muleFunk said:

From the article:

Pills marked as hydrocodone that were seized from Paisley Park after Prince’s overdose death actually contained fentanyl, the powerful opioid that killed him, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

The musician, who weighed only 112 pounds at the time of his death April 21, had so much of the drug in his system, autopsy results later showed, that it would have killed anyone, regardless of size, the source said.

Prince did not possess a prescription for fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that has been described as 100 times more powerful than morphine, the source said.

Despite the finding, investigators still aren’t certain how the 57-year-old megastar ingested the fentanyl. However, they are leaning toward the theory that he took the pills not knowing they contained the drug.

MAJOR !

if the above is true, i can see how it could happen. if prince has battled pain for years, he likely started out on hydrocodone(used to be lorotab). as his tolernce grew, he likely moved to percocet then oxycontin. after long term use, these just do not work anymore requiring the user to take more pills at each time if they arent moved to a stronger med. if prince was in severe paim amd strugglimg w withdrawels, if he got what he believed to be hydrocodone, he would have automatically taken moew than one pill. why? bc he knew that one hydrocodone to his body was like tylenol. he sould have taken a few to try and get same relief he was getting from the percocet (oxycodone w acetametphine ) or oxyconton (straight oxy time released)

LBrent said:

babynoz said:

Okay, the Strib says.....

Sources with knowledge of the investigation have said that autopsy results also revealed the presence of lidocaine, alprazolam and Percocet.



And the Ap says.....

The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.



Alprazolam is Xanax and Diazepam is Valium.......which was it?

If the pill he took wasn't a legitimate pharmaceutical company made product, a bootleg drug maker might add all sorts of drugs together, stir it all up a think the drugs would simply work together. A medical professional/pharmacist would know that mixing certain drugs is dangerous. I doubt bootleg drug markers are checking out the PDR for drug compatibility.

That has zero to do with the point I was making.

Toxicology would be able to tell Xanax from Valium, so the Strib report contradicts the AP.....that is my point.

Which leads me to wonder if there is not more than one source of leaks?

BillieBalloon said:

EddieC said:

It would be the wrong thing to do (as far as compromising investigation into his death), but also an understandable impulse to clothe him. And people who aren't used to dressing other people often make errors, even when they are calm and person being dressed is able to provide some cooperation.

The guy who made the 911 call said they had just discovered Prince and the two employees were hysterical. When would this person have dressed him? After the discovery and before the ambulance?

I would hope if he had no pants on someone would have put some on before the paramedics came. I mean damm that is the least you can do.

CooperC62057 said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

Bingo! Now who the F gave him this shit!!!??? I pray they find rhem. I believe the police are leaking bits of information. They do that as part of the process when they are at a certain point or looking for something in particular or if an announcement of indictment is coming.

Exactly. Thank God someone posted the link to a real legit article showing that this is happening. He may have known he was taking Vicodin but I don't believe for a minute he suspected it could contain fentanyl. That's where it makes his death a murder. He didn't OD on Vicodin.

It doesn't matter if it *was* Vicodin. If someone furnished him Rx drugs without a prescription, and he died from taking them, the supplier is on the hook for a murder or manslaughter charge.

sonshine said:

Still too much reading between the lines and speculation. Take the info at face value and nothing more. For instance the comments about test results before he died. What tests? When? Why? There have been cases recently in Minnesota of someone (dealer) being prosecuted for providing the fatal dose of a drug to another person. IF they can find out who provided the pills laced with fentanyl I'm sure there will be charges. It's being reported more and more how dangerous these pills are and that the people taking them have no idea they are laced with the deadly fentanyl. I'm relieved that prince obviously wasn't abusing fentanyl specifically, but still saddened that his pain management issues wete still a challenging situation in his life causing him obvious health and personal issues. As it does most people who find themselves in the same place. And I'm still just so sad he's gone. How could he be gone so soon, so suddenly and tragically??? It's not right. He should still be here. I still wish this was all a bad dream or some kind of Twilight zone event. Also as far as the other drugs he was on - the Valium and Xanax and hydrocodone with acetaminophen. That's a very common combination for pain management. Valium isn't a typical anti seizure med. Not a long term therapy anyway. In Prince's case it was likely given for anxiety or aggitation, possibly to prevent seizuring due to withdrawl? That makes more sense than his seizure disorder from his youth returned. He would be taking other meds for that like phenobarbital or something.

He had test done by Dr. S the before he died this had been reported numerous times and Dr. S attorney he saying so again in the AP article. Dr S was bring those test results to Prince the day he was found dead. In my mind those results will tell us everything we need to know.

These developments paint a sad picture of Prince's final hours. However, I am not inclined to speculate much. The good thing about this article is that it provides more information so we MIGHT be coming closer to learning the truth about what happened to Prince.

The major questions I have are:

- How did he obtain the pills?

- Why did the pills have illicit fentanyl?

- Why were his clothes on backward or inside-out?

- Who else knew about or was present when he obtained the pills, took the pills, and put on the clothes?

Krystalkisses said:

If someone were going to hastily dress him to cover up something, they wouldn't have put his fucking clothes on backwards or, if they did, would have corrected it. Probably Prince dressed himself and was too fucked up to notice then staggered down to the elevator.

rogifan said:

Someone on FB claims they heard arrests are going to be made in the near future. IF true I wonder if that will just be for someone supplying P illegal drugs or if some sort of foul play was involved.

I will not be surprised if we do not see an arrest this week. I hope this person did not know they were giving him Fentanyl and I hope to God it was not a family member or friend.

The other sernerio is foul play someone gave him bad stuff on purpose to get money or get even. I want to believe it was an accident. Someone trying to help him who screwed up.

In no way does this diminish the joy that Prince and his music gave us all these years. However, it is quite obvious he had a serious problem. His overdose and scrambling behavior to make the public and friends think he didn't have a problem the week prior to his passing sure shows this. Time to put aside all your idealization of him and conspiracy theories. In essence, Prince's spiral was so sad and preventable. He wasn't a bad person or a weak person. Just the opposite. I've been to the depths myself but sobered up 25 years ago. Just wish Prince could have had that chance.

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laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

If this Star Tribune article can be trusted (I am a bit skeptical because no other news source seems to have picked up the story), Prince may be a victim of a new trend in drug manufactoring. Counterfit hydrocodone that is actually fentanyl.. That's just unfair. The dude just didn't feel well and was desperately dodging the rules to find help. I don't think just rich entitled celebrities are capable of doing this....

I do not think the Fentanyl use was at all intentional. Prince made mistakes with his drug usage but he must have known that Fentanyl was extremely dangerous. If he were a fentanyl, I think he would have either died or overdosed several times years ago. Also, why are the police leaning toward the accidental usage of fentanyl. Someone said the pills were labeled incorrectly. This would be why the police would lean toward him not knowing he was taking fentanyl. Otherwise the investigation would go in a different direction toward figuring out Prince purchased fentanyl...

In either of the circumstances you describe, he illegally obtained (and/or someone illegally obtained for him) prescription narcotics. Whether you or I like it or not, he was playing with fire and got burned. That does not mean that no one else is responsible or could be charged, or diminish the fact that he had health problems that created significant pain.

muleFunk said:

herb4 said:

rogifan said:

babynoz said:

According to the AP he had over 100 assorted pills in his possession. If that is the case then perhaps they were not being taken regularly or he would not have that many still around. Cant have it both ways.

If the DEA walked in here right now, some futha-mucka might make the wrong assumption that I'm actuallly taking all this stuff.

I have bottle full on Xanax from 2012 that I've only taken four of, A bottle of cyclobenzaprine from 2014 that I've only taken half a dozen and just got my percs refilled from over a year ago. Hell, I tossed a bottle of tramadol in the trash after two pills because they made my hands and feet numb. One must not flush meds lest they get into the water supply.

The only difference is the bottles all have my name on them because I've been able to work with my doctor regarding my pain management plan. The black market flourishes when people can't work with their doctor.

P not having his own physician is a huge problem here.

My dad takes pills for high blood pressure and a bunch of other things. He has a medicine cabinet full of pill bottles. I wonder if reading this makes it sound worse than it would actually look? And if they found pills and not empty bottles then he must not have been taking them all the time. Maybe he was trying to ween himself off this stuff.

Right.

The pills will either be in the bottle or in your dad, not both. These issues with P developed fairly recently, I think. He got hold of a bad batch, not having any idea there was some fentanyl in the mix.

The foul play comes in with regard to who was supplying him and they could still be arrested even if they didn't know the pills were poisoned because they were not prescribed.

Manslaughter at the least and rightfully so.

leadline said:

Hopefully they will continue along the foul play path, because this news definitely plays towards that, along with all the other holes and inconsistencies over the last 4 months.

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No it doesn't. If it speaks to anything it's the idea that Prince was taking many many more painkillers than are safe to prescribe and sought them through illicit means; hence the counterfit fent/hydro pills. Shit, I get sixty 10mg hydros a month and that's more than enough for anyone experience moderate to sever pain. I think his habit must have been rather intense and even he, with his fame and wealth, couldn't procure enough through legit means.

Someone got these for him and I think that also explains why certain folks lawyered up, left town and shut their mouths. Occam's Razor.

udo said:

nursev said:

Dead in an elevator with clothes on backwards and for four months nobody says a damn word. Highest level of bullshit.

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Exactly.

Backwards is something different than inside out.

You do not wear your clothes backwards by accident.

You can wear your clothes inside out by accident.

This is flat out untrue. You can do both quite easily by accident.

There are tons of things to be upset and suspicious about here--and the clothes are one of them--but if that's all there were, then I'd say "okay--so he put his clothes on wrong." THE PILLS, how he got them, if someone else was involved--that's the story. At least as far as I see it.

NinaB said:

Having 2 obtain pain (/anxiety?) meds from the street, does that mean he could no longer get them thru official channels?

This is what I don't understand. Why couldn't he get professional legitimate care/prescriptions for his pain? Why did he have to resort to this?

laurarichardson said:

endiadj said:

endiadj said:

NinaB said:

Having 2 obtain pain (/anxiety?) meds from the street, does that mean he could no longer get them thru official channels?

This is what I don't understand. Why couldn't he get professional legitimate care/prescriptions for his pain? Why did he have to resort to this?

we do NOT know that he resorted to 'this'

NinaB said:

babynoz said:

1Sasha said:

I still think he passed on the 20th, not the 21st.

So do I. The fact that he still had the woolen cap on suggests that he had not taken his street clothes off yet. Nobody in distress is going to say, "oops, I forgot my cap" and then run right past a phone to the elevator. He passed that night, never knowing that he'd taken fentanyl IMO.

You all want to find a complicated explanation for something that could possibly be much simpler.

If he was wearing the exact same clothes, including the cap, it would really suggest only a couple of alternatives:

1) He died right after he got home, didn't even have a chance to take off his cap (which would suggest he may have taken something downstairs when he got there, and then passed on the elevator going upstairs to the residence). This scenario would have to be correlated with the time of death estimate from the autopsy, if it doesn't, then . . .

2) He didn't change his clothes after he came home (including keeping on the cap), and just happened to be dressed that way when something happened. A plausible explanation is that he was in withdrawal and had the shakes, which would make him feel cold, in which case he would probably want to wear a cap.

It's not really much more complicated than that, and I'm sure that's how the police are proceeding in their investigation.

People here want to get everyone riled up thinking someone came in with guns drawn, forced him to swallow some pills, threw dirty clothes on him, and dragged him to the elevator just to be rank. Talk about something that doesn't make any sense!

Nobody fucking murdered Prince you guys. My God. If anything, this latest news only serves to again make the simplest explanation the most likely one, which is what I've always beleved and have been saying all along.

The only real question is "who got him the pills" but I highly doubt that whoever did that purposely bought fent laced drugs. Some of you people are amazing with your conspiracy illuminati shit.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

lwr001 said:

babynoz said:

So do I. The fact that he still had the woolen cap on suggests that he had not taken his street clothes off yet. Nobody in distress is going to say, "oops, I forgot my cap" and then run right past a phone to the elevator. He passed that night, never knowing that he'd taken fentanyl IMO.

We don't know if he knew he was in distress. I've seen odd. It just happens. Usually they are in a nod and breathing slowly stops. They don't know vb

In Judith Hill's account from the plane incident, they were mid-conversation when his eyes went blank and he drooped over.

leadline said:

endiadj said:

This is what I don't understand. Why couldn't he get professional legitimate care/prescriptions for his pain? Why did he have to resort to this?

we do NOT know that he resorted to 'this'

Are the reports of no prescriptions for these pills true? Why hide them in other bottles if they were legally prescribed? Why the investigation? That's what I'm saying.

endiadj said:

leadline said:

we do NOT know that he resorted to 'this'

Are the reports of no prescriptions for these pills true? Why hide them in other bottles if they were legally prescribed? Why the investigation? That's what I'm saying.

Who said Prince hid them? All we know is that they were found. We have no idea if it was Prince or someone else that put the drugs in there. Until we have more facts, all possibilities exist.

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