teach49 said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

not sure if its been answered or not but no, absolutley not. at least not legally. i doubt they even make samples of pain meds.

Thank you. I figured as much but it was a question in my mind.

no problem. the laws have recently chnged so it was valid. prior to the change, you could have a scrip for lorotab w refills but not now. tjey locked it down too. u have to pickip hard copy im person from doctor.

so to the person who said he was trying to fill early his hydrocodone, tht is mot true, of the article is correct. p would mot have a refill of any pain med avail. he would,jave to go get new one. and it says no scrip for them in last 12 month

Article also said fentanyl was not in his sytem and he was not a long time abuser. Believe Fentanyl can stay in your system for up to 72 hours...and other autopsy states would have shown had it been used prior...airplane incident on the 15th. Too bad so many people still want to make him out to be a junkie.... One can't do Fentanyl for a long period of time before it shows you are under the influence ...If he had more in his system than what would be tolerated by anyone...either he didnt know it had Fentanyl, the combination of drugs killed him or it was deliberate. Sounds like someone was bringing it in to him. Do you really think he packed his own suitcases (thought the bodyguard did that)? Not throwing him under the bus...but the bottles could have been been hidden in the bags and Prince not even knowing they were there..just saying. More will be revealed. At one point, I never thought this much would come out. We have been patient this long and LE will get to the bottom of this.

BillieBalloon said:

leadline said:

tmo1965 said:

strawberrylova123 said:

Lidocaine is for heart arrhythmia and Alprazolam is for anxiety....i dont know what to believe anymore.

Lidocaine is used for numbing also. That's what they give you when you have dental work.

sonshine said:

sunset3121 said:

I didn't see that in any search warrant or from Dr S's attorney (didn't she state confidentiality). Am I missing something?

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Kornfelds attorney also said he couldn't comment because of patient confidentiality - but mentioned pain management and any addiction issues in general.

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Past leaks haven't been 100% correct so we will have to wait and see with this current one but what I don't understand is:

1) Why P would bother with illicit hydrocodone and codeine? Surley he could have done what that woman with the migraine did and moan a bit to a doc about his pain so they would prescribe him some. Is it that hard for celebs to get this stuff in the US?

2) If he was having problems with OD or withdrawal, why did he choose a critical care doc instead of a pain management/withdrawal doc in the first place.

3) How does this official know what he had with him on the airplane? Are they saying those on the plane knew?

4) If they are implying that the plane problems were due to the pills, it's unlikely to have been the fentanyl ones, otherwise you would have thought they would have been questioning the content of that bottle and why they nearly killed him. So are they implying he took too many of the other pills on the plane or not?

5) If he has all these pills falling out everywhere, why does he start on a new pack of fentanyl pills on the day they do so much to get help for him.

6) They are saying there is no fentanyl in his bloods so he wasn't taking it before otherwise he would have spent the most miserable week in withdrawal not out and about. What was in his blood? Are they going to tell us that?

Where did they say anything about what was in his blood. They didn't. We don't even know what blood tests were done or what the results were. I would say the conclusion they came to of no long term use of fentanyl came from studies done by the ME as part of the autopsy. Those tests dr s did have no bearing on anything reported so far, do they? Maybe they were checking his cholesterol level or his white blood count who knows?

It is not unusual for doctors to do a full blood work up when you have labs done. Dr S was treating him for withdrawals so why would he not give him a full blood test. In addtion, the ME would know from his hair. Do you really think he was seeing Dr. S for cholesterol problems when he almost died on the plane while seeing him for withdrawals.? The police would be interested in what test Dr. S ran.

sunset3121 said:

laurarichardson said:

The search warrent was left unsealed and this info leaked out. Someone actually reposted the news report on another thread. It was from that KSPT TV station. He was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals and according to the story sometimes paitents for pain managment seek out patient care for withdrawals to change their course of pain treatment. Maybe the Hydrocone was being used as a means to ween himself but it appears this may have not been done with Dr. S supervision since they also said he never filled any pain meds within the last 12 months.

I didn't see that in any search warrant or from Dr S's attorney (didn't she state confidentiality). Am I missing something?

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Kornfelds attorney also said he couldn't comment because of patient confidentiality - but mentioned pain management and any addiction issues in general.

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Past leaks haven't been 100% correct so we will have to wait and see with this current one but what I don't understand is:

1) Why P would bother with illicit hydrocodone and codeine? Surley he could have done what that woman with the migraine did and moan a bit to a doc about his pain so they would prescribe him some. Is it that hard for celebs to get this stuff in the US?

2) If he was having problems with OD or withdrawal, why did he choose a critical care doc instead of a pain management/withdrawal doc in the first place.

3) How does this official know what he had with him on the airplane? Are they saying those on the plane knew?

4) If they are implying that the plane problems were due to the pills, it's unlikely to have been the fentanyl ones, otherwise you would have thought they would have been questioning the content of that bottle and why they nearly killed him. So are they implying he took too many of the other pills on the plane or not?

5) If he has all these pills falling out everywhere, why does he start on a new pack of fentanyl pills on the day they do so much to get help for him.

6) They are saying there is no fentanyl in his bloods so he wasn't taking it before otherwise he would have spent the most miserable week in withdrawal not out and about. What was in his blood? Are they going to tell us that?

Excellent points !

herb4 said:

babynoz said:

Cmon y'all. Is Laura the only one reading the article?

People would not have to keep asking the same questions over and over if they would just read.....Herb,


"The official who spoke to the AP said records show the 57-year-old Prince had no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died."

SOR-reeee, ace. I read it and simply missed this part. Don't get all Bart on me here. So my guess would be, based on this, that Prince was getting his pain meds via other methods: proxys, go-fers, etc. We know he didn't go to WG alone, right?

Why are you so obsssed with Walgreens?? Did they do something to you? The stuff he had was mis-labled. I doubt he got it from any pharmacy.

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:

BillieBalloon said:

He overdosed on the plane from what? If it wasn't Fentanyl.

According to the article it was a suspected OD, not saying from which drug.



"The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said."

Exactly suspected. We still have no idea what was going on that plane.

wonder505 said:

There are three stories here.

1) The plane incident. What happened? Was it an overdose or a seizure? If so what triggered it? What did the hospital discover and what was the meeting with this so-called doctor who did the blood test? In view of this, why was he left alone?

2) The Intervention - How much did his inner circle know about these pills? Who was there and who made the call to the pain management specialists in CA? Is it true that P's condition was described as grave and if so why the hell did the dr not order him to a hospital? In view of this, why was he left alone?

3) The Bad Batch Of Pills - Where did he get these pills? What were his movements that afternoon up until he was dropped of at 8:00p? Where did he go and who was he with? Why did he not touch his dinner? Did he eat all afternoon? Why after #1 and #2 occured would he pop one more pill for the night? Why did he get up at 2:00a and put on his clothese backwards? Is this really about shame? Could he not have received the help he needed in Minneapolis with the highest of patient/doctor confidentiality? Why would he have to get these pills off the street and hide them in fake bottles? OR did someone stage the placement of these pills?

[Edited 8/21/16 15:29pm]

Another good set of points!

EnDoRpHn said:

AA1slot said:

EnDoRpHn said:

LBrent said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

i am leanimg more to he was tryimg to keep his medical issues very private and did mot wanted prescription bottles w his name on it. he would have to see a dr every month pmce a month. do u think he feared the media catching him at apain clinic??? throwing out my thougts here.

I do think he would have preferred not to leave ways for the media to be able to find out about his medical treatment and the intricacies of his care to broadcast to the world. Not for any other reason than it wasn't anyone else's business. I feel him on that, but now it seems that there's a killer on the loose, whether by accident or on purpose. That needs to be addressed. Sorry if P's privacy gets invaded in the process, but it can't be helped.

no i am with you they need to fimd the person or people amd press charges as heavily as they can. was just saying my thoughts om why he had not seen a dr for prescription pain mgt....well had not in 12 months. some are inplying P was cut off by doctors. bull!!! i domt think he even trusted damn drs lol!

BillieBalloon said:

EnDoRpHn said:

You never walk around your house in socks? Like I said before, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. He took his shoes off, and just didn't think to put them on before he got on the elevator.

I would think the police dept./ME probably looked for his shoes and accounted for them. It just isn't in the public information.

Why would you assume he had to get dressed? Maybe he got home, took his shoes off, and just stayed that way.

Do you think maybe someone stole them and they will show up on eBay?

If Prince was coherent enough to be dropped off and left ALONE his clothes would not have been backwards and neither would his socks be inide out. He undressed and got dressed again at some point. In what circumstances? This is what we are trying to understand. [Edited 8/21/16 15:49pm]

Not very easy to digest the thought that he might have feltsomething was wrong and dressed up in a hurry to get some help. That is terribly distressing. Here we were all wishing he died

Edited: when i say peacefully, I mean falling asleep from the medication, slowing down of respiration or whatever.

[Edited 8/21/16 15:55pm]

If you travel, I can see putting controlled substances in a bottle with an innocuous label like "vitamins" because if you're in a hotel there is housekeeping and if someone finds a bottle labelled "Percoset" they're more likely to open it as that can be sold for money. If someone steals your medicine, you're responsible for it. You might want to do that even for a backpack that you could accidentally leave somewhere or hand over to someone to carry. You can buy travel bags for medicines with locks but they are usually made of flimsy material and they're usually red which conveys the message of "something important in here!"

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

It is not unusual for doctors to do a full blood work up when you have labs done. Dr S was treating him for withdrawals so why would he not give him a full blood test. In addtion, the ME would know from his hair. Do you really think he was seeing Dr. S for cholesterol problems when he almost died on the plane while seeing him for withdrawals.? The police would be interested in what test Dr. S ran.

I'm sure they would be interested. But nothing about that has been reported. And what exactly is a full blood work up? I work in the medical field. There is no such thing as a full blood work up. You have to be a bit more specific than that when ordering tests. Stop using those tests and/or results as proof of anything because we don't know. You don't know what his visits with dr s involved or included.

You people in the medical field kill me. Everytime I go to the doctor to get a complet physical I am told by doctor that she is running a test for everything. ( She is on point and not lazy) So these test are for everything even stuff I did not ask about. I am pretty sure if this doctor were seeing Prince for a specifc reason. ( withdrawals for pain meds and he almost fucking died) that this doctor would be giving him a complete exam. I am sorry if I am not using the correct verberage but why would this Dr come to P with the test results the next day if the test were not of any importance?

They did report that he had test from the Dr the day before and used that along with the ME report to determine that he was not a long term user.

I think that Prince was using pain meds and became dependent on them.

I also thought that he had another medical issue that led to his death.

Now I think that something happened on that plane which led to the Narcan shots and full blown withdrawal. The questions are now what happened on the plane and Where did he get the bullshit that killed him?

I also agree that someone is getting ready to go to jail.

LBrent said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

LBrent said:

Mkilpatrick74 said: I do think he would have preferred not to leave ways for the media to be able to find out about his medical treatment and the intricacies of his care to broadcast to the world. Not for any other reason than it wasn't anyone else's business. I feel him on that, but now it seems that there's a killer on the loose, whether by accident or on purpose. That needs to be addressed. Sorry if P's privacy gets invaded in the process, but it can't be helped.

no i am with you they need to fimd the person or people amd press charges as heavily as they can. was just saying my thoughts om why he had not seen a dr for prescription pain mgt....well had not in 12 months. some are inplying P was cut off by doctors. bull!!! i domt think he even trusted damn drs lol!

I do not think he trusted doctors either. He may have consulted with a few to find out what to do and at some point went off on his own. He had no pain meds filled in the state for over a year.

sonshine said:

LBrent said:

EXACTLY. But since the security cameras, etc were not ON we don't know who was at PP, what might have happened, or what timeline. How convenient for the guilty party/parties.

Anything is possible. But for me it's a stretch to believe it was something that sinister, or that well thought out and planned. The security stuff being turned off could have just been due to a general lack of attention to details around PP since there was just not a lot going on with P and PP as it was in the past. At least I hope P didn't have those kind of mortal enemies stalking him. He was dealing with these confirmed pain med issues and I think thats all that was going on at the time rather than elaborate plots to kill hm. Just my opinion tho.

People in his own inner circle feel it wasn't an accident, any one of them have more perspective than any of us on the matter. Did you see Adrian's tweet today?

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:

According to the article it was a suspected OD, not saying from which drug.



"The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said."

Exactly suspected. We still have no idea what was going on that plane.

wonder how they know this? did they have to search his stuff or have to show dr at hospital to find out xactly what he took to treat properly ?? making that info from hospital or is this from a statement to authorities feom someone w him that night???

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said:

You never walk around your house in socks? Like I said before, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. He took his shoes off, and just didn't think to put them on before he got on the elevator.

I would think the police dept./ME probably looked for his shoes and accounted for them. It just isn't in the public information.

Why would you assume he had to get dressed? Maybe he got home, took his shoes off, and just stayed that way.

Do you think maybe someone stole them and they will show up on eBay?

No, actually I don't walk around my house in just sox cuz we have a dog. I'm anemic so my feet are cold. I wear sox until I go to walk around cuz I have plantar fasciitis, so I need the support of slippers under my feet when walking...We also have a dog. Sox, doggyness on the sox as I walk around, Sox in bed...I love animals, but Ew,no... If I were dressing to leave my house, I would remember to at least grab my shoes. T fact that P's clothing was on incorrectly and he was shoeless leads me to believe that he was dressed by someone else. I realize that it was probably not easy, but P was small and it's not that difficult. Especially when you know that you're setting a scene to keep yourself out of jail. It can be done. And if he died April 20th, you had several hours to get it done because he wasn't expected to be seen until the morning of April 21st.

And how exactly do you know that he was dressing to leave his house???

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have proof someone else was there?

(At this point, I should play a Babynoz and claim you're accusing ME of being the one to do it.)

That being said ......

I am now believing that there is some foul play here.

sonshine said:

sunset3121 said:

I didn't see that in any search warrant or from Dr S's attorney (didn't she state confidentiality). Am I missing something?

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Kornfelds attorney also said he couldn't comment because of patient confidentiality - but mentioned pain management and any addiction issues in general.

.

Past leaks haven't been 100% correct so we will have to wait and see with this current one but what I don't understand is:

1) Why P would bother with illicit hydrocodone and codeine? Surley he could have done what that woman with the migraine did and moan a bit to a doc about his pain so they would prescribe him some. Is it that hard for celebs to get this stuff in the US?

2) If he was having problems with OD or withdrawal, why did he choose a critical care doc instead of a pain management/withdrawal doc in the first place.

3) How does this official know what he had with him on the airplane? Are they saying those on the plane knew?

4) If they are implying that the plane problems were due to the pills, it's unlikely to have been the fentanyl ones, otherwise you would have thought they would have been questioning the content of that bottle and why they nearly killed him. So are they implying he took too many of the other pills on the plane or not?

5) If he has all these pills falling out everywhere, why does he start on a new pack of fentanyl pills on the day they do so much to get help for him.

6) They are saying there is no fentanyl in his bloods so he wasn't taking it before otherwise he would have spent the most miserable week in withdrawal not out and about. What was in his blood? Are they going to tell us that?

Where did they say anything about what was in his blood. They didn't. We don't even know what blood tests were done or what the results were. I would say the conclusion they came to of no long term use of fentanyl came from studies done by the ME as part of the autopsy. Those tests dr s did have no bearing on anything reported so far, do they? Maybe they were checking his cholesterol level or his white blood count who knows. But some posters here need to stop using dr s test results as proof of anything. [Edited 8/21/16 15:38pm]

Yes, that is why I prefaced this past leaks haven't been 100% correct. I assumed the test results were on bloods taken by Dr S on 20th because the ones at the autopsy would have had lots of fentanyl and the article (may not be accurate) said: "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system"

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said: