PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

AA1slot said:

Not to be indelcate, but the ME would have checked stomach contents, blood, eye fluid, looked for needle marks etc., in order to determine the cause of death. Since how drugs are administered effects the absorption rate that would have been checked as well to determine that it was sefl administered. Nobody would have forced pills down his throat. She said at the press conference that she was going to be thorough, hence the time it took to get the results and believe that she was.

Good point. Since they have reported it was pills he ingested and not patches or injections, it seems highly unlikely anyone forced the pills down his throat. Meaning he "self administered" the pills - unless someone held a gun to his head and made him swallow. LOL.

Pills can be crushed and hidden in food, I assueme there are a lot of different ways to get someone to ingest something withou their knowledge.

[Edited 8/22/16 8:01am]

1Sasha said:

rogifan said:

1Sasha said: And who are these dozens who knew? If you really believe this start naming names people.

IMO those people who traveled with him knew. I think fellow entertainers knew - such as Lenny and Sheila. Tavis Smiley knew. His family apparently knew. I truly believe others in his inner circle knew. They may not have known the exact drug(s) he was using, but they were aware of a problem.

Unfortunately I have to agree with this. It's really hard to believe people close to him or around him for any length of time were not aware. There have been several who stated he was in constant pain and taking pain meds. I think they are just not telling the public what they know out of respect for Prince.

if dr schulenberg has no culpability why did he bolt?

laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said:

i get that. i really do. but, we are adults. by and large we know that buying black market drugs is dangerous. we for sure know it's illegal and why. because of cases like this.

there have been many deaths associated with this stuff, right here in minnesota. whoever had the bad judgment to provide prince with this fatal, mislabeled drug needs to step up and take responsibility and name some names.

the person manufacturing this shit needs to be stopped, so more people aren't inadvertently poisoned.

--- Exactly a real friend would have taken him to rehab you cannot withdraw on your own. A real friend would even gone to the cops if need be. Who ever got him that stuff was doing because they were in the payroll they need to go prison and tell where they got it from so other people don't die.

A REAL FREND WOULD NEVER HAVE LEFT HIM ALONE AFTER THAT PLANE INCIDENT! Regardless of what he may have said, he should NEVER have been left alone!

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

1Sasha said:

IMO those people who traveled with him knew. I think fellow entertainers knew - such as Lenny and Sheila. Tavis Smiley knew. His family apparently knew. I truly believe others in his inner circle knew. They may not have known the exact drug(s) he was using, but they were aware of a problem.

Unfortunately I have to agree with this. It's really hard to believe people close to him or around him for any length of time were not aware. There have been several who stated he was in constant pain and taking pain meds. I think they are just not telling the public what they know out of respect for Prince.

Tweet from Adrian yesterday who was in his inner circle, make of it what you will, but it is safe to say anyone in the inner circle has more perspective on this mess than any of us do.

Adrian Crutchfield ‏@GOODSAX 13m13 minutes ago

[Edited 8/22/16 8:21am]

ladygirl99 said:

Some people are critizing the Startrib but you know what I am all for them of getting the bottom of the truth what happened. WIth Prince's circle and camp are strangely quiet or saying this Life goes on speech, Startrib are the fans main ally right now (for the fans who refused to buy the drug addict narrative). It is like I am getting the impression that his camp are nicely telling the fans to 'Mind our own business and to focus on the music' yet they know what happened.

All I know is I don't buy it that Prince was a drug addict or he was murdered. I read and watched interviews from various people who were around Prince during his nearly forty year career timeline and not one of them said he was a drug addict or abusing drugs. Dude treated his body like a temple. I think he was taking meds because he had to.

I am forever grateful, even though I haven't posted on the org in years, I have been lurking and watched Prince closely during the last sixth months of his life and I think he was trying to tell fans something and he said once or maybe several times if you want to understand him is through his music and art. From the minute he did the Piano Tour to the day he was found in elevator, he was telling us something symbolically. I know what he was trying to say but so far his camp are refusing to give the receipts to tell it.

Oh really? SPILL IT!

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

EnDoRpHn said:

They need to bring charges against whoever dressed him in a garment bag and got him to wear black clogs with purple socks.

lol who the hell told my baby that flip flops w sox look sexy??? lol

LOL! Maybe those are Princey's travel jammies.

terrig said:

I think the 'camp' is silent because they all 'knew' - I think they all had some idea or maybe didnt see anything exactly - but they knew he was on pain meds...even if Prince had bottles of vitamin C or aleve or whatever someone had to see him take an aleve or vitamin C at some point...

Prince was clearly comfortable taking pills from the illicit sourcing - so someone helped or multiple people helped him...theres just no getting around that and whoever did help him better speak up because many many people will die from this stuff if they keep silent.

ALLLLLL the people who claimed to be 'very good close friends' - are shitting their pants and hoping the world moves on...that idea is reprehensible to me -

you know you helped get the counterfeit drugs and you now know it killed Prince - ONE pill killed him - and you're willing to keep your mouth shut???

FU you piece of evil, God will get you for that.

Ummmmm, yeah to prevent going to PRISON for helping to kill PRINCE, I'm certain they are willing to keep their mouths shut.

Just out of curiousity, does Prince's clothes have labels on them? Perhaps the lack of labels made it had to determine if the clothes were on backwards?

I am processing the pills in multiple bottles. The vitamin c bottle makes me believe he was trying to not let any one know if he was taking anything. This does not mean anything bad.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

leadline said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Good point. Since they have reported it was pills he ingested and not patches or injections, it seems highly unlikely anyone forced the pills down his throat. Meaning he "self administered" the pills - unless someone held a gun to his head and made him swallow. LOL.

Pills can be crushed and hidden in food, there are a lot of different ways to get someone to ingest something withou their knowledge.

Well if Judith HIll is to be believed, Prince acknowledged a problem and agreed to get help, so that would indicate he was voluntarily using something that he had become dependent upon. Otherwise, wouldn't he be trying to find out who drugged him on the plane?

EnDoRpHn said:

SpinsterSister said:

New Year's Party 2015

They need to bring charges against whoever dressed him in a garment bag and got him to wear black clogs with purple socks.

OMG! LMAO Fashion Don't!

udo said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

leadline said:

Pills can be crushed and hidden in food, there are a lot of different ways to get someone to ingest something withou their knowledge.

Well if Judith HIll is to be believed, Prince acknowledged a problem and agreed to get help, so that would indicate he was voluntarily using something that he had become dependent upon. Otherwise, wouldn't he be trying to find out who drugged him on the plane?

You may consider her credible, I do not.

zoso1978 said:

EnDoRpHn said:

They need to bring charges against whoever dressed him in a garment bag and got him to wear black clogs with purple socks.

OMG! LMAO Fashion Don't!

It seriously looks like if you zipped up Prince's outfit, he could literally be carry on luggage!

[Edited 8/22/16 7:55am]

rogifan said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

It was reported that the Fentanyl laced pills they found were mis-labeled (stamped) as Hydrocodone. They did not report finding anything labeled as Fentanyl. So it's possible he never knew or intended to take Fentanyl.

I would say more than possible and I believe one of the reports that came out this weekend even said its likely he didn't know that's what he was taking. [Edited 8/22/16 7:53am]

Well yeah, I doubt he would have voluntarily taken some bootleg drugs marked as Hydrocodone but containing a deadly dose of Fentanyl and God knows what else.

Krystalkisses said:

Why was he so stupid? He should be alive right now. Why?? Karma cries purple.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

if dr schulenberg has no culpability why did he bolt?

GOOD QUESTION, and one I have been asking from day one. Certainly seems very odd and suspicious that he left that clinic right after Prince died.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

if dr schulenberg has no culpability why did he bolt?

GOOD QUESTION, and one I have been asking from day one. Certainly seems very odd and suspicious that he left that clinic right after Prince died.

people with nothing to hide have no reason to run, clearly he has something to hide

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

so people are dropping like flies from the pills marked as hydrocodone but are really fentanyl, but how many of them are worth 300 million?

obviously prince did not buy these pills himself, it seems like everyone agrees about this.

it seems like most people agree he was probably taking lower level pain killers, to kill pain. but he did not have a perscription for those either, so someone was also supplying these to him, and was farmiliar with how long a certain number of pills would last, so in other words new how many he was taking.

so why is it so far fetched, that a super rich guy with no childern, no wife, and no will, who is found dead with pills that looked exactly like the pills he always took, but were leathal, could have been by design?

drug dealers have pill presses that can press any substance into what ever the press stamps it.

someone could have requested fentynal pills that look like hydrocodone, they would have know he was going to overdose thinkning they were hydrocodone, and knowing that people are dropping like flys from these fake pills, that more than likely everyone would assume that is what happened to prince.

if this exact situation happened to some semi rich guy down the street, and not a mega star, the cops at the very least would be looking at who would benifit from his death to see if there was a motive.

could have been given the pills accidetnally for sure, but he could also have been given them on purpose

interesting

loveandkindness said:

rogifan said:

leadline said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

GOOD QUESTION, and one I have been asking from day one. Certainly seems very odd and suspicious that he left that clinic right after Prince died.

people with nothing to hide have no reason to run, clearly he has something to hide

Or maybe he's just afraid of the Purple Army

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

rogifan said:

From these various reports we have: *Tests showing prior to what killed him he had no fentanyl in his system and possibly that he didn't even know the last pills he took contained fentanyl; *Supposedly no prescription for painkillers in the last 12 months; *His doctor brining him test results on the day he died and prescriptions for non-painkiller medication; Assuming the above is accurate: Are we supposed to believe he was illegally obtaining painkillers for 12 months (or more) and some included fentanyl but he just got lucky all the previous times he took them (and was some how able to function normally and travel and perform and all that. He was illegally obtaining painkillers for 12 months (or more) but everything prior to what killed him didn't contain fentanyl and whomever was supplying this to him just got lucky all the times before. He was seeing a doctor who was supposedly bringing him test results and prescriptions for something. So he had no problems seeing a doctor, having tests done, getting prescriptions etc. but wouldn't use a doctor to legally obtain pain medication? I've said from the beginning I think this was pain management gone horribly wrong but there are still too many things that don't add up. For me the biggest thing is he was traveling and performing (and in 2015 presenting at awards shows) without any indication he was under the influence of anything. Then all of a sudden he's dead. It makes no sense. [Edited 8/22/16 6:54am]

It was reported that the Fentanyl laced pills they found were mis-labeled (stamped) as Hydrocodone. They did not report finding anything labeled as Fentanyl. So it's possible he never knew or intended to take Fentanyl.

This seems most likely to me. Prince may not even have known that whoever got him these things got them off the black market. Probably whoever bought them didn't know either. Prince was likely in pain/withdrawing and told just one of his underlings to get him something so the person did. Prince just ate one or two like he always did and, since he'd never used fent before, overdosed, staggered to the elevator completely out of it and dropped dead. Obviously, whoever scored the illegal meds for him is frightened and knows they're legally accountable.

The delay is likely in finding proof of who exactly bought the pills and gave them to Prince, which I imagine is difficult and takes some time. No one's going to bring charges before tehy have a strong case. Why would Prince's own (probably well compensated) employees want to off him, lose ther awesome long running jobs and cut off their paychecks? Or lose their close friend? Not buying it.

I think it was an accident, albeit a very serious one.

rogifan said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

Unfortunately I have to agree with this. It's really hard to believe people close to him or around him for any length of time were not aware. There have been several who stated he was in constant pain and taking pain meds. I think they are just not telling the public what they know out of respect for Prince.

Who said he was taking pain meds? Even Tavis Smiley...if you go back and watch the video you can tell he was angry that anyone would portray Prince as a junkie and did mention the "hip pain" he was dealing with but at no point in that interview did he actually say he knew Prince was taking painkillers. I'm not aware of anyone publicly saying that. But if you have quotes from people please share...

I seem to recall a report that Tavis said he knew Prince was "self-medicating" but didn't know to what extent. But I can't reccal where I saw or read that, so it may not be accurate.

XxAxX said:

rogifan said:

XxAxX said: Oh I don't disagree with this at all. And someone posted on FB that the heard arrests were coming so maybe that's why all this stuff started leaking.

i hope everyone connected goes down. i don't care if they considered themself prince's besties, they suck.

and by remaining silent this long they have tarnished prince's reputation forever. we now know he was not a long-term fentanyl abuser, yet he is now the poster child for same.

REAL friends of prince would step up and honor his memory by telling the truth

While it's possible some aren't talking because there is an investigation, I tend to agree with you here. I think some believe they are honoring Prince by not talking about his private life. The problem with that is that he is no longer here to be a living, walking antidote to rumors about him. He's no longer here to write lyrics that suggest there's more to the story. He's not here to give the side-eye to people asking questions in interviews. Yes, he didn't try to explain himself, but he was alive and sometimes just living life contradicted some of the stories. And I think he sued some people who went too far (but my memory is fuzzy about some of those stories from the old days...sex dungeons and all).

I've said it before and I'll say it again: While it's understandable and to some extent admirable to honor someone's wishes after they pass, it's not always the right choice. You have to make decisions on your own, and trying to guess what a dead person would want is an exercise in futility. The living are left with this mess; whether it's his legacy or salacious rumors, people need to be objective and realize that the best choice may not be what Prince would do.

Sigh.

Copied and pasted from earlier:

Michael T Schulenberg, MD provides intensive care in HOWARD LAKE, MN. An Intensivist is a physician who has special training in critical care. An intensivist is a board-certified physician who provides special care for critically ill patients. Also known as a critical care physician, the intensivist has advanced training and experience in treating this complex type of patient.

Sorry...Speculation about to follow...

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So, it is possible that P. did have some other form of illness - a critical illness - the symptoms of which he was trying to self-medicate. Could Dr S's tests have been to do with this? After all, he was coming round to the HOUSE with the results - and that isn't usual practice, surely?

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Remember, we do have evidence from the chefs that P hadn't been able to swallow / eat for some time due to throat / stomach issues, even if we have mixed opinions about his physical appearance of late ( I personally think he looked unwell - almost jaundiced, and incredibly thin).

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Could it be that P just didn't want to acknowledge 'being ill'; that he was in denial - and that's why he chose to do down the illicit route (and OK, we know that, prior to the final OD, it wasn't Fentanyl he was using but maybe some less potent pain medication)?
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Then the (possible) OD on the plane occurred - and I say 'possible' because the tests seem to suggest that it wasn't a fentanyl OD but something else - maybe not an OD at all, but something to do with any illness he already had? However, he had those pills on him - and someone knew about them being on the 'plane for it to be reported in the AP article...Maybe he just hadn't used them yet but was prepared to do so, if things got worse?

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Anyway, he had his 'funny turn' on the 'plane; Judith intervened and they approached Dr K for assistance (It's significant that she was relatively NEW to his circle...Maybe all the others were either complicit or powerless; it certainly seems as though someone was obtaining illicit meds on his behalf; maybe her connection to Michael Jackson is significant too - in that she was able to say to P, 'for God's sake; I saw MJ go down this path - please don't do the same'?) Maybe this brought him to his senses a little so that he was willing to accept, at last, that he needed help?

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It still doesn't explain why he took those pills on the 20th...Unless things were really bad, and he was desperate...Maybe he really hadn't used them before and so had no idea they were what they turned out to be...

[Edited 8/22/16 8:18am]

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

AA1slot said:

Not to be indelcate, but the ME would have checked stomach contents, blood, eye fluid, looked for needle marks etc., in order to determine the cause of death. Since how drugs are administered effects the absorption rate that would have been checked as well to determine that it was sefl administered. Nobody would have forced pills down his throat. She said at the press conference that she was going to be thorough, hence the time it took to get the results and believe that she was.

Good point. Since they have reported it was pills he ingested and not patches or injections, it seems highly unlikely anyone forced the pills down his throat. Meaning he "self administered" the pills - unless someone held a gun to his head and made him swallow. LOL.

I suppose the argument would be that the person put the illicit meds in the bottle without Prince's knowledge. I don't buy it but that's probably the idea.