PeteSilas said:

fucking bizarre, i believe in artists being prophets too.

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ha!
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Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

I posted this link...

https://www.theguardian.c...d-fentanyl

to that article last month in the autopsy thread because it is plausible that Prince just didn't know he'd taken fentanyl. That's pretty clear from what the autopsy report said. Where everything's all fucked and twisted is the shroud of secrecy surrounding-- when, how, from whom-- did he get it and WHY?

206Michelle said:

EnDoRpHn said:

NinaB said:

24 pages when I was called away. Gonna have 2 wade thru 2moro [Edited 8/21/16 21:05pm]

I can save you the time. About 10 of those pages are people pissed at other people for thinking Prince was using opiods, and about 4 of them are theories about who murdered him or stole his shoes.

[Edited 8/21/16 21:47pm]

This made me bust out laughing. Thanks for that. It's a pretty depressing thread. I've had to toggle it with the sex thread just for balance.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

206Michelle said:

Can you post a photo or a link regarding Kirk having a black duffel bag?

So what if his assistant/bodyguard carried his bag(s)? What's so ominous about that?

Umm...

teach49 said:

herb4 said:

SpinsterSister said:

New Year's Party 2015

They need to bring charges against whoever dressed him in a garment bag and got him to wear black clogs with purple socks.

EnDoRpHn said:

EnDoRpHn said:

strawberrylova123 said:

purplerabbithole said:

This article is depressing as hell if it is true. For one thing, he was clueless as to the strength of the pills he was given. My theory is that someone got him the supposed hydrocodone illegally because no legit doctor would give it to him legally. He thought it was hydrocodone but it was instead fentanyl. When he realized he had taken something else, he threw on his clothes and just didn't make it to a phone or help quick enough.

The article indicated that counterfit drugs were sometimes fentanyl instead of what they were labeled as. I don't think the person who got the drug knew they were giving him the wrong stuff. But whoever obtained those drugs for him should face jail time (IMO).

Also sad (if it is true) is that he was on pills for localized pain (lidocaine [sic]) and anti-anxiety pills (alprazolam) apparently. Poor guy. NOt sure whether the anti-anxiety pills were for his withdrawal symptoms as a result of the Narcon or just something he was always on.

I know too many people (especially middle aged people) on pills like these. People need to find other ways to deal with anxiety and pain.

[Edited 8/20/16 19:34pm]

The Alprazolam would treat the withdrawal. It would take the edge off the feeling of being agitated. He should have had a telephone beside his bed. If he stepped out of what he was wearing, even the socks, and fell into bed then the clothes being in disarray makes a lot of sense.

Even if you have been taking prescription Hydrocodone for pain, you can wake up in the middle of the night and feel extremely nauseated if you don't eat something with every dose.

I found this out last year after hurting my back. It would have helped so much if he had confided everything to someone he trusted. My doctors didn't warn me about half the things I needed to know when dealing with pain meds. I was fortunate that my sister has always known more than I about medical stuff and we share all of it with each other. She told me to make a snack before bed to eat in the middle of night with pain pills and keep it bedside. (Then brush your teeth again)

How would P know any of this without talking to a friend or relative.

I was seeing a Pain Specialist and was never told this stuff. God bless him, he was too damn private.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

BillieBalloon said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Menes said:

GhostChick said:

Or maybe Prince himself put the pills in a bottle and mislabled it something else, to hide it.

I mean, it could be that Prince very well hid his problem and his pills. Labeling the bottle something else would be a very good way to do that.

He was good at hiding everything else. Certainly not a stretch to do exactly this. People underestimate the lengths at which an addict/dependent will go to in order to conceal the behavior.

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Any time I ever had illegal pills, i kept them in old prescription bottles. It made more sense than keeping them in a baggie, in a pocket, or a drawer.

Maybe he had all his mac make up in that bag.

Someone listing 'facts' in this thread stated we know Prince had hip problems for 2 - 3 decades. When was this confirmed & by who?

Now I'm not saying it is foul play but why is murder such a hard stretch? We know a lot of people did not like him - heck, his own fans here had major issues with him for a long long time. Is it so hard to believe that someone in his circle maybe felt like he owed them something? That he fell out with someone? How many people were living off him? We know people used to steal from him. Just because he wasn't gunned down or stabbed doesn't mean it can't be murder.

I find it terribly interesting that SO MANY close associates stated publically time & time again that Prince was a complete health freak & now conveniently, 4 months later guess what everybody! He was hiding his drugs in Vitamin C bottles!

I don't believe that Prince lied about his healthy lifestyle to cover up his usage of meds but now that's gonna be the perception.

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

EnDoRpHn said:

They need to bring charges against whoever dressed him in a garment bag and got him to wear black clogs with purple socks.

Awww, I am totally diggin' those purple socks with black clogs. Princey gotta be comfy for traveling..

I like talking about the picture because this thread is saad!!!. But the picture has to be before 2015-before the afro!!!!!

laurarichardson said:

Bebop17 said:

LOL OK. Because it's unimaginable that he could get them anywhere else. He never travelled, nor did anyone he knew. Oh wait.

In any event, scroll down that page and find a Minnesota link from April. Or check out the same link in teach49's post just above.

I typed this before I saw the link trick!! You still have to tie that outbreak back to the stuff that P had which is possible to do. We just don't know if that has been done yet. I also said a long time ago I wondered if the thought about him having been out the country and if he could have got drugs from over seas.

The following contains a great deal of speculation. It is not put forth as fact, probability, or anything other than a single possible theory that I haven't been able to rule out despite trying. Please feel free to tear it apart if it makes no sense.

Citations below are from the AP story - http://hosted.ap.org/dyna...1-15-34-36

So the above post inspired me to look into the places he'd been this year and whether they had any ties to this kind of stuff. Specifically, counterfeit oxy pills containing fentanyl. Australia came up blank. So did New York.

Know what city is teeming with the stuff? Atlanta. (links at the end if you want to see for yourself.)

Atlanta. The city he flew from the night he got the Narcan shots. The night he was reported to have the counterfeit pills with him on the plane.

The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said.

Why would he have MANY of the pills with him? Unless he got them there.

The more I read, the more I think that it's not impossible that he got those pills in Atlanta that night. and only ever took them twice - on the plane, and that last night - not knowing their lethality, not knowing they weren't real oxys. Maybe it's just a short, straight, tragic line for the fentanyl.

Before you say it - it was never said that he tested free of fentanyl after the plane incident. Read that part carefully.

(I can't seem to indent any paragraphs below without indenting the whole post, sorry for the formatting fail)

"Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

"The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died. According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. "

So it doesn't actually even say that Schulenberg was the one who did the drug tests. And even if he did, he could have done them on the 7th.

And before you ask it - why would he take the pills again after the plane incident? Maybe he thought he fixed the problem. For example, maybe he took a combo of pills on the plane and thought that was why the incident happened. So the second time he only took the one kind, not knowing that it was lethal on its own.

Maybe it was the much less potent oxy (and/or Percs and Vicodin) that rehab was about.

Maybe.

Oh and while I'm citing it, may I point out that the AP article says

"U-4770 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case [...]"

which contradicts that one article that appeared a while back saying he tested positive for it.

Atlanta links re deaths from fentanyl in counterfeit oxy
March 2016 - Special Report: Urgent warning issued about deadly counterfeit drug - http://www.wsbtv.com/news.../149537903 . That video is heartbreaking. This is HUGE in Atlanta.
Dec 2015 - Man sentenced to prison in friend's overdose death - http://www.wsbtv.com/news...h/17240695 (man sold fake fentanyl-oxys to his friend, plea deal dropped murder charge to involuntary manslaughter)

I'm tired. and kinda numb. so just gonna lay this here for now. apologies for length and any lack of clarity.

[Edited 8/21/16 23:24pm]

if he took the drugs from the same supply that almost killed him the week before,why?

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

if he took the drugs from the same supply that almost killed him the week before,why?

Like I said in my previous post, maybe he didn't think it was the one type of pill, maybe he thought it was a combo of pills that almost killed him, so the second time he just took the one kind not knowing it was deadly. Or maybe he thought that it was because of an empty stomach. or the high altitude of the plane. or he was really recovering from the flu that night on the plane. I'm just saying it's possible he thought he fixed whatever had been wrong the night on the plane.

If he believed the pills to be what they appeared to be - oxys, and if he had lots of experience with oxys, he may have just thought the incident wouldn't repeat itself.

gatorgirl said:

There are two articles floating out there right now that are basically saying the same thing but one is much more credible than the other.

First, for his clothes being "backwards", it seems that would be hard to determine given his clothes were black and he didn't have traditional tags, if any. The ME could clarify someting like this, but of course they won't as they would rather let speculation continue to run amok and let him continue on as being labeled as a "junkie" rather than addressing any possible painful conditions he may or may not have had.

As for the drugs, at least we now know Prince got the fentanyl via tainted street tablets. It is sad to know that a call to a pharmacy or even some googling would have shown him that "Watson 385" tablets haven't been made in about 3 years given Lortab is no longer on the market.

As for the one article claiming they found "Percocet", I call this BS. One would find oxycodone and acetaminophen, not "Percocet". One report claims they found Xanax (alprazolam) in his system while another claims it was Valium (diazepam). It would be nice to get the crap straight. I know the one report said Valium is used for sezures, but that is pretty much false, except when used rectally for a seizure lasting more than 5 minutes. Clonazepam is used more for seizures when looking at that class of drugs, but other drugs are used for seizures like Lamictal and Dilantin. If Valium really was in his system it was likely used for anxiety or insomnia. One of the articles said he had no controlled substances written for him in the past 12 months, so Xanax or Valium, it was obtained illegally, too, since both are controlled substances.

People can try to twist his death any way they want, but it seems clear to me that Prince tried to play doctor and it cost him his life. Why in the hell he wouldn't use a pharmacy to get medications from a doctor, I will never, ever understand. I never imagined in my life that he would not only die from a drug overdose but to die of one from street narcotics. Just, wow. Maybe he was afraid that by going to a doctor for pain and getting prescriptions written he would have his privacy breached, but instead he dies and now gets labeled as a "junkie" from here on out from this mistake in thinking, if he was thinking at all.

I am angry at Prince. Yeah, maybe he did not want to die, but he sure as hell should have known better than to take anything that did not come from a pharmacy. Whoever supplied him was no friend, but obvously someone who played him. You would have thought after the plane incident he would have flushed all the shit he had in his bag and house. No, he continued to play Russian Roulette with pills and lost. It is so, so sad. I think his problem with drugs had only been within the last months and honestly, I think he really did hurt. But let it be a lesson learned, if you really hurt, please go see a doctor, and see one that will listen to you. Find out why you hurt and try to fix it, not just medicate it. And please, do not take shit that doesn't come from a pharmacy. Even if your buddy's buddy has some spare Norco tablets and they look like Norco, you never, ever know. One cannot even get clean pot anymore without growing it yourself.

It is sad to see Prince made some shitty choices in the last few months of his life and it cost him his life in the worst way possible. I wish someone could have been there to shake sense into him and get all the shit out of the residence and said please stop this stupidity. Maybe he would have found more medications, but at least someone would have shown they cared. There were obviously people who knew what was in that little black bag. Who would have thought something in such plain sight would eventually kill him at the tender age of 57. A tragedy that could have been prevented.

Firstly, I don't know what happened yet. I do know that if he had Valium, it is given as a muscle relaxer for chronic pain injury. If he had lidocaine in his systen, this is someting that could be used before an injection (steroid) for all types of joint problems and slipped discs (my case). Knees, too.

These meds and procedures and common, everyday events. Covered by insurance and performed as outpatient procedures. If he had Xanax onboard, it's commonly given for patients who are not sleeping because of chronic pain, anxiety and certainly withdrawals. So all these things were easily explainable.

The opiods were obviously (IMO) for the pain that caused the addiction or the addiction withdrawal symptoms. The truly painful part of this is that he didn't want to fill a prescription that could have been leaked to the press and hurt his reputation as being drug free (even though he had a legitimate injury that required medication). The lidocaine seems to clarify the pain issue even more. But it's very short term.

He just didn't know what could happen, and no one told him or really knew all the pieces of the puzzle. Of course he could obtain what he needed, handily and probably from a dozen people he knew well. And the pills wouldn't necessarily be in anyone's name. They would have been stolen, bought from someone who didn't need them, etc. Online, too, sent to an aquaintance or relative. Then put in any bottle available. It's already been proven how tight-lipped his inner circle was - even most of the ladies he loved and left. They were made to sign no disclosure agreements or they just loved him and wanted to help. Most certainly, they were only doing Prince's bidding, so there was no intentional wrong doing.

More depressed now than ever. Sorry for the long post.

loveandkindness said:

laurarichardson said:

strawberrylova123 said: