Uhm, yes? SMH

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Someone he knew and someone he trusted. Where is the grand jury for this case? I hope his family is looking into this case.

I not familiar with the laws around this. IF Prince asked someone to get him stuff and they unknowingly bought some bad stuff which he took can they go to jail for that?

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

JoeKelley said:

LoriJ said:

ForeverPaisley said:

I so hope he didn't suffer. Knowing he was alone is heartwrenching enough.

But yes, i do think it seems like he was already gone, and IF he didn't put the clothes on himself in that frantic stupor, then yes, this would be why they did, for modesty.

I'm trying to put this delicately, i don't think you can easily dress someone once rigor has set in.

It's not easy even before that. Before rigor mortis, there's several hours of complete flaccidity. The muscles are completely relaxed, and the body is just plain floppy. It's nothing like dressing someone who's asleep, or drowsy, or even resistant. It's much harder. It's hard just to remove clothing, clean the person, and then dress them in a hospital gown when there is absolutely no muscle tension (as we usually did when patients died). I just can't wrap my head around someone without experience (I'm assuming one person in these scenarios) dressing someone in actual clothes in an elevator, even without the emotional turmoil involved. It would be physically difficult in and of itself.

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leadline said:

NinaB said:

Having 2 obtain pain (/anxiety?) meds from the street, does that mean he could no longer get them thru official channels?

That's my suspicion. Seems like the most likely explanation. The Walgreen's visit smakcs for all the world like a drug seeker trying to get a refill a day before the pharmacy will release it. The educated guess I have is that he wasn't due for a refill for a day or two, went to Walgreen's jonesing and trying and then, when that failed, someone hooked up with turned out to be street level, fent laced hyrdos.

It's going around. People by pill presses and make their own painkillers. A lot of heroin is laced with fent too and fucking a lot of people up.

anangellooksdown said:

herb4 said:

EddieC said:

XxAxX said:

herb4 said:

NinaB said:

Having 2 obtain pain (/anxiety?) meds from the street, does that mean he could no longer get them thru official channels?

That's my suspicion. Seems like the most likely explanation. The Walgreen's visit smakcs for all the world like a drug seeker trying to get a refill a day before the pharmacy will release it. The educated guess I have is that he wasn't due for a refill for a day or two, went to Walgreen's jonesing and trying and then, when that failed, someone hooked up with turned out to be street level, fent laced hyrdos.

It's going around. People by pill presses and make their own painkillers. A lot of heroin is laced with fent too and fucking a lot of people up.

How could he hope for a refill at Walgreen's if he didn't have a prescripton to begin with?

[Edited 8/21/16 13:40pm]

EnDoRpHn said:

babynoz said:

So do I. The fact that he still had the woolen cap on suggests that he had not taken his street clothes off yet. Nobody in distress is going to say, "oops, I forgot my cap" and then run right past a phone to the elevator. He passed that night, never knowing that he'd taken fentanyl IMO.

You all want to find a complicated explanation for something that could possibly be much simpler.

If he was wearing the exact same clothes, including the cap, it would really suggest only a couple of alternatives:

1) He died right after he got home, didn't even have a chance to take off his cap (which would suggest he may have taken something downstairs when he got there, and then passed on the elevator going upstairs to the residence). This scenario would have to be correlated with the time of death estimate from the autopsy, if it doesn't, then . . .

2) He didn't change his clothes after he came home (including keeping on the cap), and just happened to be dressed that way when something happened. A plausible explanation is that he was in withdrawal and had the shakes, which would make him feel cold, in which case he would probably want to wear a cap.

It's not really much more complicated than that, and I'm sure that's how the police are proceeding in their investigation.

People here want to get everyone riled up thinking someone came in with guns drawn, forced him to swallow some pills, threw dirty clothes on him, and dragged him to the elevator just to be rank. Talk about something that doesn't make any sense!

Wtf are you even talking about? Did you actually read what I wrote or are you just randomly babbling? Did you miss this, Einstein?

"The fact that he still had the woolen cap on suggests that he had not taken his street clothes off yet."

Show me where I said any of what you are projecting onto me? How am I complicating anything when I said the same damn thing you said about the cap?

Did you quote the wrong post or something?

Mkilpatrick74 said:

muleFunk said:

From the article:

Pills marked as hydrocodone that were seized from Paisley Park after Prince’s overdose death actually contained fentanyl, the powerful opioid that killed him, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

The musician, who weighed only 112 pounds at the time of his death April 21, had so much of the drug in his system, autopsy results later showed, that it would have killed anyone, regardless of size, the source said.

Prince did not possess a prescription for fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that has been described as 100 times more powerful than morphine, the source said.

Despite the finding, investigators still aren’t certain how the 57-year-old megastar ingested the fentanyl. However, they are leaning toward the theory that he took the pills not knowing they contained the drug.

MAJOR !

if the above is true, i can see how it could happen. if prince has battled pain for years, he likely started out on hydrocodone(used to be lorotab). as his tolernce grew, he likely moved to percocet then oxycontin. after long term use, these just do not work anymore requiring the user to take more pills at each time if they arent moved to a stronger med. if prince was in severe paim amd strugglimg w withdrawels, if he got what he believed to be hydrocodone, he would have automatically taken moew than one pill. why? bc he knew that one hydrocodone to his body was like tylenol. he sould have taken a few to try and get same relief he was getting from the percocet (oxycodone w acetametphine ) or oxyconton (straight oxy time released)

This. This right here. Which seems more likely, Milpatrick's scenario or some super deep conspiracy riddled murder plot?

babynoz said:

babynoz said:

DAMMIT, I just want to scream!

me too

206Michelle said:

The major questions I have are:

- How did he obtain the pills?

- Why did the pills have illicit fentanyl?

- Why were his clothes on backward or inside-out?

- Who else knew about or was present when he obtained the pills, took the pills, and put on the clothes?

1. That's the real question. My guess would be from a trusted friend or associate so a few people are scared.
2. Fent is cheaper to use, beleive it or not, and easy to counterfeit in pill presses. Street heroin these days is loaded with it (I have never used H for the record).
3. He ate the pill(s), got fucked up every which way from sideways and put his clothes on while barely coherent.
4. No idea.

We know he obviousl had a painkiller addiction. Are all the people implying he was murdered and there's some weird cover up going on forgetting about the plane icident, the "flu" and the save shot? There's things we don't know but this aint a Columbo or an Agatha Christie mystery here.

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

He had test done by Dr. S the before he died this had been reported numerous times and Dr. S attorney he saying so again in the AP article. Dr S was bring those test results to Prince the day he was found dead. In my mind those results will tell us everything we need to know.

Tests before he died could have been any time. Did not state they were tests this Dr s did etc. Where did it ever say that? Very vague comment that people are adding info to that may not be accurate at sll.

No one is adding anything, all people have to do is read the AP article because that is where it was said.


"But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died. According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were."

herb4 said:

LBrent said:

babynoz said:

That has zero to do with the point I was making.

Toxicology would be able to tell Xanax from Valium, so the Strib report contradicts the AP.....that is my point.

Which leads me to wonder if there is not more than one source of leaks?

I understood what you meant, I just was pointing out that both meds could be present in one sloppy amateur mix by bootleg drug markers.

I was only talking about the discrepancy between the news stories. There was nothing in either story to indicate that both Xanax and Valium together was present in any of the mixtures.

EnDoRpHn said:

babynoz said:

So do I. The fact that he still had the woolen cap on suggests that he had not taken his street clothes off yet. Nobody in distress is going to say, "oops, I forgot my cap" and then run right past a phone to the elevator. He passed that night, never knowing that he'd taken fentanyl IMO.

You all want to find a complicated explanation for something that could possibly be much simpler.

If he was wearing the exact same clothes, including the cap, it would really suggest only a couple of alternatives:

1) He died right after he got home, didn't even have a chance to take off his cap (which would suggest he may have taken something downstairs when he got there, and then passed on the elevator going upstairs to the residence). This scenario would have to be correlated with the time of death estimate from the autopsy, if it doesn't, then . . .

2) He didn't change his clothes after he came home (including keeping on the cap), and just happened to be dressed that way when something happened. A plausible explanation is that he was in withdrawal and had the shakes, which would make him feel cold, in which case he would probably want to wear a cap.

It's not really much more complicated than that, and I'm sure that's how the police are proceeding in their investigation.

People here want to get everyone riled up thinking someone came in with guns drawn, forced him to swallow some pills, threw dirty clothes on him, and dragged him to the elevator just to be rank. Talk about something that doesn't make any sense!

Well, we know he was dropped off on the 20th April at about 8pm. He was found on the 21st April at approximately 9.43am. Rigour mortis had set in, which occurs between 2 and 6 hours after death, so he could have passed anywhere up to about 7.30am.
.

However, given that he was seen at Walgreens at around 7pm on the 20th, 'acting in an agitated manner', presumably after his visit to Dr S, and also presumably picking up the legitimate prescriptions written at that time. His agitation suggests he may well have gone home, taken his anti-anxiety meds but still been in pain - and so took the illicit pills.

.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd be putting the time of him taking those pills shortly after he got home at 8pm-ish. My thinking is that the pills were upstairs in his living quarters, rather than lying around PP - so, in the dressing room / his bags...He took them hurriedly; he immediately felt ill; he staggered to the elevator - maybe he was clinging to a fuzzy hope that whoever had dropped him off might still be around / downstairs / in the car-park..?

terrig said:

teach49 said:

the crucial thing here is the drug being something other than what it was purported to be. i dont know the law but that would make it some degree of murder.

we also dont know if he took one pill or 10 - one pill is a mistake (him not knowing) 10 pills is suicide.
they;ve said accidental - so i'm assuming it was one pill, or something that matched a dose he would normally take...

im so sorry and sad and feeling guilty to even be grasping in this manner - i feel such a desperate need to to know WTF HAPPENED AND WHY.

[Edited 8/21/16 9:27am]

i agree 100% and i feel the desperation right along w you.

sonshine said:

JoeKelley said:

In no way does this diminish the joy that Prince and his music gave us all these years. However, it is quite obvious he had a serious problem. His overdose and scrambling behavior to make the public and friends think he didn't have a problem the week prior to his passing sure shows this. Time to put aside all your idealization of him and conspiracy theories. In essence, Prince's spiral was so sad and preventable. He wasn't a bad person or a weak person. Just the opposite. I've been to the depths myself but sobered up 25 years ago. Just wish Prince could have had that chance.

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[Edited 8/21/16 13:14pm]

This +100 ^^^

No he was a person with joint pain and I will still bet money he was on some sort of pain managment before this went out of control. Blame big Pharma but you will not see that narrative played out in the media.

endiadj said:

NinaB said:

Having 2 obtain pain (/anxiety?) meds from the street, does that mean he could no longer get them thru official channels?

This is what I don't understand. Why couldn't he get professional legitimate care/prescriptions for his pain? Why did he have to resort to this?

His addiction led him to need more than any doctor would prescribe. Opiod painkillers became a schedule 2 narcotic 2 years ago and are much much harder to obtain legally, even if you have the means and the money. They're highly monitored and very heavily regulated. Doesn't matter who you are or what your name is you go on a list run by the State.

The problem with these drugs isn't that they're not helpful or even that they're overly addictive in and of itself, it's that they're over prescribed and for years were handed out like candy and people got hooked. That's why we saw a dramatic spike in heroin use after the DEA reclassified these things to schedule 2.

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

He had test done by Dr. S the before he died this had been reported numerous times and Dr. S attorney he saying so again in the AP article. Dr S was bring those test results to Prince the day he was found dead. In my mind those results will tell us everything we need to know.

Tests before he died could have been any time. Did not state they were tests this Dr s did etc. Where did it ever say that? Very vague comment that people are adding info to that may not be accurate at sll.

That the time to read the AP article before you go off half cocked.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

I will not be surprised if we do not see an arrest this week. I hope this person did not know they were giving him Fentanyl and I hope to God it was not a family member or friend.

The other sernerio is foul play someone gave him bad stuff on purpose to get money or get even. I want to believe it was an accident. Someone trying to help him who screwed up.

This person on FB now says the arrests would be for illegally obtaining painkillers. So then the question becomes why would he need someone to illegally get pills for him?

Because no doctor would write him for the amount he was taking/needed.

babynoz said:

herb4 said:

Nobody fucking murdered Prince you guys. My God. If anything, this latest news only serves to again make the simplest explanation the most likely one, which is what I've always beleved and have been saying all along.

The only real question is "who got him the pills" but I highly doubt that whoever did that purposely bought fent laced drugs. Some of you people are amazing with your conspiracy illuminati shit.

If someone got him pills that were laced with Fentanyl and they are not labled Fentanyl and he had no Fentanyl in his system per the test he took on the 20th it is murder.

Could be unintentional but still murder and it does not have to be some conspiracy but someone thinking they were helping him who had no idea what they were doing.

laurarichardson said:

AA1slot said:

Seems the original report back in April from more "sources" said a bottle of pills were found either at the scene or on Prince. Don't recall ever reading or hearing about a heart condition. Another article heading said the pills were mislabeled. Perhaps these were someone else's RX, purchased online, or mix-up at the pharmacy? He was however, willing to receive either treatment or pain management help. Not buying he was a junkie, but don't think he was murdered or a suicide either. As other's have said, combined with the other drugs already in his system could have been the lethal combination. So sorry for the speculation...was thinking out loud.

Maybe it was the combonation that would have got him if this stuff was not mis-labled but it was and I still cannot imaingine Prince buying something off the internet or from a stranger. This guy had major trust issues by his own admission. Please see the article below about an arrest this week in Prince William County Virgina. This guy was a medical doctor and he was involved with a ring selling fake Xanax that was actuallyHydrocodone pain meds.The police actually asked him to stop prescribing the Xanax as he might have a batch of fake pills and he kept right on. I keep wonder if Dr S or Kirk or involved.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/191595337-story

I live in VA and saw that article ....not that far from PW County either.

rogifan said:

babynoz said:

No one is adding anything, all people have to do is read the AP article because that is where it was said.


"But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died. According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were."

So the question is what tests and what pills? And why would the AP story say no prescriptions were found if his doctor had prescribed medication?

They can't say due to patient privacy laws what those Rx or test were for but I think it will come out if this is a criminal investigation. They already have looked at the files to know he was not a long term Fentaynl user.