Kara said:

teach49 said:

Is HIPAA still in effect if someone is dead? I'm just asking because I really don't know.

http://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/...dividuals/

The problem is that HIPAA only applies to "covered entities," which are defined as health plans, health care clearinghouses and health care providers. It doesn't apply to the media; it can make it more difficult for the media to get information because health care workers shouldn't be releasing anything to anyone, but unfortunately people do talk, and there are non-covered entities they can get info from. The Pennsylvania News Media Association, for example, recommends reporters try to get information from police, fire departments and witnesses.

CooperC62057 said:

laurarichardson said:

--- Lord have mercy the stuff he was taking is a cobo if Tylnol and codiene it is not even that strong. We are not saying he did not have problem but he was not the strung out junky that some were making him out to be. I guess you missed that the pills were mis-labeled.

t Just felt the need to jump in here and say that for years, I was prescribed Tylenol w/ codeine which I would take every single morning just to get up and moving enough to loosen up tense back muscles - once I was able to get moving, I could function. Not once would I have considered myself to be drugged or addicted. Once the new, stricter prescribing took place, my doctor switched me to gabapentin - which made me feel drunk and in a stupor for the first few months and probably will never be able to get off of. So, all of this finger pointing people are doing is ridiculous! Further, I see people say "he had over 100 pills". Anyone ever get a 90 day supply of pills? It's really not that many people!

No it's not uncommon to get 90 day supply of meds, but still not good if he wasn't getting them legally prescribed to him.

terrig said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Ummmmm, yeah to prevent going to PRISON for helping to kill PRINCE, I'm certain they are willing to keep their mouths shut.

Can you imagine all the other people who will die as well?

This is so achingly sad and tragic.

Yes and THEY HAVE BEEN DYING FROM IT! What's most infuriating is the thought that some f*cking idiots are out there purposely manufacturing this deadly crap, KNOWING it kills people! They are so greedy they don't care!

[Edited 8/22/16 10:28am]

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Militant said:

Regarding the clothes thing - I too thought it was weird at first, but Lala Escarzega just told me that Prince regularly wore his lounge clothes backwards because he didn't like v-necks. She said he would regularly wear both his shirts and pants backwards when he was lounging or relaxing.

So given that information from someone who was very close to him, it's not strange or suspicious at all.

Interesting. Prince sure had A LOT of those pretty young things who were "very close to him" or "very good friends" or "his best friend" or who "knew he loved me"... hehe

Not to derail the thread but Lala has hinted that people in his camp were non believers of their romance. I wish I could remember exactly what she said. Anyway there's a lot of one-up[wo]manship with his ladyfriends, all keen to show just how close they were & lala has just taken the lead

[Edited 8/22/16 10:30am]

CooperC62057 said:

I'm the same age as Prince and my vision isn't what it used to be.....that being said, when I put on my black socks, I'll guarantee you, they're probably inside out. Who cares???? Stop with this sock thing!

LOL! A few zillion posts above, they were hooked on what happened to his SHOES!

Militant said:

Regarding the clothes thing - I too thought it was weird at first, but Lala Escarzega just told me that Prince regularly wore his lounge clothes backwards because he didn't like v-necks. She said he would regularly wear both his shirts and pants backwards when he was lounging or relaxing.

So given that information from someone who was very close to him, it's not strange or suspicious at all.

Aww...Prince doing things in his Prince-y way. We should have suspected that.

CooperC62057 said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Militant said:

Regarding the clothes thing - I too thought it was weird at first, but Lala Escarzega just told me that Prince regularly wore his lounge clothes backwards because he didn't like v-necks. She said he would regularly wear both his shirts and pants backwards when he was lounging or relaxing.

So given that information from someone who was very close to him, it's not strange or suspicious at all.

Interesting. Prince sure had A LOT of those pretty young things who were "very close to him" or "very good friends" or "his best friend" or who "knew he loved me"... hehe

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

LuxLove said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Interesting. Prince sure had A LOT of those pretty young things who were "very close to him" or "very good friends" or "his best friend" or who "knew he loved me"... hehe

Not to derail the thread but Lala has hinted that people in his camp were non believers of their romance. I wish I could remember exactly what she said. Anyway there's a lot of one-up[wo]manship with his ladyfriends, all keen to show just how close they were & lala has just taken the lead

[Edited 8/22/16 10:30am]

YEP! I had never even heard of Lala before and had to google to find out who the heck she was. LOL. I found a post where she boasted about how much time she had spent with P, how everyone kept saying she was just like Mayte, how P showed her old videos of them, he was her best friend, he said she reminded him of his mother, she knows he loved her no matter what others say, blah...blah...blah...

paulludvig said:

If the safe shot after the Atlanta show sent him into full withdrawel, how was he able to be so active in the followingen days? He appeared to be fine to people who met him.

That's right, and he even resumed his normal twitter activity, and rode his bike to electric fetus (which i believe was a 20 mile ride) to go shopping. Sounds pretty normal to me.

[Edited 8/22/16 10:47am]

This just makes me wonder if (1) someone put those pills in there and P thought they were the regular medicine he took and then realized a little bit later that something was not right and he dressed quickly to get help or (2) he was getting the hydrocodone off of the street to help with his pain until the dr prescribed him something and someone gave him the wrong stuff. If this was the case in both situtations that would be murder.

Stories state that test taken before his death showed he did not have Fetnyal in his system so right there shows us that he wasn't taking them. It has also been stated that when he landed in Moline he was not tested for any drugs before given the shot.

What if he was taken this and just thought it was his regular tylenol and it really wasn't. I never gave any thought that he was murdered but now I am riding the fence on this. Any other thoughts?

laurarichardson said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

No it's not uncommon to get 90 day supply of meds, but still not good if he wasn't getting them legally prescribed to him.

-- What would you do if something was hurting you?

I would have (and I have) gotten help from a physician licensed to prescribe medication. I sure as hell would NOT be buying bootleg drugs from someone off the street or getting some "friend" to get them for me from wherever! But I am not Prince and he lived in a totally different world, surrounded by enablers who did whatever he wanted. Unfortunately that was his downfall. It's sickening.

strawberrylova123 said:

We are all hurting and some of us are in denial mode, i have come to grips that prince was an addict in his last days. Nothing will change on how i love him, jill jones recently posted something on facebook that gave a realization on prince was going through at that time. I was once those fans who thought " maybe. Prince had a terminal illness" but not any longer.

Taking a pill from a mislabeled bottle is far from being an addict in your last days. The post makes it sound like he was runnin round the place frantic trying to stick any needle he could find in his arm.

[Edited 8/22/16 10:45am]

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

leadline said:

paulludvig said:

If the safe shot after the Atlanta show sent him into full withdrawel, how was he able to be so active in the followingen days? He appeared to be fine to people who met him.

That's right, and he even resumed his normal twitter activity, and rode his bike to electric fetus to go shopping. Sounds pretty normal to me.

Well sure he was. Just think about this. If he had access to more pain killers (Hydro, Percocet, whatever) after the Narcan, then he would have been able to take them and he would no longer be in withdrawal. So he would be fine to go out and do whatever he wanted and could've appeared "normal" to others. But apparently he was not "fine" or his staff wouldn't have contacted Dr. Kornfeld for help with a "grave medical emergency." I still can't get over the fact that he was left ALONE.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

leadline said:

strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

I would have (and I have) gotten help from a physician licensed to prescribe medication. I sure as hell would NOT be buying bootleg drugs from someone off the street or getting some "friend" to get them for me from wherever! But I am not Prince and he lived in a totally different world, surrounded by enablers who did whatever he wanted. Unfortunately that was his downfall. It's sickening.

--- You ever think he might have been cut off by his doctors? What he thought he had is not even that strong but he may have an Rx for it that a doctor felt he was abusing or was damaging his organs which too much Taylony can do over time. What would you do if you were still in pain and wanted to work.

I think we have to acknowledge that if Prince was getting those meds from black market sources he was pretty desperate for them. He believed he needed them that bad to function normally - I can't imagine his need for privacy outweighing his need for safe drugs, and once you've become addicted your need for drugs safe or no, outweighs all rational decision-making. Just because he wasn't stumbling around doesnt mean he wasn't addicted. Half the USA is on pain meds of some sort so he's not unique in that aspect.

I dont think its a stretch to say that no one goes the black market for drugs if they are able to obtain safely and legally...

laurarichardson said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Kirk Johnson and Meron Bekure were the last people we know of that were with Prince. Per an article in ST: "As part of their 24/7 jobs with Prince, Bekure and Johnson were at the Dakota Jazz Club in downtown Minneapolis on April 19 for a concert by vocalist Lizz Wright. It was the last time Prince was seen at a public event. And his inner circle was with him."

http://www.startribune.co...379538981/

However it is unknown whether either of them were (or who was) with Prince on the day he died. You would think a bodyguard or assistant would have taken him to the doctor or hospital that day and then to the Walgreens. But I don't know if it was reported WHO dropped him off at home at 8 p.m. before he died. It's interesting that someone on his staff reportedly contacted Dr. Kornfeld to help Prince due to a "grave medical emergency" but Prince was well enough to be out in public in a club. I'm not sure when Kornfeld was contacted though, except he reportedly sent his son on a red-eye flight because he couldn't make it that quickly.

-- Your last paragraph is the key to a lot of unanswered questions. How is someone gravely ill but beboping around? Where did he go that he had to be brouhgt back to Paisley Park? We can make the assumption that Dr.K is talking out of his ass but he did say he conferred with Dr.S so something was wrong but I am not sure it was all about Hydrocone.

Someone "gravely ill" due to addiction can bebop around as long as they have drugs. But why is someone who was "gravely ill" LEFT ALONE??? Damn, wouldn't one of those doctors-especially Kornfeld have told the staff that he should not be left alone? But maybe they did and the enabling "yes men" didn't listen. So frustrating.

strawberrylova123 said:

We are all hurting and some of us are in denial mode, i have come to grips that prince was an addict in his last days. Nothing will change on how i love him, jill jones recently posted something on facebook that gave a realization on prince was going through at that time. I was once those fans who thought " maybe. Prince had a terminal illness" but not any longer.

What did Jill say?

LuxLove said:

strawberrylova123 said:

We are all hurting and some of us are in denial mode, i have come to grips that prince was an addict in his last days. Nothing will change on how i love him, jill jones recently posted something on facebook that gave a realization on prince was going through at that time. I was once those fans who thought " maybe. Prince had a terminal illness" but not any longer.

What did Jill say?

not sure, but Adrian said this......

Some of the dozens of pills seized from Paisley Park were found to have other drugs in them, some were oxycodone or codeine, and some were not controlled substances.

About a dozen tablets were found in a dressing room at Paisley Park, but the vast majority was in bottles of aspirin and Vitamin C that had been tucked inside a suitcase and bags — including one Prince often carried with him. Some pills were also found loose in the bag, the official said.

One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug. Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had more than 60 counterfeit tablets in it.

Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-47700 — a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.

Authorities also found a prescription bottle in someone else's name that contained 10 oxycodone pills, the official said, without revealing who was listed on the prescription.

The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta.

Corrected story on Yahoo from the Associated Press. This is an excerpt.

My heart hurts even more now.

leadline said:

LuxLove said:

What did Jill say?

not sure, but Adrian said this......

Adrian Crutchfield ‏@GOODSAX Aug 21

Like i been saying.... #theivesnthetemple... and dont believe the hype. Wasnt an accident...

Oh I know, doubt he's the only one in the camp who thinks that way.

laurarichardson said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

I would have (and I have) gotten help from a physician licensed to prescribe medication. I sure as hell would NOT be buying bootleg drugs from someone off the street or getting some "friend" to get them for me from wherever! But I am not Prince and he lived in a totally different world, surrounded by enablers who did whatever he wanted. Unfortunately that was his downfall. It's sickening.

--- You ever think he might have been cut off by his doctors? What he thought he had is not even that strong but he may have an Rx for it that a doctor felt he was abusing or was damaging his organs which too much Taylony can do over time. What would you do if you were still in pain and wanted to work.

Find a different doctor, or pain management clinic, etc. However if I were addicted to opiates, I honestly can't say I would not try to obtain the drugs illegally. Since that is what often happens out of necessity in the deadly spiral. Withdrawal is not easy.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

LuxLove said:

Why buy V necks then??!

Exactly what I was wondering. And what does v-necks have to do with wearing pants backwards and socks inside-out? Maybe he didn't like tags and seams touching his skin. LMAO!

LMAO!