herb4 said:

babynoz said:

What's going on here? I think I know but is this a "he who shall not be named" sort of thing?

Stoppit.

rogifan said:

+1

lwr001 said:

babynoz said:

I've been knows to throw pain meds in my asprin bottle to travel when I didn't want to bring the whole shebang along. I've thrown them in my makeup bag loose too.

He is a celebrity which you are not. He couldn't care less about saving room. Those restrictions don't apply

I didn't say anything about saving room. Stop with the projection already, it's beginning to look desperate.

herb4 said:

It is definitely a "who shall remain nameless" sort of thing from me specifically...

laurarichardson said:

BillieBalloon said:

EddieC said: The guy who made the 911 call said they had just discovered Prince and the two employees were hysterical. When would this person have dressed him? After the discovery and before the ambulance?

I would hope if he had no pants on someone would have put some on before the paramedics came. I mean damm that is the least you can do.

Unless what you're doing is aimed at sustaining or (in the case of CPR) restoring life, you really shouldn't be messing with someone unnecessarily--leave it to the professionals. While it's unlikely that moving him would make a difference, why risk it for pants? Like I said (in my post, I don't know what happened to my words in the box above--I think those are BillieBalloon's comments), I understand the impulse, but there are actual important things happening at that moment.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

They have never said what the Rxs were that Dr. S prescribed or what his test were for. They can't because of patient confindentialy but they did say they were not for pain meds.

They said before the serch warrent was closed that he went to Walgreens to get the Rxs filled. Now maybe he did not actually pick them up or maybe he threw them away who knows but since they found the anti-seziure meds and xaxan in his system maybe that is what Dr. S prescribed those are not pain meds and the police would not be interested in those as a part of the crime investigation.

Of course they would look at the test he took with Dr. S because that would tell you what was in system the day before he died that is one of the reasons they used to determine that the Fentaynl was accidental because he did not have in his system the day before. I am assuming like most drugs it does not vanish from your system in a day.

Considering how dangerous fentanyl is it seems highly unlikely P was using this for very long. He would have been dead sooner and unlikely that he would have been traveling and performing on stage. I've listened to almost all of the P&M shows and his voice and piano playing were incredible. How the hell would you do that if your body was full of fentanyl?

Of course he was not using Fentanyl. You and I have said it alll along yet just yesterday some fool had to bring back up that stupid Daily Mail article and imply Prince was high on Fentanyl for 30 years. I hope this teaches people here a lesson about the tabs. I would still like to know what he was withdrawing from and what they found in his system at the Moline hospital. I am still wondering if he did not have a seizure on that plane.

FUNKNROLL said:

People please make this known. Via Billboard - officials say Prince's autopsy shows he was NOT a long time Fentanyl abuser. This is tragic but needs to be heard. "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said." http://www.billboard.com/...watson-385

I have to be blunt here, I don't know why so many people here seem to worry about Prince's reputation or public persona.

Does anyone really think this website has any influence of how people choose to judge him?

Does anything said here change what people said about him back in the early 1980s? Will it change the fact that people at a Rolling Stones concert threw trash and booed him off the stage?

Does it change the opinions of people I grew up with, who made fun of me for listening to someone they assumed was gay, and (in the early emergence of the AIDS crisis) must therefore have AIDS?

Will any of it change the fact that, despite the universal accolades about his artistry, appreciation of Prince's music is an acquired taste? (Lots of long-time subscribers on this website trashed his recent output prior to his death.)

Does it change the fact that any number of people are going to pillory him as a life-long drug addict because of how he died?

We basically know four facts right now with certainty:

1) Prince died from a massive overdose of Fentanyl (enough to kill anyone, according to the Star Tribune).

People here have their own "theories" of how, when, and why, but even in a vacuum of available information, how much do the details really matter?

2) He suffered for 2-3 decades from hip pain (making it likely, though not certain, that he used prescription pain killers for some time before his death).

3) The DEA and other federal, state and local law enforcement authorities are investigating the circumstances leading up to his death. Whether anyone committed or will be charged with a crime is still uncertain.

4) These same agencies have reported, in contexts having nothing to do with Prince, that counterfeit "street" versions of various prescription opioids have been laced with Fentanyl and other substances, and -- together with other restrictions on the prescribing and dispensing of those drugs -- are contributing to an epidemic of drug overdose deaths in the U.S.

In all likelihood, Prince was another victim.

I understand that everyone wants to know and understand what happened. But asking questions about what could have been done differently, whether he could have been saved, why people didn't intervene, are really pointless. Even worse is speculation about baseless theories that the devil, the Illumaniti, Hillary Clinton (yes, that's out there), Warner Bros., anyone in his circle, or anyone else was involved in some convoluted conspiracy.

Everyone needs to be patient, what can be known will be known, in due course.

In the meantime, don't forget to live. Find solace in his music, if that soothes you. Or in the sounds of the seashore, the sunshine and the deep blue skies of the waning days of summer. I can't even begin to imagine how flustered he would be if he were actually alive to see some of the things being discussed here.

lwr001 said:

babynoz said:

In our jurisdiction a business must have emergency equipment in an elevator, i.e., phone and alarm button, per the fire dept.

I am not sure about private residences, but since PP was a commercial establishment as well I can't fathom a phone not being in there. It's not like he couldn't afford it.

Strange indeed.

You all have seen videos and interviews where he calls down into the studio fro. His residence. Why are we still on track phone isdue, of there is a phone upstairs.

"We" are not on any "track" because "we" were not talking to you. Lbrent asked me a direct question that I answered. Why do you have a problem with that?

EddieC said:

laurarichardson said:

I would hope if he had no pants on someone would have put some on before the paramedics came. I mean damm that is the least you can do.

Unless what you're doing is aimed at sustaining or (in the case of CPR) restoring life, you really shouldn't be messing with someone unnecessarily--leave it to the professionals. While it's unlikely that moving him would make a difference, why risk it for pants? Like I said (in my post, I don't know what happened to my words in the box above--I think those are BillieBalloon's comments), I understand the impulse, but there are actual important things happening at that moment.

I am not speaking of the paramedics. If he were may friend and he was already dead I would not let him go out of there with no pants on. Besides I remember the ME report stating he had on black boxers and a shirt. So this source could be talking out of their ass.

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said:

You all want to find a complicated explanation for something that could possibly be much simpler.

If he was wearing the exact same clothes, including the cap, it would really suggest only a couple of alternatives:

1) He died right after he got home, didn't even have a chance to take off his cap (which would suggest he may have taken something downstairs when he got there, and then passed on the elevator going upstairs to the residence). This scenario would have to be correlated with the time of death estimate from the autopsy, if it doesn't, then . . .

2) He didn't change his clothes after he came home (including keeping on the cap), and just happened to be dressed that way when something happened. A plausible explanation is that he was in withdrawal and had the shakes, which would make him feel cold, in which case he would probably want to wear a cap.

It's not really much more complicated than that, and I'm sure that's how the police are proceeding in their investigation.

People here want to get everyone riled up thinking someone came in with guns drawn, forced him to swallow some pills, threw dirty clothes on him, and dragged him to the elevator just to be rank. Talk about something that doesn't make any sense!

That's all well and good and makes sense, but...WTF happened to his shoes???

He took them off?

babynoz said:

Cmon y'all. Is Laura the only one reading the article?

People would not have to keep asking the same questions over and over if they would just read.....Herb,


"The official who spoke to the AP said records show the 57-year-old Prince had no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died."

This. So, how would the trip to Walgreens be drug-seeking behavior if he did not, in fact, have an opoiod prescription? Some keep insisting on this. My understanding is that a drug-seeker is either trying to get a prescription filled early, or they doctor shop, meaning they actually get prescriptions, and the pharmacies catch on to it because it's not time for a new scrip of said medication (but it was prescribed by a new doctor).

I just think that we need to stick to facts. We don't really know about this trip to Walgreens. We only know that he did, in fact, have a prescription for something other than pain meds. That's all we know.

[Edited 8/21/16 14:51pm]

XxAxX said:

Hmmmm
The drs son arrived on the 20th from California with a bag full of ??
Supposedly got there too late on the 21st..but was there to call 911

EnDoRpHn said:

FUNKNROLL said:

People please make this known. Via Billboard - officials say Prince's autopsy shows he was NOT a long time Fentanyl abuser. This is tragic but needs to be heard. "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said." http://www.billboard.com/...watson-385

I have to be blunt here, I don't know why so many people here seem to worry about Prince's reputation or public persona.

Does anyone really think this website has any influence of how people choose to judge him?

Does anything said here change what people said about him back in the early 1980s? Will it change the fact that people at a Rolling Stones concert threw trash and booed him off the stage?

Does it change the opinions of people I grew up with, who made fun of me for listening to someone they assumed was gay, and (in the early emergence of the AIDS crisis) must therefore have AIDS?

Will any of it change the fact that, despite the universal accolades about his artistry, appreciation of Prince's music is an acquired taste? (Lots of long-time subscribers on this website trashed his recent output prior to his death.)

Does it change the fact that any number of people are going to pillory him as a life-long drug addict because of how he died?

We basically know four facts right now with certainty:

1) Prince died from a massive overdose of Fentanyl (enough to kill anyone, according to the Star Tribune).

People here have their own "theories" of how, when, and why, but even in a vacuum of available information, how much do the details really matter?

2) He suffered for 2-3 decades from hip pain (making it likely, though not certain, that he used prescription pain killers for some time before his death).

3) The DEA and other federal, state and local law enforcement authorities are investigating the circumstances leading up to his death. Whether anyone committed or will be charged with a crime is still uncertain.

4) These same agencies have reported, in contexts having nothing to do with Prince, that counterfeit "street" versions of various prescription opioids have been laced with Fentanyl and other substances, and -- together with other restrictions on the prescribing and dispensing of those drugs -- are contributing to an epidemic of drug overdose deaths in the U.S.

In all likelihood, Prince was another victim.

I understand that everyone wants to know and understand what happened. But asking questions about what could have been done differently, whether he could have been saved, why people didn't intervene, are really pointless. Even worse is speculation about baseless theories that the devil, the Illumaniti, Hillary Clinton (yes, that's out there), Warner Bros., anyone in his circle, or anyone else was involved in some convoluted conspiracy.

Everyone needs to be patient, what can be known will be known, in due course.

In the meantime, don't forget to live. Find solace in his music, if that soothes you. Or in the sounds of the seashore, the sunshine and the deep blue skies of the waning days of summer. I can't even begin to imagine how flustered he would be if he were actually alive to see some of the things being discussed here.

"I have to be blunt here, I don't know why so many people here seem to worry about Prince's reputation or public persona."

Because it is fucked up to lie. That is it that is all. He did not accompolish the things he did on Fentanyl for 30 plus years. It takes away his work ethic and his internal drive. That is fucked up and now we know not true. So I will tell it to the mountain tops. I would like to see it as a sticky on the front page so it comes up anything people Goggle.

[Edited 8/21/16 14:52pm]

teach49 said:

babynoz said:

Cmon y'all. Is Laura the only one reading the article?

People would not have to keep asking the same questions over and over if they would just read.....Herb,


"The official who spoke to the AP said records show the 57-year-old Prince had no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died."

This. So, how would the trip to Walgreens be drug-seeking behavior if he did not, in fact, have an opoiod prescription? Some keep insisting on this. My understanding is that a drug-seeker is either trying to get a prescription filled early, or they doctor shop, meaning they actually get prescriptions, and the pharmacies catch on to it because it's not time for a new scrip of said medication (but it was prescribed by a new doctor).

I just think that we need to stick to facts. We don't really know about this trip to Walgreens. We only know that he did, in fact, have a prescription for something other than pain meds. That's all we know.

[Edited 8/21/16 14:51pm]

Dude could have been picking up some Milk Of Magnesia for all we know but because of the reports, now any and everything he did is going to be defined as "drug seeking behaviour".

teach49 said:

babynoz said:

Cmon y'all. Is Laura the only one reading the article?

People would not have to keep asking the same questions over and over if they would just read.....Herb,


"The official who spoke to the AP said records show the 57-year-old Prince had no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died."

This. So, how would the trip to Walgreens be drug-seeking behavior if he did not, in fact, have an opoiod prescription? Some keep insisting on this. My understanding is that a drug-seeker is either trying to get a prescription filled early, or they doctor shop, meaning they actually get prescriptions, and the pharmacies catch on to it because it's not time for a new scrip of said medication (but it was prescribed by a new doctor).

I just think that we need to stick to facts. We don't really know about this trip to Walgreens. We only know that he did, in fact, have a prescription for something other than pain meds. That's all we know.

[Edited 8/21/16 14:51pm]

At this point maybe it need to be a sticky on the front page. It is now being repeated in other news stories and I am sure it was a key detail in the investigation.

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, I do think those are test the doctor order. I am thinking a full test of bloodwork. I still think he was sick with something since the doctor came to him with the test results and maybe that is the reason he was staring to gobbled these pills but they were mis-labled and they are not saying if the other pills were in his system. His bodyguard did say he never saw anything in his bag but he sent that bobyguard a way and was only with Kirk on that trip to Atlanta.

Don't forget also that he had the Narcon shots prior to his tests with Dr S - they would have cleared his system of any opiates / fentanyl - so it is possible he'd taken them before but had his system cleared of them just in time for the bloodwork.

im not sure that it clears the system to that degree. it reverses the effects happening then. all drugs taken prior woild still be detected in blood and hair

laurarichardson said:

Did fentanyl even exist 30 years ago? I know the prescription painkiller epidemic didn't really take off until oxycondone was approved by the FDA in the late 90s.

babynoz said:

teach49 said:

This. So, how would the trip to Walgreens be drug-seeking behavior if he did not, in fact, have an opoiod prescription? Some keep insisting on this. My understanding is that a drug-seeker is either trying to get a prescription filled early, or they doctor shop, meaning they actually get prescriptions, and the pharmacies catch on to it because it's not time for a new scrip of said medication (but it was prescribed by a new doctor).

I just think that we need to stick to facts. We don't really know about this trip to Walgreens. We only know that he did, in fact, have a prescription for something other than pain meds. That's all we know.

[Edited 8/21/16 14:51pm]

Dude could have been picking up some Milk Of Magnesia for all we know but because of the reports, now any and everything he did is going to be defined as "drug seeking behaviour".

How about the idiot Tabs saying he was getting AIDS meds for a year. Whatever the fuck AIDS med are? Just making shit up because someone is at a drug store near their home when we know no he was not picking up pain meds although if had RX for them what would have been the big deal.

Dibblekins said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

hmmm thts interesting. thinking back to the tummy issues his chef reported and requesting more smoothies. something deep in my gut says he ws battling the chronic pain along with another illness. domt attack me thats just my little ole humble opinion

Yes, I commented on that earlier...If he was taking liquid lidocaine, that might be to treat the sore throats of which he had been complaining...

.

However, it now sounds as though it was lidocaine in pill form - that the 'fake' Hydrocodone pills had one hell of a mixture of stuff in them. Ughhh.

damn damn DAMN!!!! IM movimg too slow i just saw new article

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Of course he was not using Fentanyl. You and I have said it alll along yet just yesterday some fool had to bring back up that stupid Daily Mail article and imply Prince was high on Fentanyl for 30 years. I hope this teaches people here a lesson about the tabs. I would still like to know what he was withdrawing from and what they found in his system at the Moline hospital. I am still wondering if he did not have a seizure on that plane.

Did fentanyl even exist 30 years ago? I know the prescription painkiller epidemic didn't really take off until oxycondone was approved by the FDA in the late 90s.

It was used in hospital back in the 60s and did not get approved for RX until the late 90s More reasons the tabs are stupid they cannot even get their lies right with the time line for the meds.

EnDoRpHn said:

I'm sure you're right, but he wouldn't be thinking, "Damn, I died under suspicious circumstances and no one who claimed to love me even questioned that. Wow."

I'm questioning. And bouncing off scenarios. And hopefully TPTB will hear or see something that might help bring an answer to his death.

It doesn't make sense. I need to make sense of it. If for no other reason than because P can't do it for himself.

Call me crazy, but after nearly 40 years of his presence in my life, I think he deserves that much caring.

laurarichardson said:

I've never heard or read anyone believing Prince was on fentanyl for thirty years. That drug dealer article was one article right after he passed that no one outside the org that I know has heard of it. It's all semantics anyway. Drugs are drugs so you can shout it from the mountains but all of us hear have heard your point already.

babynoz said:

OK. Watch yourself

laurarichardson said:

On this point I will say 9/10 times when I do a Prince related Google search results from the org are the first to show up.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

Dibblekins said:

Don't forget also that he had the Narcon shots prior to his tests with Dr S - they would have cleared his system of any opiates / fentanyl - so it is possible he'd taken them before but had his system cleared of them just in time for the bloodwork.

im not sure that it clears the system to that degree. it reverses the effects happening then. all drugs taken prior woild still be detected in blood and hair

Exactly those test he did with Dr. S were used in this investigation to show he was not a long term user of these drugs and that this was accidental. I still say he may have a seizure on that plane not sure if withdrawing would cause it or if he had a seizure disorder.

rogifan said:

It was first synthesised in late 60"'s I believe

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said:

I can't even begin to imagine how flustered he would be if he were actually alive to see some of the things being discussed here.

I'm sure you're right, but he wouldn't be thinking, "Damn, I died under suspicious circumstances and no one who claimed to love me even questioned that. Wow." I'm questioning. And bouncing off scenarios. And hopefully TPTB will hear or see something that might help bring an answer to his death. It doesn't make sense. I need to make sense of it. If for no other reason than because P can't do it for himself. Call me crazy, but after nearly 40 years of his presence in my life, I think he deserves that much caring.

It's natural to want information and to clarify things. Obviously I wouldn't be here if that wasn't true.

Without going into the gory details, I meant that comment to sum up everything from the crazy rumors, innuendo, and half-baked conspiracy theories about his death to the horrible invective thrown at his family.

EnDoRpHn said:

FUNKNROLL said:

People please make this known. Via Billboard - officials say Prince's autopsy shows he was NOT a long time Fentanyl abuser. This is tragic but needs to be heard. "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said." http://www.billboard.com/...watson-385

I have to be blunt here, I don't know why so many people here seem to worry about Prince's reputation or public persona.

Does anyone really think this website has any influence of how people choose to judge him?

Does anything said here change what people said about him back in the early 1980s? Will it change the fact that people at a Rolling Stones concert threw trash and booed him off the stage?

Does it change the opinions of people I grew up with, who made fun of me for listening to someone they assumed was gay, and (in the early emergence of the AIDS crisis) must therefore have AIDS?

Will any of it change the fact that, despite the universal accolades about his artistry, appreciation of Prince's music is an acquired taste? (Lots of long-time subscribers on this website trashed his recent output prior to his death.)

Does it change the fact that any number of people are going to pillory him as a life-long drug addict because of how he died?

We basically know four facts right now with certainty:

1) Prince died from a massive overdose of Fentanyl (enough to kill anyone, according to the Star Tribune).

People here have their own "theories" of how, when, and why, but even in a vacuum of available information, how much do the details really matter?

2) He suffered for 2-3 decades from hip pain (making it likely, though not certain, that he used prescription pain killers for some time before his death).

3) The DEA and other federal, state and local law enforcement authorities are investigating the circumstances leading up to his death. Whether anyone committed or will be charged with a crime is still uncertain.

4) These same agencies have reported, in contexts having nothing to do with Prince, that counterfeit "street" versions of various prescription opioids have been laced with Fentanyl and other substances, and -- together with other restrictions on the prescribing and dispensing of those drugs -- are contributing to an epidemic of drug overdose deaths in the U.S.

In all likelihood, Prince was another victim.

I understand that everyone wants to know and understand what happened. But asking questions about what could have been done differently, whether he could have been saved, why people didn't intervene, are really pointless. Even worse is speculation about baseless theories that the devil, the Illumaniti, Hillary Clinton (yes, that's out there), Warner Bros., anyone in his circle, or anyone else was involved in some convoluted conspiracy.

Everyone needs to be patient, what can be known will be known, in due course.

In the meantime, don't forget to live. Find solace in his music, if that soothes you. Or in the sounds of the seashore, the sunshine and the deep blue skies of the waning days of summer. I can't even begin to imagine how flustered he would be if he were actually alive to see some of the things being discussed here.

Nailed it in one take.

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said:

I can't even begin to imagine how flustered he would be if he were actually alive to see some of the things being discussed here.

I'm sure you're right, but he wouldn't be thinking, "Damn, I died under suspicious circumstances and no one who claimed to love me even questioned that. Wow." I'm questioning. And bouncing off scenarios. And hopefully TPTB will hear or see something that might help bring an answer to his death. It doesn't make sense. I need to make sense of it. If for no other reason than because P can't do it for himself. Call me crazy, but after nearly 40 years of his presence in my life, I think he deserves that much caring.

Exactly, I would hope he would be happy that somebody cared be it him family or the fans.

Someone may have unintenionaly killed him and we all need to keep pushing until it get resolved.

laurarichardson said:

EddieC said:

Unless what you're doing is aimed at sustaining or (in the case of CPR) restoring life, you really shouldn't be messing with someone unnecessarily--leave it to the professionals. While it's unlikely that moving him would make a difference, why risk it for pants? Like I said (in my post, I don't know what happened to my words in the box above--I think those are BillieBalloon's comments), I understand the impulse, but there are actual important things happening at that moment.

I am not speaking of the paramedics. If he were may friend and he was already dead I would not let him go out of there with no pants on. Besides I remember the ME report stating he had on black boxers and a shirt. So this source could be talking out of their ass.

I'm talking about the people who find a person in a medical emergency (or an unexpected death), and the fact that they should leave the person as is (unless they're performing first aid or CPR)--no matter what motivates the action, once you start dressing him and other secondary things, you're contaminating what might become an investigation site, whether or not what you do affects the chances of resuscitation when the EMT's get there.

However, I understand that you would dress your friend. I wouldn't--I'd be beginning CPR, if I kept my head together--and if it were me in distress, I wouldn't want anyone messing with getting clothes on me until all the medical stuff was exhausted.