PurpleDiamonds1 said:

CooperC62057 said:

Bottom line. Autopsy says fentanyl. No prescription for that? Believe it got there however you see it - he knew, he didn't, someone fed it to him - everyone's opinion is their right. Fentanyl doesn't belong in your system naturally. If it was there for any reason other than a normal dosage prescribed by a doctor, it is murder and someone is responsible. Someone needs to be held accountable.

Agree!

Who would murder Prince and why? This place is crazy.

leadline said:

herb4 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

CooperC62057 said: Agree!

Who would murder Prince and why? This place is crazy.

You know the saying, Denial ain't a river in Egypt.

herb4 said:

babynoz said:

Whomever is leaking info to the Trib wants us to believe a certain narrative about P.

YES.

Jessica55 said:

2olskool4u said:

And some of you wonder why Kirky is so fucking quiet and lawyered up to the eyeballs?? I wouldn't mind betting he may well be in the deepest of shit (allegedly)

This right here. Obviously (or maybe not so obviously based on the loony shit I've been reading here) it was accident but this, combined with my outlined explanation I posted earlier, seems about right. If we keep this shit simple and look at it with clear, logical eyes and connect the dots, it's relatively obvious what happened here minus a few details.

Are we not allowed to talk or speculate about Kirk? Someone seemed to sort of start to and then stopped short for fear of the thread getting locked.

LBrent said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

You people in the medical field kill me. Everytime I go to the doctor to get a complet physical I am told by doctor that she is running a test for everything. ( She is on point and not lazy) So these test are for everything even stuff I did not ask about. I am pretty sure if this doctor were seeing Prince for a specifc reason. ( withdrawals for pain meds and he almost fucking died) that this doctor would be giving him a complete exam. I am sorry if I am not using the correct verberage but why would this Dr come to P with the test results the next day if the test were not of any importance?

They did report that he had test from the Dr the day before and used that along with the ME report to determine that he was not a long term user.

You are really reaching. That's all I'm saying. And it doesnt do any good to make something out of nothing. I have a complete blood work up too but it doesn't include drug screening at my annual exam. In fact that would be a civil rights violation f privacy. You can't just go around taking people's blood and testing it for whatever you feel like. You need the patients consent. I'm sure that process was followed in dr s case but my point is that you can't say he was clean when you don't even know what was done or what the results were.

Please see the information from the article below. The test were prior to his death. Meaning they were Dr. S's test. This is from the article which you should try reading. I also do not know why a Doctor he had already been seing would not have his permission to test for drugs????

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died. According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were.

The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.

EnDoRpHn said:

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said: No, actually I don't walk around my house in just sox cuz we have a dog. I'm anemic so my feet are cold. I wear sox until I go to walk around cuz I have plantar fasciitis, so I need the support of slippers under my feet when walking...We also have a dog. Sox, doggyness on the sox as I walk around, Sox in bed...I love animals, but Ew,no... If I were dressing to leave my house, I would remember to at least grab my shoes. T fact that P's clothing was on incorrectly and he was shoeless leads me to believe that he was dressed by someone else. I realize that it was probably not easy, but P was small and it's not that difficult. Especially when you know that you're setting a scene to keep yourself out of jail. It can be done. And if he died April 20th, you had several hours to get it done because he wasn't expected to be seen until the morning of April 21st.

And how exactly do you know that he was dressing to leave his house???

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have proof someone else was there?

(At this point, I should play a Babynoz and claim you're accusing ME of being the one to do it.)

Jaysus Harold Christ...

I no bodda nobody. You and lwr came at me sideways, first of all, then get in your feelings when I set things straight.....stoppit.

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said:

You never walk around your house in socks? Like I said before, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. He took his shoes off, and just didn't think to put them on before he got on the elevator.

I would think the police dept./ME probably looked for his shoes and accounted for them. It just isn't in the public information.

Why would you assume he had to get dressed? Maybe he got home, took his shoes off, and just stayed that way.

Do you think maybe someone stole them and they will show up on eBay?

No, actually I don't walk around my house in just sox cuz we have a dog. I'm anemic so my feet are cold. I wear sox until I go to walk around cuz I have plantar fasciitis, so I need the support of slippers under my feet when walking...We also have a dog. Sox, doggyness on the sox as I walk around, Sox in bed...I love animals, but Ew,no... If I were dressing to leave my house, I would remember to at least grab my shoes. T fact that P's clothing was on incorrectly and he was shoeless leads me to believe that he was dressed by someone else. I realize that it was probably not easy, but P was small and it's not that difficult. Especially when you know that you're setting a scene to keep yourself out of jail. It can be done. And if he died April 20th, you had several hours to get it done because he wasn't expected to be seen until the morning of April 21st.

I really don't understand the idea here. He's dead? And then they decide to dress him (so he can be found in a few hours in an elevator) in order to hide something? What? Why would his being found some other way be more suspicious? And then, in this effort to cover something up, which they might have had "several hours" to carry out, they get his clothes wrong? Which, apparently, is an extremely suspicious thing to a lot of people, and they could have fixed. I don't understand what people are getting at.

Really, why wouldn't they just leave him as he is, unclothed or whatever, rather than go to all this trouble? What on earth do people think they're hiding? If there's something to hide, it would seem to be all the illicit pills, especially the ones with other people's names on them.

I gotta say, the idea that he dressed himself wrong and died in an elevator all by himself makes as much sense as anything else I'm hearing here. Why fiddle around with moving someone who's died of a drug overdose around and dress him in some sort of cover up operation? The drugs are in the body--anything you're covering up is outside of the body, and (apparently) sitting in vitamin bottles in the suitcase.

So, my theory (right now)--he died in the elevator, from an accidental overdose. He was left alone, and found in the morning, when, where, and how it was originally reported he was found. There are people who did illegal things to help Prince get the drugs that killed him--they were not the drugs they thought they were getting, and he died from taking them in a way that probably would have worked if they'd been what he thought (but maybe not, because there's always a risk, especially if he had been trying to clean up which would change the effects of what he was taking even if it was what he was used to). The clothes are an insignificant distraction.

herb4 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

CooperC62057 said: Agree!

Who would murder Prince and why? This place is crazy.

People kill people kill people today for looking at them the wrong why now a days.

Someone gave him some bad stuff and that is murder. Does not mean it was a conspiracy. Just murder.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

laurarichardson said:

Exactly suspected. We still have no idea what was going on that plane.

wonder how they know this? did they have to search his stuff or have to show dr at hospital to find out xactly what he took to treat properly ?? making that info from hospital or is this from a statement to authorities feom someone w him that night???

Good question. I can only imagine that before they revived him they did a good bit of poking around when the emt started asking questions. Emt's ask a helluva lot of questions.

I would have.

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said:

sonshine said:

LBrent said:

When I first heard what JH said about the episode on the plane, I immediately thought of focal petit mal seizures because P mentioned childhood seizures, but when I didn't hear it mentioned in the articles after his death I didn't think about it anymore. But now seizure medication has been mentioned which makes me think again that he had a seizure on the plane. The description she gave are consistent with that type of seizure.

Valium isn't really a seizure med. it might be used to stop a violent seizure in progress but it's not something they would use long term to control a seizure disorder.

Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.

No one said the seziures may have been long term could be because of the drugs.

[Edited 8/21/16 16:26pm]

laurarichardson said:

sunset3121 said:

I didn't see that in any search warrant or from Dr S's attorney (didn't she state confidentiality). Am I missing something?

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Please use the serch button. The serch warrent was unsealed and the information about Dr. S and the meds he prescribed has been discussed and is in the news reports. The Dr cannot say what the test were for and what the Rx were for but we know they were not paid meds. They did not find P to be a long term users of Fentanyl so that is not what he was oding on the plane ride.

"Search" warrant. This is specious logic at best.

The plane ride was like a week or two prior so that doesn't exlcude anything. Two weeks wouldn't be considered "long term" use of any drug (or anything at all) by any definition whatsoever. I'm not saying he was and I'm not saying he wasn't OD'd on fent on the plane but to state that "the doctors found no evidence of 'long term' fentanyl usage" so there's no way he used it on the plane and is enough evidence to rule it out the possibility is patently ridiculous.

Like, if Prince started drinking heavily or smoking cigarettes 2 weeks, 2 months or even 2 years ago, none of that would qualify as "long term" usage.

I don't think you know what "long term" means is what I'm saying.

sonshine said:

rogifan said:

Did fentanyl even exist 30 years ago? I know the prescription painkiller epidemic didn't really take off until oxycondone was approved by the FDA in the late 90s.

The invention of OxyContin and the dishonesty of its creator and their marketing team are the cause of today's epidemic.

That along with overprescribing and our governments draconian drug laws. Probably over half of the people using this shit could treat their pain simply with marijuana but that's still a schedule 1 narcotic.

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

Please use the serch button. The serch warrent was unsealed and the information about Dr. S and the meds he prescribed has been discussed and is in the news reports. The Dr cannot say what the test were for and what the Rx were for but we know they were not paid meds. They did not find P to be a long term users of Fentanyl so that is not what he was oding on the plane ride.

"Search" warrant. This is specious logic at best.

The plane ride was like a week or two prior so that doesn't exlcude anything. Two weeks wouldn't be considered "long term" use of any drug (or anything at all) by any definition whatsoever. I'm not saying he was and I'm not saying he wasn't OD'd on fent on the plane but to state that "the doctors found no evidence of 'long term' fentanyl usage" so there's no way he used it on the plane and is enough evidence to rule it out the possibility is patently ridiculous.

Like, if Prince started drinking heavily or smoking cigarettes 2 weeks, 2 months or even 2 years ago, none of that would qualify as "long term" usage.

I don't think you know what "long term" means is what I'm saying.

ME can test hair samples that can tell if you have used drugs as long as 90 days ago. He was not on Fentanyl on that plane that is why they are saying it was accidental. The meds he had were mislablebe and they are saying they were in his system in the last 24 hours of his life. You do not want to believe the ME or the police.

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

SOR-reeee, ace. I read it and simply missed this part. Don't get all Bart on me here. So my guess would be, based on this, that Prince was getting his pain meds via other methods: proxys, go-fers, etc. We know he didn't go to WG alone, right?

Why are you so obsssed with Walgreens?? Did they do something to you? The stuff he had was mis-labled. I doubt he got it from any pharmacy.

I'm not obsessed. It was the last place he was in seen in public before he died. Sort of strikes me as relevant. You know, since it's a pharmacy and he died of a drug overdose and all. I already said he didn't get the stuff that killed him from WG. I said I think he got it INSTEAD of a legal prescription.

Settle down.

[Edited 8/21/16 16:31pm]

laurarichardson said:

people have been killed for a lot less than 300 million, it is not so out there, especially after the new info.

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

Why are you so obsssed with Walgreens?? Did they do something to you? The stuff he had was mis-labled. I doubt he got it from any pharmacy.

I'm not obsessed. It was the last place he was in seen in public before he died. Sort of strikes me as relevant. You know, since it's a pharmacy and he died of a drug overdose and all. I already said he didn't get the stuff that killed him from WG. I said I think he got it INSTEAD of a legal prescription.

Settle down.

[Edited 8/21/16 16:31pm]

No words for you dude

BillieBalloon said:

EnDoRpHn said:

You never walk around your house in socks? Like I said before, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. He took his shoes off, and just didn't think to put them on before he got on the elevator.

I would think the police dept./ME probably looked for his shoes and accounted for them. It just isn't in the public information.

Why would you assume he had to get dressed? Maybe he got home, took his shoes off, and just stayed that way.

Do you think maybe someone stole them and they will show up on eBay?

If Prince was coherent enough to be dropped off and left ALONE his clothes would not have been backwards and neither would his socks be inide out. He undressed and got dressed again at some point. In what circumstances? This is what we are trying to understand. [Edited 8/21/16 15:49pm]

Perhaps he ate the pill(s) and then took a shower? The fent kicked in, he got loopy and clumsily decided to dress himself before stumbling down to the elevator to seek help, knowing something was off, rather than walking through PP naked?

sonshine said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

Please see the information from the article below. The test were prior to his death. Meaning they were Dr. S's test. This is from the article which you should try reading. I also do not know why a Doctor he had already been seing would not have his permission to test for drugs????

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died. According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were.

The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.

Being snarky doesn't give your points more value. I was simply saying you assume way too much from a little snippet of information. That's all. You find something that fits your idea and twist it around to sound like the absolute proof or evidence to prove your opinion. Seems like a desperate way to view matters. Just sayin. No offense intended.

I am telling you what the article is stating. I am not assuming anything Read it for yourself

http://www.wnem.com/story/32807229/official-pills-found-at-princes-estate-contained-fentanyl

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said:

You never walk around your house in socks? Like I said before, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. He took his shoes off, and just didn't think to put them on before he got on the elevator.

I would think the police dept./ME probably looked for his shoes and accounted for them. It just isn't in the public information.

Why would you assume he had to get dressed? Maybe he got home, took his shoes off, and just stayed that way.

Do you think maybe someone stole them and they will show up on eBay?

If I were dressing to leave my house, I would remember to at least grab my shoes. T fact that P's clothing was on incorrectly and he was shoeless leads me to believe that he was dressed by someone else. I realize that it was probably not easy, but P was small and it's not that difficult. Especially when you know that you're setting a scene to keep yourself out of jail. It can be done. And if he died April 20th, you had several hours to get it done because he wasn't expected to be seen until the morning of April 21st.

What if you were OD'ing on a dangerous narcotic and half out of your mind with very little cognitive ability and not much general coherency? You know, like in the process of dying from a remarkably powerful narcotic?

laurarichardson said: