EnDoRpHn said:

herb4 said:

Shit dude, my fault. I apologize. I thought you were implying that I was in denial. I wasn't the only one that took it that way either but sorry for the misunderstanding.

No skin off my nose. At least you didn't accuse me of being a murderer.

Hmmmm...come to think of it, where were YOU, Prince.org user member "EnDoRpHn", if that even IS your REAL name, on the night of April 21st? Gonna keep my eye on you.

Ladyoflzur said:

Clothes on backwards,pills mislabeled. Sounds like foul play to me! How did he zip his pants if they were on backwards?! He wouldn't have! Someone dressed him! This just keeps getting worse. What in the world really happened to our Prince?!

Pretty sure his pants were the pull-on yoga type. No zippers, buttons, or snaps. That's just based on the photo of him that day and I do believe he had the same outfit on.

leadline said:

XxAxX said:

i'd believe he put his clothes on all wrong but for these: prince was fastidious, he would have put the clothes on right. and also, prince didn't ever seem to be a very modest guy.

i think if he needed help, he'd have gone out in search wearing just his shorts. or, nothing at all. i doubt prince would have taken the time to put on socks and shirt and pants in a rush if he were aware that he were overdosing again....

Exactly, in a panic situation, the last thing you are thinking about is what you are wearing.

EnDoRpHn said:

herb4 said:

All right. You can post meaningless platitudes in an attempt to be deep or you can answer my question. It's a patently absurd theory. Or was 9/11 an inside job and the moon landing faked? In which case, I'll just let myself out.

[Edited 8/21/16 16:46pm]

Don't be so dense. I was agreeing with you. You asked why someone would make up a hairbrained scheme that he was murdered.

I guess I have to be more literal: they don't want to accept the fact that he had a problem with opioids that led to his untimely demise.

Quite. The counterfeit pills were obtained not through a pharmacy but on the black market. Conspiracy theories should end right there. Prince was taking pills surreptitiously because he didn't want people to know he had a problem with opioids. It's that simple.

purplerabbithole said:

There is no denying that these medications killed the man.

The problem is with the narrative of what happened.

Those of you are jumping up and saying people are crazy for saying that he was murdered are just as crazy for saying that he was a drug fiend scoring smack in Minnesota.

You have close friends and employees saying contrary to what you are saying.

Bottom line here is that this thing according to these new reports wasn't a long time thing even if it was the drug addiction angle. You are telling me that a person like Prince bought some fake Vicodin when he could have found someone with a legal Rx to buy from? He could have paid for 3 familes to go to Disney World and go to pain clinic in Florida with a story about a trick knee and get a 15 day supply and have his mule waiting in the car after they get out the drug store.

That's what real pill mules do to get drugs. He didn't have to depend on this fake shit to get high.

Ladyoflzur said:

Clothes on backwards,pills mislabeled. Sounds like foul play to me!

Please, I've done the clothes backwards thing when I've been really hungover. Or maybe it was someone trying to kill me. Yeah, that was it.

fortuneandserendipity said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Don't be so dense. I was agreeing with you. You asked why someone would make up a hairbrained scheme that he was murdered.

I guess I have to be more literal: they don't want to accept the fact that he had a problem with opioids that led to his untimely demise.

Quite. The counterfeit pills were obtained not through a pharmacy but on the black market. Conspiracy theories should end right there. Prince was taking pills surreptitiously because he didn't want people to know he had a problem with opioids. It's that simple.

It would be that simple if that was the case.

There were people that knew he was on pain meds.

If he wanted more he could have gotten legit meds through high market mules and not going mail order.

herb4 said:

Some people on this thread are on drugs judging by their take on what happened.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Ladyoflzur said:

purplerabbithole said:

He was probably wearing underwear at the time. But when he went to grab his clothes they were on the floor or something (like maybe he had taken them off earlier and then after taking the pills just grabbed them off the floor throwing them on the way they laid.

The medical examiner also said that he was wearing a hat! Why would he be walking around in underwear and a hat?! God this is terrible! Someone must've gotten him dressed but why? And why the hat?!

He probably died after talking to Will Smith the night/early morning of April 20/21. He didn't take off his clothes from the night before.

Ladyoflzur said:

purplerabbithole said:

He was probably wearing underwear at the time. But when he went to grab his clothes they were on the floor or something (like maybe he had taken them off earlier and then after taking the pills just grabbed them off the floor throwing them on the way they laid.

The medical examiner also said that he was wearing a hat! Why would he be walking around in underwear and a hat?! God this is terrible! Someone must've gotten him dressed but why? And why the hat?!

He was wearing the outfit he wore earlier that day. He was known to stay up all night. I tend to think he never got out of his clothes. They were yoga-type pull-on clothes that are easy to mix up. He allegedly went to the doctor earlier that day. I tend to think he put them on wrong when at the doctor. I've been deathly ill before with a very long recovery. The only time I put my clothes on wrong was after one the the numerous dr. appts I had during my long recovery. P wasn't feeling well. You just want to get the hell out of the doctor's office and get home (and I tend to wear similar clothing if I'm not going anywhere special).

Just my two cents. Of course it's speculation. We just don't know.

[Edited 8/21/16 17:49pm]

muleFunk said:

rogifan said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Quite. The counterfeit pills were obtained not through a pharmacy but on the black market. Conspiracy theories should end right there. Prince was taking pills surreptitiously because he didn't want people to know he had a problem with opioids. It's that simple.

Though if it was that simple you'd think the investigation would be complete by now.

Won't be complete until and unless they have enough evidence to charge someone. Really the only viable explanation for why it has gone on this long -- if they had ruled out any criminal culpability (i.e., Prince OD'ed on his own Rx meds.), they would have closed it a while ago.

muleFunk said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Quite. The counterfeit pills were obtained not through a pharmacy but on the black market. Conspiracy theories should end right there. Prince was taking pills surreptitiously because he didn't want people to know he had a problem with opioids. It's that simple.

It would be that simple if that was the case.

There were people that knew he was on pain meds.

If he wanted more he could have gotten legit meds through high market mules and not going mail order.

What does the mule in your name refer to?

leftcoast said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why would the pharmacy have illicit drugs? Well, maybe they are investigating the pharmacy as well. No wonder it taking so long.

Maybe the pills did not come from a pharmacy.

this too:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/official-pills-found-at-princes-estate-contained-fentanyl/news-story/802897c40c4dbf64da37945b3ec9dc86

Oxycondone in another name at the scene also.. perhaps this is what he got from Walgreens?? whoever has been getting the persciptions stuff in their name is in BIG trouble...

teach49 said:

muleFunk said:

If this was as simple as Kirk he would be in jail already.

I've thought this before. I guess it could be hard to prove, but it just seems that if it were that simple, this would be over.

Please yaw'll don't beat me down, but it's documented and testified that Chaka is CURRENTLY in treatment for fentanyl dependency. Her dependency issue dates back decades. Therefore, P has been in at least second degree association with Chaka's provider since the 90's at latest....i'm just sayin'.....We can name a few others.....

laurarichardson said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Don't be so dense. I was agreeing with you. You asked why someone would make up a hairbrained scheme that he was murdered.

I guess I have to be more literal: they don't want to accept the fact that he had a problem with opioids that led to his untimely demise.

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That is not the case at all. The authorities are telling you that they did not find that he was a long term user of F and that he overdose came from mis labled pills that he took in the last 24 hours of his life.

He was seeing a doc for withdrawals so we all know he had a problem with pain meds but apparently not the ones that killed him.

Please tell me you do not find this strange. I like I said before I believe the police are looking at this as a murder investigation and I will bet money we will see an arrest soon. We are not living in a state of denial about any of this and once we find out the who that is involved in this we will know more.

How is this not the case at all?

Yes, there is no evidence that he was a long-term user of Fentanyl, that he ever attempted to acquire Fentanyl, or that he ever believed himself to be taking Fentanyl.

But how do you explain the fact that he would end up dying from Fentanyl from black market pills labelled as hydrocodone? Do you really think that Prince just decided one day that something hurt, and he needed some Vicodin?

There is nothing to suggest he ever took opiods for anything other than pain, but clearly he was struggling if a) no one around him knew he was taking them and b) he was so desperate for pain relief that he ended up taking counterfeit meds.

That doesn't make it any less a tragedy. Perhaps moreso. It certainly doesn't mean that no one else has culpabiity in his death.

But those facts don't diminish any of my respect for Prince as an artist or a person. I'm not ok with him losing his life to circumstances beyond his control. But there's nothing you or I can do to change what happened. I remember someone saying "Prince, please get help!" on one of the threads about the airplane incident in Moline, before he died. It's an awful feeling not to have any control or influence on someone, but we're all here as fans and admirers of a celebrity, not as a member of his family or immediate circle of friends.

All that we can do is accept it, chalk it up as a life lesson (if there is one there) and move on.

laurarichardson said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Don't be so dense. I was agreeing with you. You asked why someone would make up a hairbrained scheme that he was murdered.

I guess I have to be more literal: they don't want to accept the fact that he had a problem with opioids that led to his untimely demise.

--

That is not the case at all. The authorities are telling you that they did not find that he was a long term user of F and that he overdose came from mis labled pills that he took in the last 24 hours of his life.

He was seeing a doc for withdrawals so we all know he had a problem with pain meds but apparently not the ones that killed him.

Please tell me you do not find this strange. I like I said before I believe the police are looking at this as a murder investigation and I will bet money we will see an arrest soon. We are not living in a state of denial about any of this and once we find out the who that is involved in this we will know more.

But, but, but - they are also saying - and the BBC is now clarifying it:
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'The official said Prince had many of these pills with him a week before his death when his airplane made an emergency stop in Illinois after he fell ill'.

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So:

1) How do they know he had these pills with him that day, and on the 'plane? Somebody must have said he had them...
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2) Assuming he took them, and this causes an OD on the 'plane, then the Narcan shots were justified - but what then? They rushed him to the hospital - and then he was allowed to leave with those same people who knew he had them?

As I said before, the Narcan would have cleared his system of their effects so the tests subsequently undertaken came back clear...Admittedly, this doesn't make him a long-term user, BUT it does suggest that it wasn't the first time he had taken these pills.
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3) Did 'they' take them off him, assuming that would mean he was safe? And he got hold of more? Or did they do nothing / left him alone, knowing he still had them?

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I will say that all of this focus on his clothes seems bizarre...To me, the following seems more probable, although it IS still speculation:
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1) He saw Dr S early on April 20th, most likely for withdrawal symptoms, amongst possible other things; he had examinations / tests. He was wearing the black slip-on, loose clothing - the exact outfit in which he was found. It is highly possible he had to undress during that appointment. He was agitated. He wanted to get out of there. He put the clothes on back to front in his haste to leave.

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2) He was given prescriptions during that appointment. He went to Walgreens at 7pm to fill a prescription. We know the prescription(s) were not for opiates. However, he subsequently had anti-anxiety medication found in his system. It is possible that the prescription was for those, particularly as he was described as being agitated.

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3) He was dropped off at home at 8pm, still wearing the black clothing. He was still agitated. The illicit medications were presumably upstairs - described as being in his 'dressing room' and luggage. He just wanted to get up there to take his anxiety meds asap - he had no time to turn on the security cameras. He went upstairs. He took his anti-anxiety meds; he thought they would calm him; he wants to take his mind off things; he takes off his shoes; he talks to Will Smith; he is still in pain; he takes the tainted hydrocodone. He had NOT got undressed from before, but he lies down to wait for the meds to take effect.
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4) The effects hit quickly; he staggered to the elevator, to go back downstairs - perhaps he wanted to go to the kitchen for some water; perhaps he wanted air; perhaps he thought, in his confused and panicked state that whoever had dropped him off would still be around, downstairs.
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5) He got in the elevator; he slumped into unconsciousness...

[Edited 8/21/16 18:07pm]

teach49 said:

Ladyoflzur said:

purplerabbithole said: The medical examiner also said that he was wearing a hat! Why would he be walking around in underwear and a hat?! God this is terrible! Someone must've gotten him dressed but why? And why the hat?!

He was wearing the outfit he wore earlier that day. He was known to stay up all night. I tend to think he never got out of his clothes. They were yoga-type pull-on clothes that are easy to mix up. He allegedly went to the doctor earlier that day. I tend to think he put them on wrong when at the doctor. I've been deathly ill before with a very long recovery. The only time I put my clothes on wrong was after one the the numerous dr. appts I had during my long recovery. P wasn't feeling well. You just want to get the hell out of the doctor's office and get home (and I tend to wear similar clothing if I'm not going anywhere special).

Just my two cents. Of course it's speculation. We just don't know.

[Edited 8/21/16 17:49pm]

this guts me but I will say that when I was stabliing on my meds, I put on my yoga pants and tank backwards and went to the grocery store in them. a woman told me in line that they were on wrong. i can only imagine that upon taking meds, he started feeling ill, dizzy or "off", started to panic (remembering the plane incident) and grabbed clothes off the floor to try to find help. how many times have we thought we had "enough time" to make it to the toilet to barf but panicked last second because we realized we wouldn't make it? not to make light, but just as an example.

he was a tight dresser for work, but at home I am sure he just relaxed like we all do, didn't he say to Oprah that when not working "He is clean" (no makeup, no fancy clothing etc)

Speculation at best on my side.

Also the idea of buying somebody else's legal scripts, can you imagine the blackmail they would have over him for God knows how long? If he bought or had somebody buy it for him off street, it would be their (dealer's) word over his word (Prince would vigorously defend his image) of course, he could've bought it online too - the know how is out there, it is not hard at all.

roxy831 said:

I'm not given to conspriacy theories, but, damn, this sounds incredibly suspicious.

Found dead, in an elevator, with clothes on backwards, after taking a drug he obviously thought was safe, but contained a deady dose of fentanyl.

If he had a pill that was "mislabeled" or something to that effect, it must have been from an illicit source. If this was the case, and the same pills were being sold/given to others, I would assume there would be a number of fentanyl-related incidents/deaths around the same time. Or, heaven forbid, someone knowingly gave him a pill, labeled as hydrocodone, but was actually fentanyl.

EnDoRpHn said:

laurarichardson said:

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That is not the case at all. The authorities are telling you that they did not find that he was a long term user of F and that he overdose came from mis labled pills that he took in the last 24 hours of his life.

He was seeing a doc for withdrawals so we all know he had a problem with pain meds but apparently not the ones that killed him.

Please tell me you do not find this strange. I like I said before I believe the police are looking at this as a murder investigation and I will bet money we will see an arrest soon. We are not living in a state of denial about any of this and once we find out the who that is involved in this we will know more.

How is this not the case at all?

Yes, there is no evidence that he was a long-term user of Fentanyl, that he ever attempted to acquire Fentanyl, or that he ever believed himself to be taking Fentanyl.

But how do you explain the fact that he would end up dying from Fentanyl from black market pills labelled as hydrocodone? Do you really think that Prince just decided one day that something hurt, and he needed some Vicodin?

There is nothing to suggest he ever took opiods for anything other than pain, but clearly he was struggling if a) no one around him knew he was taking them and b) he was so desperate for pain relief that he ended up taking counterfeit meds.

That doesn't make it any less a tragedy. Perhaps moreso. It certainly doesn't mean that no one else has culpabiity in his death.

But those facts don't diminish any of my respect for Prince as an artist or a person. I'm not ok with him losing his life to circumstances beyond his control. But there's nothing you or I can do to change what happened. I remember someone saying "Prince, please get help!" on one of the threads about the airplane incident in Moline, before he died. It's an awful feeling not to have any control or influence on someone, but we're all here as fans and admirers of a celebrity, not as a member of his family or immediate circle of friends.

All that we can do is accept it, chalk it up as a life lesson (if there is one there) and move on.

hey don't want to accept the fact that he had a problem with opioids that led to his untimely demise.

We are accepting we all know what he died from how much more acceptance do you want.

But how do you explain the fact that he would end up dying from Fentanyl from black market pills labelled as hydrocodone

The fact that he thought he was taking hydrocodone and he was given bootleg pills.

What we do not know if he had been taking the hydrocodone before as we have never found out what he was withdrawing from the first place.

The say they found no F from his previous test that he took with his doctor what else did they find in those test?

What were the test results? What were the test results for Organ damage, Cancer or just poor health from withdrawals?

How was he able to get around the way he did if he was on this hydrocodone or any other pain meds? What was in this system in Moline?

Had he withdrawn and perhaps relasped and was just picking up this batch.

So many things we do not know about his use of this meds but the picture is coming together and do not think it is as black and white as you are making it.

[Edited 8/21/16 18:19pm]

BlackandRising said:

I'm not given to conspriacy theories, but, damn, this sounds incredibly suspicious.

Found dead, in an elevator, with clothes on backwards, after taking a drug he obviously thought was safe, but contained a deady dose of fentanyl.

If he had a pill that was "mislabeled" or something to that effect, it must have been from an illicit source. If this was the case, and the same pills were being sold/given to others, I would assume there would be a number of fentanyl-related incidents/deaths around the same time. Or, heaven forbid, someone knowingly gave him a pill, labeled as hydrocodone, but was actually fentanyl.

If this was the case, and the same pills were being sold/given to others, I would assume there would be a number of fentanyl-related incidents/deaths around the same time.

Good question. If someone is selling them in the area have other people died from this in Minnesota?

Doesn't this newest realization actually disprove the earlier article from the Daily Mail. Daily Mail is trying to restate at the end of their article about the counterfit pills that Prince had formally been an fentanyl addict with a tolerance. But if he died from a overdose of fentanyl recently and he had none in his system on April 17th, doesn't it prove he really have no tolerance.

Maybe that Doctor D had sold some to Prince at one time or another, but decided to exagerrate his addiction and tolerance for a payoff by the DM.

Also another note, I am super bummed that now when people watch any footage of him recently they will assume he is bombed out of his head. His music, humor and quirkiness will be overshadowed by Drug suspicions.

Just tragic.

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teach49 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Doesn't this newest realization actually disprove the earlier article from the Daily Mail. Daily Mail is trying to restate at the end of their article about the counterfit pills that Prince had formally been an fentanyl addict with a tolerance. But if he died from a overdose of fentanyl recently and he had none in his system on April 17th, doesn't it prove he really have no tolerance.

Maybe that Doctor D had sold some to Prince at one time or another, but decided to exagerrate his addiction and tolerance for a payoff by the DM.

Also another note, I am super bummed that now when people watch any footage of him recently they will assume he is bombed out of his head. His music, humor and quirkiness will be overshadowed by Drug suspicions.

Just tragic.

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Because the whole interview is fake. The faked an interview they did with Anna Fantasic so why is this a surprise.

They'll only assume that if they're idiots. Most people can appreciate the difference between a recreational user and someone who's alleviating pain.