine is more commonly known as "Tylenol with Codeine". Have you taken it? Many have and are not junkies. And how do we know one or two other prescription bottles found around PP weren't owned by staff? I know coworkers who keep prescriptions at the office.

This morning on CBS news - they are reporting this exact finding, stating it's likely he did not know what he was given or taking. And things will be getting more interesting.

He was far from perfect, but it's more probable than possible he was NOT a closet drug addict.

No it isn't. It's more commonly known as Vicodin (or Lortab or Norco). About 50% stronger than codeine. Here in Canada it's the difference between no prescription required, and highly controlled narcotics prescription.

I dont know what happened to our guy on the 20th or 21st.But,its starting to become a little more clearer that our prince had a serious prob.(For whatever reason)he was hooked.It was starting to show in his physical appearance and some say actions.As the weeks and months go on we're really going to have to come together and focus on his life and his music and goodness he did all around the world.Prince was someone who had a lot of doors close on him when he was a child.And he didn't give up on life he made goals for himself and achieved every one.As the org owner said on apr 21st this site crashed many times with people coming here to find answers and mourn together.I was one who wanted answers but,now im not sure if i can handle them.I just have a feeling this is going to get very bad

strawberrylova123 said:

We are all hurting and some of us are in denial mode, i have come to grips that prince was an addict in his last days. Nothing will change on how i love him, jill jones recently posted something on facebook that gave a realization on prince was going through at that time. I was once those fans who thought " maybe. Prince had a terminal illness" but not any longer.

What did Jill say? What did Jill say? What did Jill say? What did Jill say? What did Jill say?

paulludvig said:

paulludvig said:

whatdoesitmatter said:

This just makes me wonder if (1) someone put those pills in there and P thought they were the regular medicine he took and then realized a little bit later that something was not right and he dressed quickly to get help or (2) he was getting the hydrocodone off of the street to help with his pain until the dr prescribed him something and someone gave him the wrong stuff. If this was the case in both situtations that would be murder.

Stories state that test taken before his death showed he did not have Fetnyal in his system so right there shows us that he wasn't taking them. It has also been stated that when he landed in Moline he was not tested for any drugs before given the shot.

What if he was taken this and just thought it was his regular tylenol and it really wasn't. I never gave any thought that he was murdered but now I am riding the fence on this. Any other thoughts?

I think for fentanyl to be in the pills at all indicates that they came off the street. The article says that he did not have a Rx for any opiods in the last 12 months. I wonder if he had old Rxs and kept a stash to use as needed. When his stash got low, for whatever reason he bought them off the streets because he could not get a Rx. It's also possible that P had his old stash the legitimate Rx and someone switched out the legit for the counterfeit thinking that he would not notice the difference because they wanted the hydrocodone for themselves.

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I don't know how strong P's pills were, but I've taken hydrocodone after surgery and it did not even get me high. I was only drowsy for a couple of days and after that I was able to function normally. So can people get high off of these pills?

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Another thing. It seems the police are purposefully leaking only bits and peices of info. The new info only adds to the list of questions that we all have and even more speculation.

Bebop17 said:

FUNKNROLL said:

EXCEPT - officials are now saying medical tests prior to his death indicate he had no traces of Fentanyl in his system and not likely an abuser.

Hydrocodone and acetomenphine is more commonly known as "Tylenol with Codeine". Have you taken it? Many have and are not junkies. And how do we know one or two other prescription bottles found around PP weren't owned by staff? I know coworkers who keep prescriptions at the office.

This morning on CBS news - they are reporting this exact finding, stating it's likely he did not know what he was given or taking. And things will be getting more interesting.

He was far from perfect, but it's more probable than possible he was NOT a closet drug addict.

No it isn't. It's more commonly known as Vicodin (or Lortab or Norco). About 50% stronger than codeine. Here in Canada it's the difference between no prescription required, and highly controlled narcotics prescription.

Yes and the recent reports are saying they found like 60 counterfit pills and also found Xanax, Valium hidden in aspirin and vitamin bottles that were in Prince's travel bag and also some loose in the bag.

laurarichardson said:

Well the evidence is showing everyone that he was not a junky. The stuff he thought he was taking he pretty light and I want to think he may have just taken to much of the real H on the plane but though he could keep taking it but maybe in a lower dosage for all we know the stuff in PP could have been a new stash.

Could you please stop calling hydrocone H? H is common street slang for heroin. Has been for decades. Thanks.

strawberrylova123 said:

paulludvig said:

What did Jill Jones say?

I don't know how to post articles or facebook posts on here but she said she sense he was on something and that she felt guilty ect.

Just copy and paste

1Sasha said:

Did any of you see the movie, "Philadelphia?" I keep thinking back to the final scene in the hospital when Antonio closes the door. I always thought he did something to help Tom die even though he was near death anyway. Why do I imagine Prince going into his empty house, locking the door behind him, then taking one or more pills? There is still a part of me which thinks the overdose was not an accident. He may not have known it was Fentanyl, but we have not learned his stomach contents - how many pills were there if that could be determined. I don't think it was a "simple" overdose. I just don't. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it, but ...

Maybe because the ME with degrees and experience in such things combined with all the lab work, and police investigation can see that if he'd have actually been taking what he thought he was taking then it wouldn't have been an overdose in anything. Just a thought.

TrcikyChristopher said:

ladygirl99 said:

Some people are critizing the Startrib but you know what I am all for them of getting the bottom of the truth what happened. WIth Prince's circle and camp are strangely quiet or saying this Life goes on speech, Startrib are the fans main ally right now (for the fans who refused to buy the drug addict narrative). It is like I am getting the impression that his camp are nicely telling the fans to 'Mind our own business and to focus on the music' yet they know what happened.

All I know is I don't buy it that Prince was a drug addict or he was murdered. I read and watched interviews from various people who were around Prince during his nearly forty year career timeline and not one of them said he was a drug addict or abusing drugs. Dude treated his body like a temple. I think he was taking meds because he had to.

I am forever grateful, even though I haven't posted on the org in years, I have been lurking and watched Prince closely during the last sixth months of his life and I think he was trying to tell fans something and he said once or maybe several times if you want to understand him is through his music and art. From the minute he did the Piano Tour to the day he was found in elevator, he was telling us something symbolically. I know what he was trying to say but so far his camp are refusing to give the receipts to tell it.

Agreed... and I believe receipts are coming. My own sources (who shall remain nameless) have been telling me what a few people here are already thinking... and it isn't too far from the truth. The only thing I can and will say is this: evidence of one thing does not negate (rather obvious) evidence of another.

[Edited 8/22/16 2:34am]

Agree with you both.

destinyc1 said:

I dont know what happened to our guy on the 20th or 21st.But,its starting to become a little more clearer that our prince had a serious prob.(For whatever reason)he was hooked.It was starting to show in his physical appearance and some say actions.As the weeks and months go on we're really going to have to come together and focus on his life and his music and goodness he did all around the world.Prince was someone who had a lot of doors close on him when he was a child.And he didn't give up on life he made goals for himself and achieved every one.As the org owner said on apr 21st this site crashed many times with people coming here to find answers and mourn together.I was one who wanted answers but,now im not sure if i can handle them.I just have a feeling this is going to get very bad

Well I plan to continue doing exactly as you said: "Focus on his life and his music and goodness he did all around the world." NO MATTER WHAT WE FIND OUT.

destinyc1 said:

I dont know what happened to our guy on the 20th or 21st.But,its starting to become a little more clearer that our prince had a serious prob.(For whatever reason)he was hooked.It was starting to show in his physical appearance and some say actions.As the weeks and months go on we're really going to have to come together and focus on his life and his music and goodness he did all around the world.Prince was someone who had a lot of doors close on him when he was a child.And he didn't give up on life he made goals for himself and achieved every one.As the org owner said on apr 21st this site crashed many times with people coming here to find answers and mourn together.I was one who wanted answers but,now im not sure if i can handle them.I just have a feeling this is going to get very bad

I wanted answers too and I can tell you that I dont like what is coming out. But at the same time, I want the truth no matter how much I dont like it. It very much looks like our Prince was indeed suffering from the disease of addiction. My mom was a opiod addict and she had advil bottles that if you opened them they had a potluck of pills inside. She loved percocets those were her go to favorite but if she could get valium, oxy's, vicodin, whatever she would take them. And these would all be together mixed in with her advil.

When I think of how Prince crafted his image and how private he was, I am positive that he was scared beyond anything else that his addiction would get out to the media. I bet that bothered him a lot, so he hid it and kept it to as few peeps as possible. Sad, because caring more about his image may have cost him his life.

sad sad sad.

[Edited 8/22/16 11:30am]

strawberrylova123 said:

strawberrylova123 said:

paulludvig said:

strawberrylova123 said:

paulludvig said:

I can't find anything like that on her Facebook. Did she delete the post?

It still there, are u facebook friends with her? Because she has two facebook pages. One is a professional one and the second a personal one.

Can you just copy & paste I'm on the edge of my seat

tmo1965 said:

whatdoesitmatter said:

This just makes me wonder if (1) someone put those pills in there and P thought they were the regular medicine he took and then realized a little bit later that something was not right and he dressed quickly to get help or (2) he was getting the hydrocodone off of the street to help with his pain until the dr prescribed him something and someone gave him the wrong stuff. If this was the case in both situtations that would be murder.

Stories state that test taken before his death showed he did not have Fetnyal in his system so right there shows us that he wasn't taking them. It has also been stated that when he landed in Moline he was not tested for any drugs before given the shot.

What if he was taken this and just thought it was his regular tylenol and it really wasn't. I never gave any thought that he was murdered but now I am riding the fence on this. Any other thoughts?

I think for fentanyl to be in the pills at all indicates that they came off the street. The article says that he did not have a Rx for any opiods in the last 12 months. I wonder if he had old Rxs and kept a stash to use as needed. When his stash got low, for whatever reason he bought them off the streets because he could not get a Rx. It's also possible that P had his old stash the legitimate Rx and someone switched out the legit for the counterfeit thinking that he would not notice the difference because they wanted the hydrocodone for themselves.

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I don't know how strong P's pills were, but I've taken hydrocodone after surgery and it did not even get me high. I was only drowsy for a couple of days and after that I was able to function normally. So can people get high off of these pills?

.

Another thing. It seems the police are purposefully leaking only bits and peices of info. The new info only adds to the list of questions that we all have and even more speculation.

I agree with the first bolded sentence. WRT the second, the article actually says that he did not have a Rx for opioids in Minnesota in the last 12 months. I'm not suggesting anything, just trying to be clear about what was and wasn't said.

strawberrylova123 said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

ladygirl99 said:

Some people are critizing the Startrib but you know what I am all for them of getting the bottom of the truth what happened. WIth Prince's circle and camp are strangely quiet or saying this Life goes on speech, Startrib are the fans main ally right now (for the fans who refused to buy the drug addict narrative). It is like I am getting the impression that his camp are nicely telling the fans to 'Mind our own business and to focus on the music' yet they know what happened.

All I know is I don't buy it that Prince was a drug addict or he was murdered. I read and watched interviews from various people who were around Prince during his nearly forty year career timeline and not one of them said he was a drug addict or abusing drugs. Dude treated his body like a temple. I think he was taking meds because he had to.

I am forever grateful, even though I haven't posted on the org in years, I have been lurking and watched Prince closely during the last sixth months of his life and I think he was trying to tell fans something and he said once or maybe several times if you want to understand him is through his music and art. From the minute he did the Piano Tour to the day he was found in elevator, he was telling us something symbolically. I know what he was trying to say but so far his camp are refusing to give the receipts to tell it.

Agreed... and I believe receipts are coming. My own sources (who shall remain nameless) have been telling me what a few people here are already thinking... and it isn't too far from the truth. The only thing I can and will say is this: evidence of one thing does not negate (rather obvious) evidence of another.

[Edited 8/22/16 2:34am]

I don't understand what you guys mean here by "receipts." Can someone please clarify for me?

Dibblekins said:

Copied and pasted from earlier:

Michael T Schulenberg, MD provides intensive care in HOWARD LAKE, MN. An Intensivist is a physician who has special training in critical care. An intensivist is a board-certified physician who provides special care for critically ill patients. Also known as a critical care physician, the intensivist has advanced training and experience in treating this complex type of patient.

Sorry...Speculation about to follow...

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So, it is possible that P. did have some other form of illness - a critical illness - the symptoms of which he was trying to self-medicate. Could Dr S's tests have been to do with this? After all, he was coming round to the HOUSE with the results - and that isn't usual practice, surely?

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Remember, we do have evidence from the chefs that P hadn't been able to swallow / eat for some time due to throat / stomach issues, even if we have mixed opinions about his physical appearance of late ( I personally think he looked unwell - almost jaundiced, and incredibly thin).

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Could it be that P just didn't want to acknowledge 'being ill'; that he was in denial - and that's why he chose to do down the illicit route (and OK, we know that, prior to the final OD, it wasn't Fentanyl he was using but maybe some less potent pain medication)?
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Then the (possible) OD on the plane occurred - and I say 'possible' because the tests seem to suggest that it wasn't a fentanyl OD but something else - maybe not an OD at all, but something to do with any illness he already had? However, he had those pills on him - and someone knew about them being on the 'plane for it to be reported in the AP article...Maybe he just hadn't used them yet but was prepared to do so, if things got worse?

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Anyway, he had his 'funny turn' on the 'plane; Judith intervened and they approached Dr K for assistance (It's significant that she was relatively NEW to his circle...Maybe all the others were either complicit or powerless; it certainly seems as though someone was obtaining illicit meds on his behalf; maybe her connection to Michael Jackson is significant too - in that she was able to say to P, 'for God's sake; I saw MJ go down this path - please don't do the same'?) Maybe this brought him to his senses a little so that he was willing to accept, at last, that he needed help?

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It still doesn't explain why he took those pills on the 20th...Unless things were really bad, and he was desperate...Maybe he really hadn't used them before and so had no idea they were what they turned out to be...

On the nausea: side effects of hydrocodone include nausea, especially if taken without food. Excessive vomiting would have eroded his esophagus, making it even harder to swallow and eat. The yellow skin could be jaundice from the tylenol harming his liver. Perhaps those were the tests results being delivered that morning, liver function tests.

[Edited 8/22/16 8:18am]

LuxLove said:

strawberrylova123 said:

paulludvig said: It still there, are u facebook friends with her? Because she has two facebook pages. One is a professional one and the second a personal one.

Can you just copy & paste I'm on the edge of my seat

LOL!

strawberrylova123 said:

leadline said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

GOOD QUESTION, and one I have been asking from day one. Certainly seems very odd and suspicious that he left that clinic right after Prince died.

people with nothing to hide have no reason to run, clearly he has something to hide

I agree with running with having something to hide.

As for leaving the clinic, maybe he got his a$$ fired!

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Agreed... and I believe receipts are coming. My own sources (who shall remain nameless) have been telling me what a few people here are already thinking... and it isn't too far from the truth. The only thing I can and will say is this: evidence of one thing does not negate (rather obvious) evidence of another.

[Edited 8/22/16 2:34am]

I don't understand what you guys mean here by "receipts." Can someone please clarify for me?

Receipts = evidence(made famous by Whitney Houston)

Trciky is a big tease. Tell us more!

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said: