I am pretty sure I linked to a story on this issue back in April. That there were several deaths and many more ODs due to Oxy pills containing Fentanayl. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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No it is not well said. They can tell from the hair test if he had been a long term user. The hair test can go back 3 months. They are going to base any criminal case that happens on the fact that he was not a long term user of Fentanyl and that someone gave him bad pills. They are calling this an accidental overdose for a reason. I do not care how strong you think P was he would have been dead a long time ago if he was using Fentanyl for years. Can't believe people are still saying this. | |
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Proxy subscriptions are sometimes legal sometimes not... but if these were street drugs or counterfit then Kirk could very well face manslauter charges.
http://kron4.com/2016/04/...alifornia/ from this topic "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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The oxy in a dressing room labelled for someone else could just be someone else's.
I wonder how much fentanyl was in those pills and how many he took to get enough to kill anyone. The hydrocodone and codeine fakes seem strange. Loads of people have this stuff from legit sources. It would seem easier and safer to get the doctor he was seeing from the 7th (that so many think was for withdrawal) to prescribe something - I mean if you are seeing a local doctor for withdrawal you are not embarrassed about pain pills or reluctant to see a doctor. There is also not going to be any big outcry if there is a leak of this info (I mean who would care, it is hardly headline stuff). He also had connections in pain managment and withdrawal already through the other people he had helped get off drugs. "P: Doc, I'm really struggling to withdraw from these dodgy street drugs that caused me to OD earlier this week - Dr S: oh, OK, I'll run some blood tests but give you no controlled drugs to wean you off slowly or to help with your symptoms. You have to wait for this guy from Cali with some buprenorphine" just does not seem right. It would be interesting to know if they did test his hair to see what drugs he had been taking previously. It seems very unlikely he took fentanyl before. If it had been the first time on the plane he would have been looking at these pills in a whole different light. If he had been a regular user there is no way he would have withdrawn cold turkey after the plane and been out and about in the mood he was that week.
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Please go back and read the article. We know he was seeing doctor S for withdrawals. We know the pills were mis-labled and were full of Fentanyl enough they said to kill anyone. Of course the ME would do a hair test and use Dr. S test to see what history he had with F to make their claim of accidental over dose. | |
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yes. this article was published in march of 2016 related to fentanyl drugs ODs in MN: http://www.startribune.com/officials-sound-the-alarm-over-deadly-synthetic-fentanyl-in-minnesota/374352711/ | |
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Something that bothers me is his family. Why did they not clean up his living quarters? if they are worried about his image you would think they would have went up to his quarters and cleaned things up. Why would pills be lying in his bags. If these are the same pills he had on the plane how come he did not flush them if he almost overdoesed on the plane.
The autopsy report said he had on black boxers and a shirt. Were did the backwards pants come from. How do you stick a pill bottle in your pants pocket if the pants are on backwards. Why get in an elavator to go downstairs if you do not feel well. Why not just call 911. Why were the secruity cameras off.
This could all be nothing or he could be something but anyone who thinks this case is adding up to a simple od is blind. The information we have was leaked for a reason. They either have hit a break wall and are trying to shake things up or an arrest is going to happen soon. I think even law enforcement knows that something is wrong but cannot get anyone to talk. I am still looking at his family with a side eye. [Edited 8/22/16 4:39am] | |
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I read it Laura. I saw only assumptions of that, not any evidence. Can you point me to the part where it was said officially? | |
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But you will be able to analyze the drugs to tell if it is the same batch. I posted an article about this same situation in VA last week. A doctor was actually asked to stop prescribing Xanax because fake pills were traced back to his patients. He kept prescribing and they found he was involved in a drug ring. | |
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nevermind. [Edited 8/22/16 4:20am] | |
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I agree with this, yes you can throw clothes on in a panic and hurry and maybe they are inside out or round the wrong way, but in a emergency would you seriously stop to put on socks when you are in your home? that part has me puzzled too Thank you Prince for every note you left behind 💜 | |
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The pills were mismarked according to law enforcement and whatever lab they took them to. Apparently, these pills if they had been real are putting low level pain pills so he had no idea that he was taking something as strong Fentanyl and I said from the begining he could not have been taking soemthing as strong as Fentanyl. Looks like he was taking some light which would explain why he never seemed high or out it to people. The question his family should be asking his how got him these pills why were these bad and was he taking the hydrocone illegally before this incident.
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All excellent questions that are also going through my mind too. Thank you Prince for every note you left behind 💜 | |
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Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.
Who do you think gave him those test?
The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died.
According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were.
The search warrent was left open and the media reported that Dr S had confirmed he was treating Prince for withdrawals that found that DR S never prescribed any pain pills for him but only two other RX which that said earlier were filled at the Walgreens.
The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.
At this point they have pulled all of P medical records so the authorities no what was going on with him and they have hair samples that the ME may have used. Whatever test he had in Moline they used all of this to conclude he was not a long term user of F. The fact that if he was a long term user of H we do not know but if he was this is a low level pain killer and it would explain how he never seemed high and was able to get around. It would also be interesting to find out if he ever had a an RX for it and just was put off of it for abuse or just decided on his own to find his own supply. Like I said something is fishy about someone working with a Dr to get off of pain pills and then having hordes of them on their person. We really would have to know if the was a long term user of the "H" to get a better idea of what was going on or what sort of test was Dr. S running. ___ | |
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sunset3121 said: The oxy in a dressing room labelled for someone else could just be someone else's.
I wonder how much fentanyl was in those pills and how many he took to get enough to kill anyone. The hydrocodone and codeine fakes seem strange. Loads of people have this stuff from legit sources. It would seem easier and safer to get the doctor he was seeing from the 7th (that so many think was for withdrawal) to prescribe something - I mean if you are seeing a local doctor for withdrawal you are not embarrassed about pain pills or reluctant to see a doctor. There is also not going to be any big outcry if there is a leak of this info (I mean who would care, it is hardly headline stuff). He also had connections in pain managment and withdrawal already through the other people he had helped get off drugs. "P: Doc, I'm really struggling to withdraw from these dodgy street drugs that caused me to OD earlier this week - Dr S: oh, OK, I'll run some blood tests but give you no controlled drugs to wean you off slowly or to help with your symptoms. You have to wait for this guy from Cali with some buprenorphine" just does not seem right. It would be interesting to know if they did test his hair to see what drugs he had been taking previously. It seems very unlikely he took fentanyl before. If it had been the first time on the plane he would have been looking at these pills in a whole different light. If he had been a regular user there is no way he would have withdrawn cold turkey after the plane and been out and about in the mood he was that week.
Dr. Schulenberg couldn't legally prescribe buprenorphine. He was just a family doctor (Kirk's doctor) and probably in over his head. http://www.startribune.co...378880371/ | |
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I read it Laura. I saw only assumptions of that, not any evidence. Can you point me to the part where it was said officially? The information about Prince being treated for withdrawals by Schulenberg came from an anonymous source in this article... http://www.startribune.co...378880371/ | |
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EXCEPT - officials are now saying medical tests prior to his death indicate he had no traces of Fentanyl in his system and not likely an abuser.
Hydrocodone and acetomenphine is more commonly known as "Tylenol with Codeine". Have you taken it? Many have and are not junkies. And how do we know one or two other prescription bottles found around PP weren't owned by staff? I know coworkers who keep prescriptions at the office.
This morning on CBS news - they are reporting this exact finding, stating it's likely he did not know what he was given or taking. And things will be getting more interesting.
He was far from perfect, but it's more probable than possible he was NOT a closet drug addict.
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: No one is going to be indicted soon. The Carver County Sheriff's Department doesnt even have someone "dedicated" to working the case full time. The DEA said they have "havent assigned a time limit" on their investigation. This means that have hit the wall. This is why some detective who is frustrated gave info to the ST and other media outlets. They just do not have enough evidence to charge anyone and/or insufficient evidence to take it to the Grand Jury.
If this is the case then I hope people stop leaking shit, the investigation ends, we get this tribute concert in October and we all start to find closure. Nothing is going to bring Prince back so at this point unless it was murder (which I don't think it was) I honestly don't care if someone gets charged or not. Not if it means this case goes on indefinitely and there's a constant drip drip drip of leaks. Paisley Park is in your heart
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-------- A source with knowledge of the investigation told the Star Tribune on Friday that the doctor had been treating Prince for withdrawal symptoms from opioid addiction several weeks before his death. The source said the doctor did not prescribe opioids to the megastar. The warrant, filed May 6, accidentally was left unsealed until Tuesday, when Carver County learned of the mistake and sent a copy of the order sealing it to the Hennepin County court administrator. The Star Tribune obtained a copy. -----
This info came from that warrant along with information about interviewing Kirk who said that Prince had been in the hospital for treatement in 2014 and 2015 but he did not know for what.
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At this point these are the little things we only have small bits of info about but law enforcement has followed up on this stuff. They have reviewed all of Ps medical test and visit to get a picture of what was going on with him over the last few years. The info will leak out. I just think the family needs to come on out with it themselves. The authorities knew since June he was not a long term user of Fentanyl but the family said nothing and let the media run with the story.
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Well the evidence is showing everyone that he was not a junky. The stuff he thought he was taking he pretty light and I want to think he may have just taken to much of the real H on the plane but though he could keep taking it but maybe in a lower dosage for all we know the stuff in PP could have been a new stash. | |
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RE: Dr. S arriving with tests that morning - what comes to mind here, he probably had tests done after the Moline airplane emergency to determine what was wrong, or what he might have been taking. If you suspect you've been given some bad stuff, the first thing you're going to do is get tested to find out what's in your system.
What if he really thought he had been taking Tylenol w/Codeine and first suspected it was something else during/after the Moline airplane emergency? Seems like he would order a bunch of tests to get to the bottom. Seeking out a California Dr as pain manager for "withdrawal" management may have been the result of learning or suspecting he'd been taking the wrong thing but still needed to wean himself nontheless (think: "I'm not a junkie but I've been given the wrong stuff...and I'm going through withdrawal, not influenza... we'll figure out how I got the wrong stuff later, but for now I have to confirm my suspicions and manage the physical trouble I'm in...").
His inner circle (Judith?) indeed arranged the California doctor. Maybe that was through business execs, since it meets the criteria "telemedicine" - meaning, Doctors can't deliver care across state lines but they can (and sometimes do) consult with each other across state lines for arranging a patient's care.
Why would he be at Walgreens in a parking lot? Maybe because he reached a breaking point w/trusting others to pick up his medicine. You can pick up somebody else's prescriptions for them, I've personally done it for friends just out of surgery. He'd been getting the wrong stuff, through somebody. Remember he posted "just when you thought you were safe".
I don't want to believe any of this - but it's clear things weren't right in his world. Poor guy.
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What are you clapping about.
(EXCEPT - officials are now saying medical tests prior to his death indicate he had no traces of Fentanyl in his system and not likely an abuser.) Medical test are confirming it was accidental because he did not have any in his system prior to his death. They can also trace drugs back 90 days from hair samples. They have test that can tell how long you have been taking something especially Fentanyl.
I am still not sure some of you do not understand how P would not have been living if had been taking this stuff on his own for years.
You can posion yourself by just getting it on your hands.
Not too mention the side effects that everyone said he could have avoided by a high tolerance despite weighting a buck on five having too build up the tolerance in the first place. | |
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EXCEPT - officials are now saying medical tests prior to his death indicate he had no traces of Fentanyl in his system and not likely an abuser.
Hydrocodone and acetomenphine is more commonly known as "Tylenol with Codeine". Have you taken it? Many have and are not junkies. And how do we know one or two other prescription bottles found around PP weren't owned by staff? I know coworkers who keep prescriptions at the office.
This morning on CBS news - they are reporting this exact finding, stating it's likely he did not know what he was given or taking. And things will be getting more interesting.
He was far from perfect, but it's more probable than possible he was NOT a closet drug addict.
Some people are bound and determined to turn him into a major addict just like some are adamant there was foul play or he was murdered. That reports say allegedly tests showed he had no fentanyl in his system prior tells me he was not using heavy shit like that and somehow got pills that were mislabeled. That's what's most plausible to me because I don't see how in the world he could regularly be taking fentanyl and functioning the way he was, travelling and performing. As I've said before I listened to most of the P&M shows and his voice and playing were phenomenal. And his interaction with the crowd was totally normal. The only thing that wasn't was his appearance. He looked very frail. That's it. Paisley Park is in your heart
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whoever provided these illicit pills to prince killed him. | |
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FUNKNROLL said: herb4 said:
Who would murder Prince and why? This place is crazy. I recently saw report his legacy's value is up 11% and will continue trending upward now that he has died. He's worth more now (to business) than when he was alive. He was very outspoken about his corporate partners and very protective of his efforts. Don't underestimate what a business is willing to do for money in sums of millions, and in long term billions. Especially if business is struggling and parties have been burned. This isn't conspiracy - it's a sick sad truth in the world. It's not uncommon for corporations to employ doctors to manage costs and provide health care across state lines. Weeks before he died BlindGossip predicted his death this summer. TMZ is owned by Warners and had exclusives on his health. He posted "just when you thought you were safe" in social media. Now, reports say it seems he took pills that were mislabeled on the actual pills not just bottle. Hard to fault anybody for being willing to entertain the idea his death was more than unfortunate. . [Edited 8/21/16 19:35pm] Not "weeks". Blind Gossip reposted Mediatakeout's AIDS story, which was posted on April 16th - after the plane landing. This was a convenient time to make up a story. | |
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SpinsterSister said: This photo is not from 2015. It looks like maybe 2011 or 2012? And it looks like a carry on bag something that millions of us have when we travel. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Not made up - he died as reported prior to his death. Do we overlook this report/prediction because he died... but not from AIDS? The report WAS accurate and it cited inside details from an industry exec. Which demonstrates they had some sort of info, not "made up". Maybe the AIDS angle was intentionally inaccurate to walk a line. We can acknowledge their reporting by giving partial credit without praise.
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Dr. S arriving with tests that morning - what comes to mind here, he probably had tests done after the Moline airplane emergency to determine what was wrong, or what he might have been taking. If you suspect you've been given some bad stuff, the first thing you're going to do is get tested to find out what's in your system.--
Good points!!! If he had been taking H for a long time he might have figured I need to find out what is really in this stuff or why I almost overdosed on a low level pain pill that I take all the time.
His inner circle (Judith?) indeed arranged the California doctor. Maybe that was through business execs, since it meets the criteria "telemedicine" - meaning, Doctors can't deliver care across state lines but they can (and sometimes do) consult with each other across state lines for arranging a patient's care.
Yes, but Dr. K said he was in grave danger so Dr. S must have discoverd something at that exam and that is really the key.
Why would he be at Walgreens in a parking lot? Maybe because he reached a breaking point w/trusting others to pick up his medicine. You can pick up somebody else's prescriptions for them, I've personally done it for friends just out of surgery. He'd been getting the wrong stuff, through somebody. Remember he posted "just when you thought you were safe".
Dr S wrote him Rx on the 20 so he went to fill them. We know they were not for pain meds so I am just guessing it might have been the Xanax or anti-seizure meds. If it was not pain meds what else could it have been. | |
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XxAxX said: whoever provided these illicit pills to prince killed him. But what if they didn't know? Then it wouldn't be murder, maybe manslaughter. I have a real hard time believing someone within his inner circle intentionally gave him something he didn't think he was taking and something that would kill him. Paisley Park is in your heart
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