muleFunk said:

rogifan said:

roxy831 said:

Please yaw'll don't beat me down, but it's documented and testified that Chaka is CURRENTLY in treatment for fentanyl dependency. Her dependency issue dates back decades. Therefore, P has been in at least second degree association with Chaka's provider since the 90's at latest....i'm just sayin'.....We can name a few others.....

Talk about conspiracy theories. Anyway I hope if something is going down it happens soon and we can be past this by the time of the tribute concert.

Rogifan, I am SOOOO not into conspiracy, but reality. P as well as many other artists have ALWAYS been just a inquery away from a provider outside of legitimate help. My statement was solely because we were pinning one particular 'inner circle' person out. We can't! And neither can the police or the DEA. Please yaw'll. P was an adult in a career field that can cause these types of disasters. I'm. Just. Sayin'.

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

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That is not the case at all. The authorities are telling you that they did not find that he was a long term user of F and that he overdose came from mis labled pills that he took in the last 24 hours of his life.

He was seeing a doc for withdrawals so we all know he had a problem with pain meds but apparently not the ones that killed him.

Please tell me you do not find this strange. I like I said before I believe the police are looking at this as a murder investigation and I will bet money we will see an arrest soon. We are not living in a state of denial about any of this and once we find out the who that is involved in this we will know more.

But, but, but - they are also saying - and the BBC is now clarifying it:
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'The official said Prince had many of these pills with him a week before his death when his airplane made an emergency stop in Illinois after he fell ill'.

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So:

1) How do they know he had these pills with him that day, and on the 'plane? Somebody must have said he had them...
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2) Assuming he took them, and this causes an OD on the 'plane, then the Narcan shots were justified - but what then? They rushed him to the hospital - and then he was allowed to leave with those same people who knew he had them?

As I said before, the Narcan would have cleared his system of their effects so the tests subsequently undertaken came back clear...Admittedly, this doesn't make him a long-term user, BUT it does suggest that it wasn't the first time he had taken these pills.
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3) Did 'they' take them off him, assuming that would mean he was safe? And he got hold of more? Or did they do nothing / left him alone, knowing he still had them?

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I will say that all of this focus on his clothes seems bizarre...To me, the following seems more probable, although it IS still speculation:
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1) He saw Dr S early on April 20th, most likely for withdrawal symptoms, amongst possible other things; he had examinations / tests. He was wearing the black slip-on, loose clothing - the exact outfit in which he was found. It is highly possible he had to undress during that appointment. He was agitated. He wanted to get out of there. He put the clothes on back to front in his haste to leave.

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2) He was given prescriptions during that appointment. He went to Walgreens at 7pm to fill a prescription. We know the prescription(s) were not for opiates. However, he subsequently had anti-anxiety medication found in his system. It is possible that the prescription was for those, particularly as he was described as being agitated.

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3) He was dropped off at home at 8pm, still wearing the black clothing. He was still agitated. The illicit medications were presumably upstairs - described as being in his 'dressing room' and luggage. He just wanted to get up there to take his anxiety meds asap - he had no time to turn on the security cameras. He went upstairs. He took his anti-anxiety meds; he thought they would calm him; he wants to take his mind off things; he takes off his shoes; he talks to Will Smith; he is still in pain; he takes the tainted hydrocodone. He had NOT got undressed from before, but he lies down to wait for the meds to take effect.
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4) The effects hit quickly; he staggered to the elevator, to go back downstairs - perhaps he wanted to go to the kitchen for some water; perhaps he wanted air; perhaps he thought, in his confused and panicked state that whoever had dropped him off would still be around, downstairs.
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5) He got in the elevator; he slumped into unconsciousness...

[Edited 8/21/16 18:07pm]

As I said before, the Narcan would have cleared his system of their effects so the tests subsequently undertaken came back clear...Admittedly, this doesn't make him a long-term user, BUT it does suggest that it wasn't the first time he had taken these pills.
.There are medical people on this board who are saying Narcon does not remove the trace of drugs from your hair. The ME would have been able to do a hair folic test to determine how long he had been taking Fentanyl and that test can go back 90 days and some medical people are saying Narcon does not complelty remove drugs from your blood system. The ME would have been very sure to say it was an accidental overdose and that he was not a long term user if this goes to trail the whole case will rest on that.

We are not sure what he took on the plane and we do know that paramedicas give Narcon shots when peole are unconcious. I also wonder how a person can have a bag of illegal pills on a plane and be allowed to leave the hospital with those same people and not have the cops called. Did they give him back his illegal pills or were the pills he had on the plane illegal?

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

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That is not the case at all. The authorities are telling you that they did not find that he was a long term user of F and that he overdose came from mis labled pills that he took in the last 24 hours of his life.

He was seeing a doc for withdrawals so we all know he had a problem with pain meds but apparently not the ones that killed him.

Please tell me you do not find this strange. I like I said before I believe the police are looking at this as a murder investigation and I will bet money we will see an arrest soon. We are not living in a state of denial about any of this and once we find out the who that is involved in this we will know more.

But, but, but - they are also saying - and the BBC is now clarifying it:
.
'The official said Prince had many of these pills with him a week before his death when his airplane made an emergency stop in Illinois after he fell ill'.

.

So:

1) How do they know he had these pills with him that day, and on the 'plane? Somebody must have said he had them...
.

2) Assuming he took them, and this causes an OD on the 'plane, then the Narcan shots were justified - but what then? They rushed him to the hospital - and then he was allowed to leave with those same people who knew he had them?

As I said before, the Narcan would have cleared his system of their effects so the tests subsequently undertaken came back clear...Admittedly, this doesn't make him a long-term user, BUT it does suggest that it wasn't the first time he had taken these pills.
.

3) Did 'they' take them off him, assuming that would mean he was safe? And he got hold of more? Or did they do nothing / left him alone, knowing he still had them?

.

I will say that all of this focus on his clothes seems bizarre...To me, the following seems more probable, although it IS still speculation:
.

1) He saw Dr S early on April 20th, most likely for withdrawal symptoms, amongst possible other things; he had examinations / tests. He was wearing the black slip-on, loose clothing - the exact outfit in which he was found. It is highly possible he had to undress during that appointment. He was agitated. He wanted to get out of there. He put the clothes on back to front in his haste to leave.

.

2) He was given prescriptions during that appointment. He went to Walgreens at 7pm to fill a prescription. We know the prescription(s) were not for opiates. However, he subsequently had anti-anxiety medication found in his system. It is possible that the prescription was for those, particularly as he was described as being agitated.

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3) He was dropped off at home at 8pm, still wearing the black clothing. He was still agitated. The illicit medications were presumably upstairs - described as being in his 'dressing room' and luggage. He just wanted to get up there to take his anxiety meds asap - he had no time to turn on the security cameras. He went upstairs. He took his anti-anxiety meds; he thought they would calm him; he wants to take his mind off things; he takes off his shoes; he talks to Will Smith; he is still in pain; he takes the tainted hydrocodone. He had NOT got undressed from before, but he lies down to wait for the meds to take effect.
.

4) The effects hit quickly; he staggered to the elevator, to go back downstairs - perhaps he wanted to go to the kitchen for some water; perhaps he wanted air; perhaps he thought, in his confused and panicked state that whoever had dropped him off would still be around, downstairs.
.

5) He got in the elevator; he slumped into unconsciousness...

[Edited 8/21/16 18:07pm]

That is absolutely untrue. Narcan would not have any effect on a drug test. It does not eliminate opioids from the body, just knocks it off the receptors in the brain and allows respiratory function to return to normal. So if a post-airplane drug test showed no fentanyl, P did not ingest fentanyl.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

muleFunk said:

I'm playing Devil's advocate here.....

I have $300,000,000 million reasons especially if I know he has no will and I can get a fair share of the money.

Not saying this did or didn't happen but Warner Brothers just made a chunk of change in the last couple of months. Prince didn't make a dime.

Yeah that thought has crossed my mind a bit

That's not correct. WB would still be responsible for paying out proceeds for Prince's share of royalties, licensing, etc. to the estate.

fanoftheman said:

leftcoast said:

purplerabbithole said: Maybe the pills did not come from a pharmacy.

this too:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/official-pills-found-at-princes-estate-contained-fentanyl/news-story/802897c40c4dbf64da37945b3ec9dc86

Oxycondone in another name at the scene also.. perhaps this is what he got from Walgreens?? whoever has been getting the persciptions stuff in their name is in BIG trouble...

He got nothing from Walgreens or any pharmacy in the entire state of Minn for at least 12 months. The Oxy was in someone else's name and they did not say that was found in his system.

roxy831 said:

teach49 said:

I've thought this before. I guess it could be hard to prove, but it just seems that if it were that simple, this would be over.

Please yaw'll don't beat me down, but it's documented and testified that Chaka is CURRENTLY in treatment for fentanyl dependency. Her dependency issue dates back decades. Therefore, P has been in at least second degree association with Chaka's provider since the 90's at latest....i'm just sayin'.....We can name a few others.....

Stop making up shit. You do not know that Chaka Khan has been using Fentanyl for decades this stuff did not make it to the streets until the 90s. In addtion there must be 100 of people P associated with in the music industry that used drugs his own sister was on drugs.

They already told you that the F was in his system from the last 24 hours.

laurarichardson said:

Bebop17 said:

Dibblekins said:

But, but, but - they are also saying - and the BBC is now clarifying it:
.
'The official said Prince had many of these pills with him a week before his death when his airplane made an emergency stop in Illinois after he fell ill'.

That is absolutely untrue. Narcan would not have any effect on a drug test. It does not eliminate opioids from the body, just knocks it off the receptors in the brain and allows respiratory function to return to normal. So if a post-airplane drug test showed no fentanyl, P did not ingest fentanyl.

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OK - BUT he still - apparently - had those pills on the 'plane. So he was carrying them around, just in case - which is possible, I suppose.

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Nevertheless, SOMEBODY subsequently had to report that he had them, so SOMEBODY on that 'plane with him knew they were in his possession - and let him go home (alone) with them, despite him having an almost fatal illness on board (which could have been an OD, we can't be sure).

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If that's the case, maybe that person really believed they were Vitamin C / aspirin - in which case, WHO obtained the pills? It could still be P himself!

laurarichardson said:

BlackandRising said:

I'm not given to conspriacy theories, but, damn, this sounds incredibly suspicious.

Found dead, in an elevator, with clothes on backwards, after taking a drug he obviously thought was safe, but contained a deady dose of fentanyl.

If he had a pill that was "mislabeled" or something to that effect, it must have been from an illicit source. If this was the case, and the same pills were being sold/given to others, I would assume there would be a number of fentanyl-related incidents/deaths around the same time. Or, heaven forbid, someone knowingly gave him a pill, labeled as hydrocodone, but was actually fentanyl.

If this was the case, and the same pills were being sold/given to others, I would assume there would be a number of fentanyl-related incidents/deaths around the same time.

Good question. If someone is selling them in the area have other people died from this in Minnesota?

It's a nation-wide epidemic .

beautyunaffected said:

Did anyone else notice in the last months whenever Kirk was pictured in a photo with Prince he always had a black duffel bag with him?

Can you post a photo or a link regarding Kirk having a black duffel bag?

EnDoRpHn said:

herb4 said:

EddieC said:

I really don't understand the idea here. He's dead? And then they decide to dress him (so he can be found in a few hours in an elevator) in order to hide something? What? Why would his being found some other way be more suspicious? And then, in this effort to cover something up, which they might have had "several hours" to carry out, they get his clothes wrong? Which, apparently, is an extremely suspicious thing to a lot of people, and they could have fixed. I don't understand what people are getting at.

Really, why wouldn't they just leave him as he is, unclothed or whatever, rather than go to all this trouble? What on earth do people think they're hiding? If there's something to hide, it would seem to be all the illicit pills, especially the ones with other people's names on them.

I gotta say, the idea that he dressed himself wrong and died in an elevator all by himself makes as much sense as anything else I'm hearing here. Why fiddle around with moving someone who's died of a drug overdose around and dress him in some sort of cover up operation? The drugs are in the body--anything you're covering up is outside of the body, and (apparently) sitting in vitamin bottles in the suitcase.

So, my theory (right now)--he died in the elevator, from an accidental overdose. He was left alone, and found in the morning, when, where, and how it was originally reported he was found. There are people who did illegal things to help Prince get the drugs that killed him--they were not the drugs they thought they were getting, and he died from taking them in a way that probably would have worked if they'd been what he thought (but maybe not, because there's always a risk, especially if he had been trying to clean up which would change the effects of what he was taking even if it was what he was used to). The clothes are an insignificant distraction.

Seriously. Putting his clothes on BACKWARDS along with putting the fucking DRUGS that killed him in his pocket seems like a really stupid way of covering up a crime. You're being way too logical and apparently that shit doesn't fly around here. I'm absolutely astonished at some of the shit I'm reading from conspiracy people here. Totally stunned. Even the cops don't suspect foul play. Or, wait, are they in on it too?

The only mystery to figure out here is who got him the counterfeit pills. That's it. Someone's in serious trouble there but it it's not a fucking murder charge.

I forgot about the pills in his pocket! Yep, that would sure make sense.

Bebop17 said:

laurarichardson said:

If this was the case, and the same pills were being sold/given to others, I would assume there would be a number of fentanyl-related incidents/deaths around the same time.

Good question. If someone is selling them in the area have other people died from this in Minnesota?

It's a nation-wide epidemic .

We are talking about in P's neck of the woods

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

Stop making up shit. You do not know that Chaka Khan has been using Fentanyl for decades this stuff did not make it to the streets until the 90s. In addtion there must be 100 of people P associated with in the music industry that used drugs his own sister was on drugs.

They already told you that the F was in his system from the last 24 hours.

I said nothing about Chaka using Fentanyl for decades. I said "P has been at least in second degree association with providers" for at the latest, the 90's. AND I acknowledge he was an adult when he came into the business in the 80's. Please slow your eyes down and contimplate on the business P was in. Thank you in advance.

roxy831 said:

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

I said nothing about Chaka using Fentanyl for decades. I said "P has been at least in second degree association with providers" for at the latest, the 90's. AND I acknowledge he was an adult when he came into the business in the 80's. Please slow your eyes down and contimplate on the business P was in. Thank you in advance.

So what does his secondary association have to do with the price of bread?

So many people even going back to the 80s have said he was not a drug user back in the day.

People even said he would drop a women over drugs. So he will let a piece of tail go because of dope.

laurarichardson said:

Bebop17 said:

It's a nation-wide epidemic .

We are talking about in P's neck of the woods

This article from ST earlier in April of this year:

http://www.startribune.com/officials-sound-the-alarm-over-deadly-synthetic-fentanyl-in-minnesota/374352711/

EddieC said:

herb4 said:

Seriously. Putting his clothes on BACKWARDS along with putting the fucking DRUGS that killed him in his pocket seems like a really stupid way of covering up a crime. You're being way too logical and apparently that shit doesn't fly around here. I'm absolutely astonished at some of the shit I'm reading from conspiracy people here. Totally stunned. Even the cops don't suspect foul play. Or, wait, are they in on it too?

The only mystery to figure out here is who got him the counterfeit pills. That's it. Someone's in serious trouble there but it it's not a fucking murder charge.

I forgot about the pills in his pocket! Yep, that would sure make sense.

But why would he put the pills in his pocket and how would he do take if his pants were on backwards. I can see getting up sick and confused and having your clothes turned around but it hard to put something in your pocket backward. I also am having a hard time understanding how he would have been able to leave that hospital in Moline with a big bad of drugs.

laurarichardson said:

EddieC said:

I forgot about the pills in his pocket! Yep, that would sure make sense.

But why would he put the pills in his pocket and how would he do take if his pants were on backwards. I can see getting up sick and confused and having your clothes turned around but it hard to put something in your pocket backward. I also am having a hard time understanding how he would have been able to leave that hospital in Moline with a big bad of drugs.

Depends on where the pocket was--a big pocket set toward the outside of the leg? Maybe. A small pocket toward the front inside? Probably not. But I can't see anyone else doing it after they'd dressed him either, without noticing the pants were on wrong.

Ladyoflzur said:

purplerabbithole said:

He was probably wearing underwear at the time. But when he went to grab his clothes they were on the floor or something (like maybe he had taken them off earlier and then after taking the pills just grabbed them off the floor throwing them on the way they laid.

The medical examiner also said that he was wearing a hat! Why would he be walking around in underwear and a hat?! God this is terrible! Someone must've gotten him dressed but why? And why the hat?!

You gotta be shitting me. I hope to god you're being sarcastic. Nobody dressed him. Nobody murdered him. This is getting out of hand.

laurarichardson said:

roxy831 said:

I said nothing about Chaka using Fentanyl for decades. I said "P has been at least in second degree association with providers" for at the latest, the 90's. AND I acknowledge he was an adult when he came into the business in the 80's. Please slow your eyes down and contimplate on the business P was in. Thank you in advance.

So what does his secondary association have to do with the price of bread?

So many people even going back to the 80s have said he was not a drug user back in the day.

People even said he would drop a women over drugs. So he will let a piece of tail go because of dope.

Sociologically and psychologically speaking...When in need, the name and number was ALWAYS there. You fill in the blanks knowing he was hurting at least physically (this does NOT include emotional and spiritual hurt).

rogifan said:

roxy831 said:

Please yaw'll don't beat me down, but it's documented and testified that Chaka is CURRENTLY in treatment for fentanyl dependency. Her dependency issue dates back decades. Therefore, P has been in at least second degree association with Chaka's provider since the 90's at latest....i'm just sayin'.....We can name a few others.....

Talk about conspiracy theories. Anyway I hope if something is going down it happens soon and we can be past this by the time of the tribute concert.

Half the crazy people here won't believe it anyway, regardless of what comes out.

Narcan doesn't remove the drugs from your system. It blocks the the drugs from reaching the receptors to your brain. In other words, you can't take a Narcan shot and pass a drug test the next day.

laurarichardson said:

Bebop17 said:

It's a nation-wide epidemic .

We are talking about in P's neck of the woods

LOL OK. Because it's unimaginable that he could get them anywhere else. He never travelled, nor did anyone he knew. Oh wait.

In any event, scroll down that page and find a Minnesota link from April. Or check out the same link in teach49's post just above.

laurarichardson said:

roxy831 said:

I said nothing about Chaka using Fentanyl for decades. I said "P has been at least in second degree association with providers" for at the latest, the 90's. AND I acknowledge he was an adult when he came into the business in the 80's. Please slow your eyes down and contimplate on the business P was in. Thank you in advance.

So what does his secondary association have to do with the price of bread?

So many people even going back to the 80s have said he was not a drug user back in the day.

He would be close friends with someone who now how to procure this stuff. It's a common way for people to buy illicit and illegal drugs. Typically the main way in fact.

Ladyoflzur said:

purplerabbithole said:

He was probably wearing underwear at the time. But when he went to grab his clothes they were on the floor or something (like maybe he had taken them off earlier and then after taking the pills just grabbed them off the floor throwing them on the way they laid.

The medical examiner also said that he was wearing a hat! Why would he be walking around in underwear and a hat?! God this is terrible! Someone must've gotten him dressed but why? And why the hat?!

OK - I'm sorry - it's the stress of it all - but this just made me snort so loudly with laughter that I think I might have woken the neighbours!

206Michelle said:

beautyunaffected said:

Did anyone else notice in the last months whenever Kirk was pictured in a photo with Prince he always had a black duffel bag with him?

Can you post a photo or a link regarding Kirk having a black duffel bag?

Is this Prince and Kirk? Prince is holding the bag.

http://www.justjared.com/...barts-03/

BillieBalloon said:

MMJas said:

Not very easy to digest the thought that he might have feltsomething was wrong and dressed up in a hurry to get some help. That is terribly distressing. Here we were all wishing he died

Edited: when i say peacefully, I mean falling asleep from the medication, slowing down of respiration or whatever.

[Edited 8/21/16 15:55pm]

I know. It's hurtful to think that this person who was a proud man found himself in circumstances such as these. It's not easy to read or digest.

The saddest part is he took it within 24 hours of going into rehab. He wanted help, he wanted to live.

206Michelle said:

LoriJ said: