rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:

Cmon y'all. Is Laura the only one reading the article?

People would not have to keep asking the same questions over and over if they would just read.....Herb,


"The official who spoke to the AP said records show the 57-year-old Prince had no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died."

SOR-reeee, ace. I read it and simply missed this part. Don't get all Bart on me here. So my guess would be, based on this, that Prince was getting his pain meds via other methods: proxys, go-fers, etc. We know he didn't go to WG alone, right?

BillieBalloon said:

He overdosed on the plane from what? If it wasn't Fentanyl.

According to the article it was a suspected OD, not saying from which drug.



"The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said."

herb4 said:

babynoz said:

Cmon y'all. Is Laura the only one reading the article?

People would not have to keep asking the same questions over and over if they would just read.....Herb,


"The official who spoke to the AP said records show the 57-year-old Prince had no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died."

SOR-reeee, ace. I read it and simply missed this part. Don't get all Bart on me here. So my guess would be, based on this, that Prince was getting his pain meds via other methods: proxys, go-fers, etc. We know he didn't go to WG alone, right?

You aight wit me bro, no worries.

laurarichardson said:

lwr001 said:

babynoz said:

"We" are not on any "track" because "we" were not talking to you. Lbrent asked me a direct question that I answered. Why do you have a problem with that?

OK. Watch yourself

No, YOU watch yourself because I haven't spoken a word to you. It's you who keep coming at me,

babynoz said:

NinaB said:

Havingw 2 obtain pain (/anxiety?) meds from the street, does that mean he could no longer get them thru official channels?

i am leanimg more to he was tryimg to keep his medical issues very private and did mot wanted prescription bottles w his name on it. he would have to see a dr every month pmce a month. do u think he feared the media catching him at apain clinic??? throwing out my thougts here.

EnDoRpHn said:

rogifan said:

On this point I will say 9/10 times when I do a Prince related Google search results from the org are the first to show up.

I havent read the AP article yet but if it said tests showed he wasnt a long time user of Fentanyl it means the Medical Examiner did a hair follicle test. Hair follicle tests will show what drugs have been used for at least 90 days or longer.

[Edited 8/21/16 15:19pm]

rogifan said:

Someone on FB claims they heard arrests are going to be made in the near future. IF true I wonder if that will just be for someone supplying P illegal drugs or if some sort of foul play was involved.

</kinda felt this all day long. usually the way it goes down. leaks then come arrests

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

Exactly those test he did with Dr. S were used in this investigation to show he was not a long term user of these drugs and that this was accidental. I still say he may have a seizure on that plane not sure if withdrawing would cause it or if he had a seizure disorder.

I'm going to need you to find me exa moles of a plane diverting due to a passenger seizure

I said may have. I am speculating.

I will tell you that we have not seen any medical information from that trip to the hospital in Moline so do not know what was wrong with him and we know from what Judith Hill said he stopped speaking to her in mid conversation and his eyes became fixed. Well know it all!! People can have non-eplictic sezuire were they stop and their eyes become fixed. I have a relative who has these types of seziures.

I would think if someone was sick no matter what the issue you would want the plane to land. Or would you have kept him on the plane after all I do not know what is wrong with the person in front of me so let me just do nothing

Even Dr. Drew said it did not sound like a Opiod overdose. I am sure that information from that hospital visit was used in the investigation and will eventrully come out.

I must say you are not batting a 1000 today as you were one of the people that was so sure that Prince was a 30 year Fentaynl user. Do your self a favor and read more and type less.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

rogifan said:

On this point I will say 9/10 times when I do a Prince related Google search results from the org are the first to show up.

I havent read the AP article yet but if it said tests showed he wasnt a long time user of Fentanyl it means the Medical Examiner did a hair follicle test. Hair follicle tests will show what drugs have been used for at least 90 days or longer.

[Edited 8/21/16 15:19pm]

Thank you. I guess some people have never been drug tested for a job before. They can tell if you are long term user.

XxAxX said:

someone dressed him post-mortem?????? now it sounds like he was assaulted. or, at least, not alone that night

That's a possiblity. Maybe someone was there and he died and that person did not want to be identified as being at PP. There was a case in my home town where a judge had met a mystery woman at an out of the way motel, he had a heart attack and died. The mystery woman called paramedics, but when they got there, she was no where to found. We still don't know who made call.

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: Do we know this for certain? We've never heard from the doctor.

The search warrent was left unsealed and this info leaked out. Someone actually reposted the news report on another thread. It was from that KSPT TV station. He was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals and according to the story sometimes paitents for pain managment seek out patient care for withdrawals to change their course of pain treatment. Maybe the Hydrocone was being used as a means to ween himself but it appears this may have not been done with Dr. S supervision since they also said he never filled any pain meds within the last 12 months.

I didn't see that in any search warrant or from Dr S's attorney (didn't she state confidentiality). Am I missing something?

.

Kornfelds attorney also said he couldn't comment because of patient confidentiality - but mentioned pain management and any addiction issues in general.

.

Past leaks haven't been 100% correct so we will have to wait and see with this current one but what I don't understand is:

1) Why P would bother with illicit hydrocodone and codeine? Surley he could have done what that woman with the migraine did and moan a bit to a doc about his pain so they would prescribe him some. Is it that hard for celebs to get this stuff in the US?

2) If he was having problems with OD or withdrawal, why did he choose a critical care doc instead of a pain management/withdrawal doc in the first place.

3) How does this official know what he had with him on the airplane? Are they saying those on the plane knew?

4) If they are implying that the plane problems were due to the pills, it's unlikely to have been the fentanyl ones, otherwise you would have thought they would have been questioning the content of that bottle and why they nearly killed him. So are they implying he took too many of the other pills on the plane or not?

5) If he has all these pills falling out everywhere, why does he start on a new pack of fentanyl pills on the day they do so much to get help for him.

6) They are saying there is no fentanyl in his bloods so he wasn't taking it before otherwise he would have spent the most miserable week in withdrawal not out and about. What was in his blood? Are they going to tell us that?

Mkilpatrick74 said:

There are three stories here.

1) The plane incident. What happened? Was it an overdose or a seizure? If so what triggered it? What did the hospital discover and what was the meeting with this so-called doctor who did the blood test? In view of this, why was he left alone?

2) The Intervention - How much did his inner circle know about these pills? Who was there and who made the call to the pain management specialists in CA? Is it true that P's condition was described as grave and if so why the hell did the dr not order him to a hospital? In view of this, why was he left alone?

3) The Bad Batch Of Pills - Where did he get these pills? What were his movements that afternoon up until he was dropped of at 8:00p? Where did he go and who was he with? Why did he not touch his dinner? Did he eat all afternoon? Why after #1 and #2 occured would he pop one more pill for the night? Why did he get up at 2:00a and put on his clothese backwards? Is this really about shame? Could he not have received the help he needed in Minneapolis with the highest of patient/doctor confidentiality? Why would he have to get these pills off the street and hide them in fake bottles? OR did someone stage the placement of these pills?

[Edited 8/21/16 15:29pm]

CooperC62057 said:

BillieBalloon said:

babynoz said:

According to the article it was a suspected OD, not saying from which drug.



"The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said."

Okay thanks.

Yes, it was suspected so they gave him Narcan but the ME can do a hair folical test for drugs going back 90 days. We know they did not the Fentanyl but the Hyhe pills were made of Fentanyl. So what did he get sick from on the plane? Was he taking those batch of pills they found in PP for the first.

leftcoast said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why would the pharmacy have illicit drugs? Well, maybe they are investigating the pharmacy as well. No wonder it taking so long.

Maybe the pills did not come from a pharmacy.

That would be my guess. Maybe Prince got the pills off the street and put them in his Rx hydrocodone bottle or maybe he bought the pills thinking they were hydrocodone, but they contained fentanyl instead.

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said:

He took them off?

Ok. So he leaves Walgreen's, goes home, takes off his shoes, Sox, shirt, pants...I dunno his personal hygiene regimen, but I'd shower, put on clean undies and pajamas and either clean sox and/or slippers. Maybe get a cup of tea since I don't feel well and am planning on taking my pills and going to bed. I don't eat cuz I'm having tummy trouble. (Personal Chef was teary at the first family members gathering April 23rd cuz he found P's favorite roasted beets, soup/salad he'd prepared was still in the fridge, untouched). At what point do I feel like I'm in medical trouble, get redressed with preworn/inside out sox and backwards shirt and pants and my hat...but I don't put on or at least grab my shoes and head off in search of...Who? What?...I'm ALONE! Makes. No. Sense. At. All.

You never walk around your house in socks? Like I said before, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. He took his shoes off, and just didn't think to put them on before he got on the elevator.

I would think the police dept./ME probably looked for his shoes and accounted for them. It just isn't in the public information.

Why would you assume he had to get dressed? Maybe he got home, took his shoes off, and just stayed that way.

Do you think maybe someone stole them and they will show up on eBay?

laurarichardson said:

BillieBalloon said:

babynoz said: Okay thanks.

Yes, it was suspected so they gave him Narcan but the ME can do a hair folical test for drugs going back 90 days. We know they did not find him to be a long time Fentanyl user but the Hyhe pills were made of Fentanyl. So what did he get sick from on the plane? Was he taking those batch of pills they found in PP for the first time? Did he just get a bad batch on the night of the 20th.

sunset3121 said:

BillieBalloon said:

This has now been picked up by international media, legit sources too who wouldn't report if it was hogwash. Just in case anyone was doubting it.

Thanks, good point.

sunset3121 said:

laurarichardson said:

The search warrent was left unsealed and this info leaked out. Someone actually reposted the news report on another thread. It was from that KSPT TV station. He was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals and according to the story sometimes paitents for pain managment seek out patient care for withdrawals to change their course of pain treatment. Maybe the Hydrocone was being used as a means to ween himself but it appears this may have not been done with Dr. S supervision since they also said he never filled any pain meds within the last 12 months.

I didn't see that in any search warrant or from Dr S's attorney (didn't she state confidentiality). Am I missing something?

.

Kornfelds attorney also said he couldn't comment because of patient confidentiality - but mentioned pain management and any addiction issues in general.

.

Past leaks haven't been 100% correct so we will have to wait and see with this current one but what I don't understand is:

1) Why P would bother with illicit hydrocodone and codeine? Surley he could have done what that woman with the migraine did and moan a bit to a doc about his pain so they would prescribe him some. Is it that hard for celebs to get this stuff in the US?

2) If he was having problems with OD or withdrawal, why did he choose a critical care doc instead of a pain management/withdrawal doc in the first place.

3) How does this official know what he had with him on the airplane? Are they saying those on the plane knew?

4) If they are implying that the plane problems were due to the pills, it's unlikely to have been the fentanyl ones, otherwise you would have thought they would have been questioning the content of that bottle and why they nearly killed him. So are they implying he took too many of the other pills on the plane or not?

5) If he has all these pills falling out everywhere, why does he start on a new pack of fentanyl pills on the day they do so much to get help for him.

6) They are saying there is no fentanyl in his bloods so he wasn't taking it before otherwise he would have spent the most miserable week in withdrawal not out and about. What was in his blood? Are they going to tell us that?

Please use the serch button. The serch warrent was unsealed and the information about Dr. S and the meds he prescribed has been discussed and is in the news reports. The Dr cannot say what the test were for and what the Rx were for but we know they were not paid meds. They did not find P to be a long term users of Fentanyl so that is not what he was oding on the plane ride.

This just popped up on AP's twitter feed:

Facts and background about fentanyl

Prince died of an overdose of the powerful opioid fentanyl, according to autopsy results released in June. Among the questions investigators were reviewing was whether Prince had a prescription for painkillers before his death.

A person close to the investigation of Prince's death told The Associated Press on Sunday that pills found in Prince's home marked as acetaminophen-hydrocodone actually contained fentanyl, suggesting they were counterfeit pills obtained illegally. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.

Prescription opioid overdoses reached nearly 19,000 in 2014, the highest number on record. Total opioid overdoses surpassed 29,000 that year when combined with heroin, which some abusers switch to after becoming hooked on painkillers.

Some information on fentanyl: