Someone wanted a photo of a bag? Here is one....I have no idea what may be in the bag.

There are two articles floating out there right now that are basically saying the same thing but one is much more credible than the other.

First, for his clothes being "backwards", it seems that would be hard to determine given his clothes were black and he didn't have traditional tags, if any. The ME could clarify someting like this, but of course they won't as they would rather let speculation continue to run amok and let him continue on as being labeled as a "junkie" rather than addressing any possible painful conditions he may or may not have had.

As for the drugs, at least we now know Prince got the fentanyl via tainted street tablets. It is sad to know that a call to a pharmacy or even some googling would have shown him that "Watson 385" tablets haven't been made in about 3 years given Lortab is no longer on the market.

As for the one article claiming they found "Percocet", I call this BS. One would find oxycodone and acetaminophen, not "Percocet". One report claims they found Xanax (alprazolam) in his system while another claims it was Valium (diazepam). It would be nice to get the crap straight. I know the one report said Valium is used for sezures, but that is pretty much false, except when used rectally for a seizure lasting more than 5 minutes. Clonazepam is used more for seizures when looking at that class of drugs, but other drugs are used for seizures like Lamictal and Dilantin. If Valium really was in his system it was likely used for anxiety or insomnia. One of the articles said he had no controlled substances written for him in the past 12 months, so Xanax or Valium, it was obtained illegally, too, since both are controlled substances.

People can try to twist his death any way they want, but it seems clear to me that Prince tried to play doctor and it cost him his life. Why in the hell he wouldn't use a pharmacy to get medications from a doctor, I will never, ever understand. I never imagined in my life that he would not only die from a drug overdose but to die of one from street narcotics. Just, wow. Maybe he was afraid that by going to a doctor for pain and getting prescriptions written he would have his privacy breached, but instead he dies and now gets labeled as a "junkie" from here on out from this mistake in thinking, if he was thinking at all.

I am angry at Prince. Yeah, maybe he did not want to die, but he sure as hell should have known better than to take anything that did not come from a pharmacy. Whoever supplied him was no friend, but obvously someone who played him. You would have thought after the plane incident he would have flushed all the shit he had in his bag and house. No, he continued to play Russian Roulette with pills and lost. It is so, so sad. I think his problem with drugs had only been within the last months and honestly, I think he really did hurt. But let it be a lesson learned, if you really hurt, please go see a doctor, and see one that will listen to you. Find out why you hurt and try to fix it, not just medicate it. And please, do not take shit that doesn't come from a pharmacy. Even if your buddy's buddy has some spare Norco tablets and they look like Norco, you never, ever know. One cannot even get clean pot anymore without growing it yourself.

It is sad to see Prince made some shitty choices in the last few months of his life and it cost him his life in the worst way possible. I wish someone could have been there to shake sense into him and get all the shit out of the residence and said please stop this stupidity. Maybe he would have found more medications, but at least someone would have shown they cared. There were obviously people who knew what was in that little black bag. Who would have thought something in such plain sight would eventually kill him at the tender age of 57. A tragedy that could have been prevented.

morningsong said:

LoriJ said:

The saddest part is he took it within 24 hours of going into rehab. He wanted help, he wanted to live.

So true.

That is the part that breaks my heart.

I think fans who are speculating about all of this is fine but I think some are having a hard time reconciling the fact that he was abusing medication for whatever reason. I can totally understand the reluctance to believe that Prince had a real problem with drugs at the end of his life because it goes against what they always believed. If you focus on the facts it really seemed that he got these drugs on the blackmarket and they were laced unbeknowest to him (and I believe the person who gave it to him). As for the backwards clothing, I mean there is probably a reasonable expliantion for that he could have took his clothes off and then put them on again while in a daze, druged out of his mind, panicking...who knows...I don't think this is murder or suicide or anything like that.

I think we should also consider that fact that Prince might have started out taking painkillers because of physical pain and I don't doubt that he had serious pain but maybe he might have also been numbing emotional pain as well. Alot of people assume those suffering from problems like this are weak and it is something shameful but alot of people who abuse drugs sometimes have undiagnosed mental health issues that never have been addressed. I'm not saying Prince was mentally ill either but his way of dealing with things probably wasn't the healthiest of ways (such as losing his child) all of those stressful situations he has been through can truely affect you. Also with his divorces and all the pressure to be successful in a commerical sense, criticism from fans (which he seemed very sensitive too) and who knows if he had love in his life even if he had girlfriends (although I do hope so), as well as getting older and all the feelings that entails...all of that could really wear a person down.

I think when examining Prince's painkiller abuse we shouldn't take a myopic view and really consider his struggle with compassion and understanding...hopefully we can help others suffering and in pain so his story will not have been in vain. My heart truely goes out to that man and those that loved him. He will NEVER be forgotten.

Or maybe Prince himself put the pills in a bottle and mislabled it something else, to hide it.

I mean, it could be that Prince very well hid his problem and his pills. Labeling the bottle something else would be a very good way to do that.

http://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/4/2/dea-warns-about-fake-fentanyl-pain-pills

The DEA had warned the month of his passing that pills being sold on the street as hydrocodone had fentanyl in toxic doses. These would be drugs purchased on the street aka counterfeit drugs. Not Walgreens supplied. Perhaps when they grounded the flight in Moline for the two save shots, after that they tested him and the doctor that was bringing the medical results that a.m. was bringing the blood work to show what was in the meds that could have caused that, he found him deceased and dressed him for decency. Remember, the local doc arrived at the scene to give him medical testing results...

GhostChick said:

Or maybe Prince himself put the pills in a bottle and mislabled it something else, to hide it.

I mean, it could be that Prince very well hid his problem and his pills. Labeling the bottle something else would be a very good way to do that.

Being that in the book I read after his death I read three, but I believe this one was Prince: The Man and His Masks; it referred to him being missing when he was married to Mayte and they found him passed out with a bottle of "aspirin"...I would say "aspirin" was code for whatever he was using for pain or sedation.

GhostChick said:

Or maybe Prince himself put the pills in a bottle and mislabled it something else, to hide it.

I mean, it could be that Prince very well hid his problem and his pills. Labeling the bottle something else would be a very good way to do that.

He was good at hiding everything else. Certainly not a stretch to do exactly this. People underestimate the lengths at which an addict/dependent will go to in order to conceal the behavior.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

GhostChick said:

Or maybe Prince himself put the pills in a bottle and mislabled it something else, to hide it.

I mean, it could be that Prince very well hid his problem and his pills. Labeling the bottle something else would be a very good way to do that.

It wasn't the bottle that was mislabeled; it was the pills. The actual pills were labeled wrong.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

lastdecember said:

Let's remember also that Prince basically almost died on a plane. Judith is talking to him and his eyes just closed, and this is a mere few hours after a show which means he took them prior of after or both. So he was taking it then too, whether a mix up or given to him or he knew what it was. As I said before access to this could only be gotten by someone who had ties to medical, which brings it back to Kirky J, whom was a trainer and worked with doctors dealing with these things he could have scored these meds or even gone to an illegal source for Prince.

Kirk introduced Prince to the first doctor that was being investigated according to the Star Tribune.

No one is going to be indicted soon.

The Carver County Sheriff's Department doesnt even have someone "dedicated" to working the case full time.

The DEA said they have "havent assigned a time limit" on their investigation.

This means that have hit the wall.

This is why some detective who is frustrated gave info to the ST and other media outlets.

They just do not have enough evidence to charge anyone and/or insufficient evidence to take it to the Grand Jury.

Menes said:

lastdecember said:

Menes said:

Kirk introduced Prince to the first doctor that was being investigated according to the Star Tribune.

What we may find in the end is that he paid them to get this for him and Prince will be painted as an addict and the case will be closed in terms of how most of the world will view this death, sadly.

My guess is that he paid someone or paid for it somewhere else that is not bound by any legal or medical statute. There is no way Prince was walking into a pharamacy and getting it himself. Could you see him at the counter waiting for meds? Wasn't his doctor bringing his medical records to him? Didn't the "center" send people to his home? He was quite paranoid at times. He wouldnt be able to handle that kind of exposure.

sonshine said:

Namelessfan said:

Can you not appreciate the man and his incredible talent and all that he accomplished in his too short lifetime? Why must people speculate over and pick apart the circumstances of his death?

Even if he suffered (or did not suffer) from an addiction problem it does not change the facts of his life.

Rest in peace dear PRN.

Thank you! This is all that should matter. None of this has affected the way I feel about or appreciate all that he did. He was amazing and nothing can change that.

It's pretty silly to try to dictate what should matter to other people or to imply that they somehow don't appreciate PRN or that the facts of his life would change because of a discussion. For example, has it occurred to either of you that perhaps some of us give a shit that somebody is still running loose whose product not only poisoned Prince but will do the same to others if they are not apprehended? Should that matter?

If you intend to police every speculative thread on this forum then good luck with that because you have your work cut out for ya.

Personally I tend to opt out when the discussion/speculation gets redundant....you may want to try that.

Jessica55 said:

NinaB said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

aww love to u too!!!!!

i hope i have not upset anyone here by s haring my personal experience w chronic pain and meds....Like im not trying to project my issues or experience onto him. just trying to give my point of view since i have lived w pain since 2008 and had to unfortunaley depend on meds to have a somewhat normql life. thats all

Thank you. Never upset me. I didn't see projection or anything in the posts I saw.

Neither did I. Very humble, thoughtful and bombast free explanation of a chronic pain experience. My heart goes out.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

No one is going to be indicted soon.

The Carver County Sheriff's Department doesnt even have someone "dedicated" to working the case full time.

The DEA said they have "havent assigned a time limit" on their investigation.

This means that have hit the wall.

This is why some detective who is frustrated gave info to the ST and other media outlets.

They just do not have enough evidence to charge anyone and/or insufficient evidence to take it to the Grand Jury.

Someone within this investigation is trying to flush someone out. This is not going away. This was bait . A bit of heat , if you will. Someone will start talking soon. I bet they are sitting on a wealth of information that points to something more than an "accidental overdose".

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

No one is going to be indicted soon.

The Carver County Sheriff's Department doesnt even have someone "dedicated" to working the case full time.

The DEA said they have "havent assigned a time limit" on their investigation.

This means that have hit the wall.

This is why some detective who is frustrated gave info to the ST and other media outlets.

They just do not have enough evidence to charge anyone and/or insufficient evidence to take it to the Grand Jury.

Do you think that some detective might be shaking the bushes to see if something falls out, so to speak?

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

No one is going to be indicted soon.

The Carver County Sheriff's Department doesnt even have someone "dedicated" to working the case full time.

The DEA said they have "havent assigned a time limit" on their investigation.

This means that have hit the wall.

This is why some detective who is frustrated gave info to the ST and other media outlets.

They just do not have enough evidence to charge anyone and/or insufficient evidence to take it to the Grand Jury.

Someone within this investigation is trying to flush someone out. This is not going away. This was bait . A bit of heat , if you will. Someone will start talking soon. I bet they are sitting on a wealth of information that points to something more than an "accidental overdose".

Very smart of you Menes to see that too! I wonder whose name was on the prescription bottle of unknown substance? I am betting it is someone from his circle and that is the person they will start pressing.....for more info...

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fortuneandserendipity said:

lwr001 said:

SpinsterSister said:

Menes said:

Someone within this investigation is trying to flush someone out. This is not going away. This was bait . A bit of heat , if you will. Someone will start talking soon. I bet they are sitting on a wealth of information that points to something more than an "accidental overdose".

Very smart of you Menes to see that too! I wonder whose name was on the prescription bottle of unknown substance? I am betting it is someone from his circle and that is the person they will start pressing.....for more info...

This has "street fentanyl" written all over it. It is the rage. Star Tribune source states "He had so much of the drug in his system that it would have killed anyone, regardless of size". He had a stash of something on him when he was in Atlanta,( as evidened of by what happened on that plane) but no prescription! I would guess that there is a "person of interest" already in the cross hairs. Who could that be? The deep deep deep inner circle ? Not too many are granted such access so it's a pretty narrow field.

NinaB said:

24 pages when I was called away. Gonna have 2 wade thru 2moro [Edited 8/21/16 21:05pm]

I can save you the time. About 10 of those pages are people pissed at other people for thinking Prince was using opiods, and about 4 of them are theories about who murdered him or stole his shoes.

[Edited 8/21/16 21:47pm]

laurarichardson said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Some people on this thread are on drugs judging by their take on what happened.

I'm not on drugs but I am on whine! or wine?

Seriously folks, it doesnt matter whether P was an addict, or trying to manage pain.

What matters most is who purchased the lethal illicit drugs for P?

This is something for which there appears there is no answer at this time.

We may need to live with this scenario.

Because it appears no one willing to answer.

The enablers will never come forward.

And there are many. Many.....

All I know is that we have lost a musical genius and I may never be the same.

laurarichardson said: