If that article is true about those laced pills being inside of vitamin c bottles, too I would think Prince would have known at least that the pills in the vatimin c bottle were the wrong pills. I don't know what to think now. My eyes are in shock of what I'm reading.

JoeKelley said:

In no way does this diminish the joy that Prince and his music gave us all these years. However, it is quite obvious he had a serious problem. His overdose and scrambling behavior to make the public and friends think he didn't have a problem the week prior to his passing sure shows this. Time to put aside all your idealization of him and conspiracy theories. In essence, Prince's spiral was so sad and preventable. He wasn't a bad person or a weak person. Just the opposite. I've been to the depths myself but sobered up 25 years ago. Just wish Prince could have had that chance.

[Edited 8/21/16 13:13pm]

[Edited 8/21/16 13:14pm]

Here we go with this bullshit again,

Everybody who does not dutifully subscibe to your particular narrative, based soley on your personal addiction story is automatically idealizing and engaging in conspiracies?

There isn't a single individual here who thinks Prince is a "bad person"....

rogifan said:

babynoz said:

No one is adding anything, all people have to do is read the AP article because that is where it was said.


"But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died. According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were."

So the question is what tests and what pills? And why would the AP story say no prescriptions were found if his doctor had prescribed medication?

I wondered about that. It's been said that the prescriptions were not opoiods, but the reports are that no prescribed medications were found at PP. So it's just one more thing that doesn't make sense. Of course, this comes from sources who might not have the full picture so there's that (not the doc but the ST, who are quoting sources).

rogifan said:

LuxLove said:

From TMZ on 21/4:

4/21/2016 4:51 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

EXCLUSIVE

Prince was treated for a drug overdose 6 days before his death ... multiple sources tell TMZ.

We broke the story ... Prince's private jet made an emergency landing in Moline, Illinois last Friday, hours after he performed in Atlanta. At the time his reps said he was battling the flu ... something we questioned because his plane was only 48 minutes from home before the unscheduled landing.

Multiple sources in Moline tell us, Prince was rushed to a hospital and doctors gave him a "save shot" ... typically administered to counteract the effects of an opiate.

Our sources further say doctors advised Prince to stay in the hospital for 24 hours. His people demanded a private room, and when they were told that wasn't possible ... Prince and co. decided to bail. The singer was released 3 hours after arriving and flew home. We're told when Prince left he "was not doing well."

So "multiple sources in Moline" - no mention of what type like from the hospital, airport or whatever. Bizzare.

Way too many "sources" that are never named.

While I understand that unnamed sources seem unreliable, they're the only kind you're going to have, at least from the hospital. Anyone who says anything detailed about his treatment is putting jobs and licenses on the line--if they're stupid enough to allow themselves to be named.

Doesn't murder include "intent?" Manslaughter, maybe. I still want to see the entire autopsy report.

Dibblekins said:

purplerabbithole said:

The AP has picked up the story and the source is talking to them now...

http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl " target="_blank"> http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl

Oh my God, guys...
.

He had dozens of the things - yes, the pills were falsely marked, but he was keeping them in bottles of Vitamin C, and aspirin...WTF!?! He had them in his bags - the ones that were reportedly packed every day by his bodyguard, I assume?!? Was P putting them in those bottles to keep the bodyguard off the scent?

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Apparently, they didn't JUST contain Fentanyl, but also Lidocaine and that U4770. However, the report also says that 'previous tests before he died' showed he wasn't a long-term user of Fentanyl (so he can't have had the pills long, or at least not been taking them regularly)...Do you think those might be the tests that Dr S ordered? The ones he had to have before going on to rehab?

Poor guy. Sounds pretty typical of someone with a problem, who is ashamed of it. He could be around people, and he would just pop a "vitamin C" and they'd think "oh good, he's taking care of that cold he's been complaining about."

It seems he finally opened up to people in his circle after that incident on the plane that he needed help. So unfortunate that it was too late.

babynoz said:

EnDoRpHn said:

You all want to find a complicated explanation for something that could possibly be much simpler.

If he was wearing the exact same clothes, including the cap, it would really suggest only a couple of alternatives:

1) He died right after he got home, didn't even have a chance to take off his cap (which would suggest he may have taken something downstairs when he got there, and then passed on the elevator going upstairs to the residence). This scenario would have to be correlated with the time of death estimate from the autopsy, if it doesn't, then . . .

2) He didn't change his clothes after he came home (including keeping on the cap), and just happened to be dressed that way when something happened. A plausible explanation is that he was in withdrawal and had the shakes, which would make him feel cold, in which case he would probably want to wear a cap.

It's not really much more complicated than that, and I'm sure that's how the police are proceeding in their investigation.

People here want to get everyone riled up thinking someone came in with guns drawn, forced him to swallow some pills, threw dirty clothes on him, and dragged him to the elevator just to be rank. Talk about something that doesn't make any sense!

Wtf are you even talking about? Did you actually read what I wrote or are you just randomly babbling? Did you miss this, Einstein?

"The fact that he still had the woolen cap on suggests that he had not taken his street clothes off yet."

Show me where I said any of what you are projecting onto me? How am I complicating anything when I said the same damn thing you said about the cap?

Did you quote the wrong post or something?

No, Dr. Watson, I wasn't responding directly to your post, I was talking about the general tenor of the several hundred on this thread.

Amazing that people here wanna start arguing with someone who is agreeing with them.

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

Nobody fucking murdered Prince you guys. My God. If anything, this latest news only serves to again make the simplest explanation the most likely one, which is what I've always beleved and have been saying all along.

The only real question is "who got him the pills" but I highly doubt that whoever did that purposely bought fent laced drugs. Some of you people are amazing with your conspiracy illuminati shit.

If someone got him pills that were laced with Fentanyl and they are not labled Fentanyl and he had no Fentanyl in his system per the test he took on the 20th it is murder.

Could be unintentional but still murder and it does not have to be some conspiracy but someone thinking they were helping him who had no idea what they were doing.

Yeah...no one is saying that Professor Plum took him out with the candlestick in the library. It's that the ST reports that LE doesn't think -- at this point at least -- the P knew he was taking fentanyl. That's some kind of crime for the person who gave it to him (whether a dealer of illicit drugs, a "friend" who got them for him, or a doctor dealing in bad drugs), and that tracks with the ME report (accidental, self-administered overdose of fentanyl).

[Edited 8/21/16 14:11pm]

herb4 said:

NinaB said:

Having 2 obtain pain (/anxiety?) meds from the street, does that mean he could no longer get them thru official channels?

That's my suspicion. Seems like the most likely explanation. The Walgreen's visit smakcs for all the world like a drug seeker trying to get a refill a day before the pharmacy will release it. The educated guess I have is that he wasn't due for a refill for a day or two, went to Walgreen's jonesing and trying and then, when that failed, someone hooked up with turned out to be street level, fent laced hyrdos.

It's going around. People by pill presses and make their own painkillers. A lot of heroin is laced with fent too and fucking a lot of people up.

No your suspicions are based on TMZ's pics. Prince came from Dr. S with Rx that were filled at the Pharmcy no pain meds were given to him by Dr. S none were filled at the Pharmacy or any Walgreens in the area. He was not a drug seeker hanging out at the Walgreens looking for pain meds he was filling the Rxs Dr. S gave him after his visit on April 20th 2016. All of this information came out before the serch warrent was sealed and some of it is repeated in the AP story. I would love it if the former drug users would stop projecting.

I am going to assume he had these fake Hydro pills in a stock pile at PP or had someone bring them to him. P was not going to be on some corner buying drugs and I will never believe he got them from the internet. I believe someone he knew took care of this for him and fucked up with obtaining the fake pills. For all we know he may have been trying to ween himself or maybe he was in a shit load of pain but I feel like he got a raw deal and if someone was enabling that should go to jail.

[Edited 8/21/16 14:09pm]

rogifan said:

herb4 said:

That's my suspicion. Seems like the most likely explanation. The Walgreen's visit smakcs for all the world like a drug seeker trying to get a refill a day before the pharmacy will release it. The educated guess I have is that he wasn't due for a refill for a day or two, went to Walgreen's jonesing and trying and then, when that failed, someone hooked up with turned out to be street level, fent laced hyrdos.

It's going around. People by pill presses and make their own painkillers. A lot of heroin is laced with fent too and fucking a lot of people up.

but that would require a prescription, no?

Yes, but if you attempt to refill it before the "no refills by" date on the bottle, no pharmacy will touch it. Especially fucking Walgreen's. In my experience, they're the hardest of hard asses when it comes to filling these meds. I thought it was clear but it's likely that Prince had recurring scrips for hydro but ran out before his refill date. Hence the weird trip to Walgreen's the day before he died.

I think it went like this:

- Prince had been taking pain meds for years
- He'd devloped a tolerance and was taking too many/exceeding his dose
- He gave WG a shot at least to see if they'd fill his regular scrip and they said no
- He was out of meds and asked one of his inner circle to hook him up
- That person got what he needed off the street. Fent laced counterfeit drugs
- Prince took them like he normally would (two pills maybe) and got knocked on his ass later that night
- Prince got incredibly looped out off the fent, got dizzy, couldn't record or whatever and half assedly tried to change his clothes or something (probably a force of habit or muscle memory if anything since he changed clothes like 4x a day anyhow), absent mindedly slipping the bottle of pills in his pocket or whatever. I doubt at that point (probably around midnight) he even knew what the fuck he was doing but he knew something was wrong.
- He wandered aimlessly to the elevator (that he never used BTW), blitzed out of his fucking mind, probably seeking help or just plain wandering off in a drug haze and, once the fent overtook his breathing, collapsed in there and died
- Whoever this person that hooked him up with whatever killed him is rightfully freaking out and that person is likely one of the people who left town, lawyered up and has been very quiet since Prince's death.

LBrent said:

EddieC said:

It would be the wrong thing to do (as far as compromising investigation into his death), but also an understandable impulse to clothe him. And people who aren't used to dressing other people often make errors, even when they are calm and person being dressed is able to provide some cooperation.

Here's something I want y'all to be aware of, the ME knows about how long P was gone because when he was deceased the position he was in caused bodily fluids to pool (the fluids don't circulate around the body anymore). So if someone is dead on their side or back, for example, when the ME rolled the body to inspect it for trauma, there is a discoloration due to those fluids pooling (sorta like a bruise). What people don't realize is, handling a dead body can cause your finger to leave identifiable marks. If someone dressed him, they may have left behind identifiable finger marks on him.

You're talking about lividity.

teach49 said:

muleFunk said:

If the doctor gave him a sample it wouldn't have the Fentanyl.

So the mystery is that there was no prescription for Fentanyl or Hydrocodone.

Oh, I know that it "shouldn't" have been fentanyl. I'm just wondering if docs actually give samples for pain meds at all.

So, if your doctor gives you a sample in the office, and then doesn't write a prescription, then you would not have a prescription for said medication. But is this within normal practice for pain meds is my question.

It's hard to believe a doctor is involved in this in any way. But the doctor left his job immediately and has not yet begun to practice medicine anywhere else and I find that to be a bit disturbing.

not sure if its been answered or not but no, absolutley not. at least not legally. i doubt they even make samples of pain meds.

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

That's my suspicion. Seems like the most likely explanation. The Walgreen's visit smakcs for all the world like a drug seeker trying to get a refill a day before the pharmacy will release it. The educated guess I have is that he wasn't due for a refill for a day or two, went to Walgreen's jonesing and trying and then, when that failed, someone hooked up with turned out to be street level, fent laced hyrdos.

It's going around. People by pill presses and make their own painkillers. A lot of heroin is laced with fent too and fucking a lot of people up.

No your suspicions are based on TMZ's pics. Prince came from Dr. S with Rx that were filled at the Pharmcy no pain meds were given to him by Dr. S none were filled at the Pharmacy or any Walgreens in the area. He was not a drug seeker hanging out at the Walgreens looking for pain meds he was filling the Rxs Dr. S gave him after his visit on April 20th 2016. All of this information came out before the serch warrent was sealed and some of it is repeated in the AP story. I would love it if the former drug users would stop projecting.

I am going to assume he had these fake Hydro pills in a stock pile at PP or had someone bring them to him. P was not going to be on some corner buying drugs and I will never believe he got them from the internet. I believe someone he knew took care of this for him and fucked up with obtaining the fake pills. For all we know he may have been trying to ween himself or maybe he was in a shit load of pain but I feel like he got a raw deal and if someone was enabling that should go to jail.

[Edited 8/21/16 14:09pm]

The quantities referenced in the AP report correlate with that -- no one close to Prince would take the chance of going on the street any more frequently than was absolutely necessary (it's not as if $$$ would have been an issue). They would probably have bought 2-3 months worth at a time.

Like I said above, it's likely that this info. is leaking right now so that the investigation can flush out the final details required to file charges. If they can amass enough evidence to tie this back to a source, whether a facilitator and/or a dealer, there will absolutely be charges filed.

paulludvig said:

herb4 said:

That's my suspicion. Seems like the most likely explanation. The Walgreen's visit smakcs for all the world like a drug seeker trying to get a refill a day before the pharmacy will release it. The educated guess I have is that he wasn't due for a refill for a day or two, went to Walgreen's jonesing and trying and then, when that failed, someone hooked up with turned out to be street level, fent laced hyrdos.

It's going around. People by pill presses and make their own painkillers. A lot of heroin is laced with fent too and fucking a lot of people up.

How could he hope for a refill at Walgreen's if he didn't have a prescripton to begin with?

[Edited 8/21/16 13:40pm]

Maybe he obtained them through someone else that DID have one. That makes the most sense.

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

babynoz said:

No one is adding anything, all people have to do is read the AP article because that is where it was said.


"But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died. According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were."

So the question is what tests and what pills? And why would the AP story say no prescriptions were found if his doctor had prescribed medication?

That isn't what was said though. this is what was said....

"Tests before he died could have been any time. Did not state they were tests this Dr s did etc. Where did it ever say that? Very vague comment that people are adding info to that may not be accurate at sll."

I was just pointing out that the article did say it....no one was adding anything.


As for no Rx being found, the doctor may have had the scrips with him along with the test results to give them to P that morning. It would make sense to give the Rx when the test results are known.



edit.....not said by you.

[Edited 8/21/16 14:15pm]

herb4 said:

rogifan said:

herb4 said: but that would require a prescription, no?

Yes, but if you attempt to refill it before the "no refills by" date on the bottle, no pharmacy will touch it. Especially fucking Walgreen's. In my experience, they're the hardest of hard asses when it comes to filling these meds. I thought it was clear but it's likely that Prince had recurring scrips for hydro but ran out before his refill date. Hence the weird trip to Walgreen's the day before he died.

I think it went like this:

- Prince had been taking pain meds for years
- He'd devloped a tolerance and was taking too many/exceeding his dose
- He gave WG a shot at least to see if they'd fill his regular scrip and they said no
- He was out of meds and asked one of his inner circle to hook him up
- That person got what he needed off the street. Fent laced counterfeit drugs
- Prince took them like he normally would (two pills maybe) and got knocked on his ass later that night
- Prince got incredibly looped out off the fent, got dizzy, couldn't record or whatever and half assedly tried to change his clothes or something (probably a force of habit or muscle memory if anything since he changed clothes like 4x a day anyhow), absent mindedly slipping the bottle of pills in his pocket or whatever. I doubt at that point (probably around midnight) he even knew what the fuck he was doing but he knew something was wrong.
- He wandered aimlessly to the elevator (that he never used BTW), blitzed out of his fucking mind, probably seeking help or just plain wandering off in a drug haze and, once the fent overtook his breathing, collapsed in there and died
- Whoever this person that hooked him up with whatever killed him is rightfully freaking out and that person is likely one of the people who left town, lawyered up and has been very quiet since Prince's death.

But since Dr. S's lawyer confirms that there WAS a prescription the day before, then it's not such a weird trip to Walgreen's is it.

He was in the same clothes that he had on earlier in the day, down to the cap if we're to believe the ME. Chances are he never got out of those clothes. Remember he liked to stay up until well into the morning.

The rest, who knows.

teach49 said:

laurarichardson said:

If someone got him pills that were laced with Fentanyl and they are not labled Fentanyl and he had no Fentanyl in his system per the test he took on the 20th it is murder.

Could be unintentional but still murder and it does not have to be some conspiracy but someone thinking they were helping him who had no idea what they were doing.

Yeah...no one is saying that Professor Plum took him out with the candlestick in the library. It's that the ST reports that LE doesn't think -- at this point at least -- the P knew he was taking fentanyl. That's some kind of crime for the person who gave it to him (whether a dealer of illicit drugs, a friend who got them for him, or a doctor dealing in bad drugs), and that tracks with the ME report (accidental, self-administered overdose of fentanyl).

Exaclty they are seeing as an accident because the pills were mislabled. P had plans to do more concerts he was not trying to posion himself by taking a handful of Fentynal probaly thinking whatever he was doing was enough to get him from A to B or since he did not have the Fentynal in his system the day before maybe these pills was something he tried for the first time. We have know once again what did they find on him in Moline and what meds he got from Dr. S. I am thinking the Xanax and maybe the anti-seizure meds from Dr. S. We still do not know what med he was trying to withdraw from in the first place.

tigerlilyluv said:

If that article is true about those laced pills being inside of vitamin c bottles, too I would think Prince would have known at least that the pills in the vatimin c bottle were the wrong pills. I don't know what to think now. My eyes are in shock of what I'm reading.

[Edited 8/21/16 14:17pm]

Mkilpatrick74 said:

teach49 said:

Oh, I know that it "shouldn't" have been fentanyl. I'm just wondering if docs actually give samples for pain meds at all.

So, if your doctor gives you a sample in the office, and then doesn't write a prescription, then you would not have a prescription for said medication. But is this within normal practice for pain meds is my question.

It's hard to believe a doctor is involved in this in any way. But the doctor left his job immediately and has not yet begun to practice medicine anywhere else and I find that to be a bit disturbing.

not sure if its been answered or not but no, absolutley not. at least not legally. i doubt they even make samples of pain meds.

Thank you. I figured as much but it was a question in my mind.

herb4 said:

teach49 said:

herb4 said:

Yes, but if you attempt to refill it before the "no refills by" date on the bottle, no pharmacy will touch it. Especially fucking Walgreen's. In my experience, they're the hardest of hard asses when it comes to filling these meds. I thought it was clear but it's likely that Prince had recurring scrips for hydro but ran out before his refill date. Hence the weird trip to Walgreen's the day before he died.

I think it went like this:

- Prince had been taking pain meds for years
- He'd devloped a tolerance and was taking too many/exceeding his dose
- He gave WG a shot at least to see if they'd fill his regular scrip and they said no
- He was out of meds and asked one of his inner circle to hook him up
- That person got what he needed off the street. Fent laced counterfeit drugs
- Prince took them like he normally would (two pills maybe) and got knocked on his ass later that night
- Prince got incredibly looped out off the fent, got dizzy, couldn't record or whatever and half assedly tried to change his clothes or something (probably a force of habit or muscle memory if anything since he changed clothes like 4x a day anyhow), absent mindedly slipping the bottle of pills in his pocket or whatever. I doubt at that point (probably around midnight) he even knew what the fuck he was doing but he knew something was wrong.
- He wandered aimlessly to the elevator (that he never used BTW), blitzed out of his fucking mind, probably seeking help or just plain wandering off in a drug haze and, once the fent overtook his breathing, collapsed in there and died
- Whoever this person that hooked him up with whatever killed him is rightfully freaking out and that person is likely one of the people who left town, lawyered up and has been very quiet since Prince's death.

But since Dr. S's lawyer confirms that there WAS a prescription the day before, then it's not such a weird trip to Walgreen's is it.

He was in the same clothes that he had on earlier in the day, down to the cap if we're to believe the ME. Chances are he never got out of those clothes. Remember he liked to stay up until well into the morning.

The rest, who knows.

They never confirmed what the prescription was for (b/c of MD/patient confidentiality), only that he was given a prescription. Absent other information, people are jumping to a conclusion to assume that he went to Walgreen's to get anything else filled, including his own Rx opiod refill.

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

Nobody fucking murdered Prince you guys. My God. If anything, this latest news only serves to again make the simplest explanation the most likely one, which is what I've always beleved and have been saying all along.

The only real question is "who got him the pills" but I highly doubt that whoever did that purposely bought fent laced drugs. Some of you people are amazing with your conspiracy illuminati shit.

If someone got him pills that were laced with Fentanyl and they are not labled Fentanyl and he had no Fentanyl in his system per the test he took on the 20th it is murder.

Could be unintentional but still murder and it does not have to be some conspiracy but someone thinking they were helping him who had no idea what they were doing.

That's called "manslaughter" or "wrongful death" in a civil case.

leadline said:

endiadj said:

Are the reports of no prescriptions for these pills true? Why hide them in other bottles if they were legally prescribed? Why the investigation? That's what I'm saying.

Who said Prince hid them? All we know is that they were found. We have no idea if it was Prince or someone else that put the drugs in there. Until we have more facts, all possibilities exist.

[Edited 8/21/16 13:30pm]

Link to most recent news story

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/Pills-Found-at-Princes-Estate-Contained-Fentanyl-Officials-390850061.html

rogifan said:

NinaB said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

i feel like ur somehow reading my mind and know my personal situaution(not really) bc its as if u wrote exactly what i feel and deal with daily. i will be praying for u, man i know how lonely this chronic pain journey can be. muchlove to u!!!!

Love to you both ❤

aww love to u too!!!!!

i hope i have not upset anyone here by s haring my personal experience w chronic pain and meds....Like im not trying to project my issues or experience onto him. just trying to give my point of view since i have lived w pain since 2008 and had to unfortunaley depend on meds to have a somewhat normql life. thats all

1Sasha said:

Doesn't murder include "intent?" Manslaughter, maybe. I still want to see the entire autopsy report.

Yes, it does. Like if you get drunk and kill someone driving, it's not murder it's manslaughter. Now, if someone put fent in Prince's food or slipped it into his drink, it's murder.

Also, where is everyone able to cite as fact that Prince had no legit prescriptions for pain medication? Maybe I missed it but I've never seen that verified. Maybe he didn't have a scrop for the BOTTLE IN HIS POCKET, which explains the street counterfeit fentanyl issue, but I've never seen Prince's legal medications listed anywhere one way or the other.

link?

EnDoRpHn said:

teach49 said:

But since Dr. S's lawyer confirms that there WAS a prescription the day before, then it's not such a weird trip to Walgreen's is it.

He was in the same clothes that he had on earlier in the day, down to the cap if we're to believe the ME. Chances are he never got out of those clothes. Remember he liked to stay up until well into the morning.

The rest, who knows.

They never confirmed what the prescription was for (b/c of MD/patient confidentiality), only that he was given a prescription. Absent other information, people are jumping to a conclusion to assume that he went to Walgreen's to get anything else filled, including his own Rx opiod refill.

Right. We're saying the same thing. We don't know much except that the doc gave him a prescription. My point is that, given the fact he had a script from a doc, the trip to Walgreen's cannot be automatically assumed to be weird and drug-seeking behavior. It's quite possible he never filled the prescription. We don't know. Early news reports stated that it was confirmed by sources that the script was NOT for opoiods, but I can't tell if we know that for sure.