laurarichardson said:

Again I treat all unnamed sources with a huge grain of salt but there is nothing in any of these stories that suggest long term use/abuse. One story claims he didn't have a prescription for anything within the last 12 months. The noticeable changes in his physical appearance are really all within the last year/year-in-a half. Which makes me think it was a more recent thing, either the chronic pain got progressively worse in the last 12-18 months. Or there was some other illness nobody knew about.

LuxLove said:

This.

LBrent said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

hmmm thts interesting. thinking back to the tummy issues his chef reported and requesting more smoothies. something deep in my gut says he ws battling the chronic pain along with another illness. domt attack me thats just my little ole humble opinion

I'm with you. I've been saying for awhile that in his last pictures I thought he looked like he had cancer. A very aggressive cancer discovered too late to treat would be consistent with the level of pain that required more aggressive pain management and medication.

I agree with you both. He'd become so thin and he just looked drawn and fragile. I too am of the opinion that he was dealing with another serious medical condition besides the chronic pain issue. I feel so badly for what he must have gone through for so long. I wish we could rewind time.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Seems someone switched pills on Prince. Sorry if this has been said before ... Something that is still not sounding right is the dr from Cali seemed to have knowledge of the fentanyl. How did he know that? I really think this was done to Prince

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This could be the case. We really need to know what pain pills had he ever had an Rx for. We know he had been seeing Dr S for withdrawal so he was taking something he was trying to withdraw from.

What does the full autosy say? Did he have other health issues? We now know about the seizure meds. If the Fentanyl was not on his test what in the hell was Dr. K babbling about grave medical emergeny? What was P on before he took those test. Have they spoken to the person who's name was on the Rxs.

For all of those saying that his people probably dressed him when they found him, Prince was in full rigor when he was found. I know this for a fact, as I have a friend in the ME office. You can't dress a body in rigor. Something else is going on here.

leadline said:

LBrent said:

Could be but of all the pills listed found in his system at the autopsy not one of them is a medication commonly used for cancer?

Dibblekins said:

I wouldn't be surprised if he needed anti-anxiety meds to cope with the stress of concealing what he was doing...Poor lamb. It wouldn't make him a hypocrite; just someone under huge amounts of self-inflicted pressure to keep on performing; keep on living - and yet they did the opposite.

Yes, and also who is to say he didn't have mental health issues as well, like depression or anxiety? The man has been through painful things in his life, on top of that any physical pain he was experiencing, that really could have affected him psychologically.

LuxLove said:

Stay away from the tabloids and the comments sections of news sites. So much better for your sanity.

GimmeThat said:

LuxLove said:

Do we have to pick him apart with the pictures & everything? It will never end will it? Always now every picture, every performance will be picked apart for 'clues' that were missed at the time. This is too much now.

This.

I hope this leak will make his family speak up and tell what was going on. They have the full autosy report and I am sure they can find out thru the police what the test were for.

Just tell it and be done with it. Who knows it may help with the investigation.

laurarichardson said:

Do we know this for certain? We've never heard from the doctor.

BillieBalloon said:

LBrent said:

I'm with you. I've been saying for awhile that in his last pictures I thought he looked like he had cancer. A very aggressive cancer discovered too late to treat would be consistent with the level of pain that required more aggressive pain management and medication.

Could be but of all the pills listed found in his system at the autopsy not one of them is a medication commonly used for cancer?

Maybe he was gong to find out he had it the day the Doctor brought the test.

muleFunk said:

I don't believe that this is new information that was "leaked" to the Star-Tribune.

Thursday's USA Today Weekend edition had a two page spread on the "Mysteries" surrounding Prince's death. To me it seems like they are leading the public on to a bigger "splash" later.

Couple of points I need to make since we are reporting sources.

1. TMZ reported in May that the DEA nor Carver County had recovered any prescriptions that were not under Prince's name. The DEA had not recovered anything in a national/international search either.

My professional opinion is that they are trying to track down the source of the pills and they have not been able to come up with anything BUT......

2. This information was KNOWN on June 5 when they released the autopsy report.

WHY did they just wait to release this information? This is a key point to my original points to a smear campaign taking place and some hint at something not right. This is not a OD here. You don't find ODs in elevators .The fact that this information was out there in Apr/May/June and it was released yesterday is screaming at me that something very abnormal has taken place. Several sources stated that he was dead for six hours before he was found. Will Smith stated he talked with Prince that evening before he was dropped off. I am still of the belief that he was sick but there are things just not right here.

I probably shouldn't say this, but it's a pretty standard investigation technique to release select information, and then watch and wait to see how individuals under surveillance respond to that info.

mnluvsprn said:

For all of those saying that his people probably dressed him when they found him, Prince was in full rigor when he was found. I know this for a fact, as I have a friend in the ME office. You can't dress a body in rigor. Something else is going on here.

Full rigor does not set in until 12 hours after death.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

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This could be the case. We really need to know what pain pills had he ever had an Rx for. We know he had been seeing Dr S for withdrawal so he was taking something he was trying to withdraw from.

What does the full autosy say? Did he have other health issues? We now know about the seizure meds. If the Fentanyl was not on his test what in the hell was Dr. K babbling about grave medical emergeny? What was P on before he took those test. Have they spoken to the person who's name was on the Rxs.

Do we know this for certain? We've never heard from the doctor.

The search warrent was left unsealed and this info leaked out. Someone actually reposted the news report on another thread. It was from that KSPT TV station. He was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals and according to the story sometimes paitents for pain managment seek out patient care for withdrawals to change their course of pain treatment. Maybe the Hydrocone was being used as a means to ween himself but it appears this may have not been done with Dr. S supervision since they also said he never filled any pain meds within the last 12 months.

EnDoRpHn said:

muleFunk said:

I don't believe that this is new information that was "leaked" to the Star-Tribune.

Thursday's USA Today Weekend edition had a two page spread on the "Mysteries" surrounding Prince's death. To me it seems like they are leading the public on to a bigger "splash" later.

Couple of points I need to make since we are reporting sources.

1. TMZ reported in May that the DEA nor Carver County had recovered any prescriptions that were not under Prince's name. The DEA had not recovered anything in a national/international search either.

My professional opinion is that they are trying to track down the source of the pills and they have not been able to come up with anything BUT......

2. This information was KNOWN on June 5 when they released the autopsy report.

WHY did they just wait to release this information? This is a key point to my original points to a smear campaign taking place and some hint at something not right. This is not a OD here. You don't find ODs in elevators .The fact that this information was out there in Apr/May/June and it was released yesterday is screaming at me that something very abnormal has taken place. Several sources stated that he was dead for six hours before he was found. Will Smith stated he talked with Prince that evening before he was dropped off. I am still of the belief that he was sick but there are things just not right here.

I probably shouldn't say this, but it's a pretty standard investigation technique to release select information, and then watch and wait to see how individuals under surveillance respond to that info.

Standard investigation techinque does not involve talking to media and leaking information either.

NinaB said:

babynoz said:

Okay, the Strib says.....

Sources with knowledge of the investigation have said that autopsy results also revealed the presence of lidocaine, alprazolam and Percocet.



And the Ap says.....

The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.



Alprazolam is Xanax and Diazepam is Valium.......which was it?

According to the AP he had over 100 assorted pills in his possession. If that is the case then perhaps they were not being taken regularly or he would not have that many still around. Cant have it both ways.

If the DEA walked in here right now, some futha-mucka might make the wrong assumption that I'm actuallly taking all this stuff.

I have bottle full on Xanax from 2012 that I've only taken four of, A bottle of cyclobenzaprine from 2014 that I've only taken half a dozen and just got my percs refilled from over a year ago. Hell, I tossed a bottle of tramadol in the trash after two pills because they made my hands and feet numb. One must not flush meds lest they get into the water supply.

The only difference is the bottles all have my name on them because I've been able to work with my doctor regarding my pain management plan. The black market flourishes when people can't work with their doctor.

P not having his own physician is a huge problem here.

babynoz said:

Per the article I'm understanding all the meds found in Prince's system could all be found in a single pill they tested. Meaning whoever was manufacturing thses pills was throwing everything in them to make them more potent.

babynoz said:

If the pill he took wasn't a legitimate pharmaceutical company made product, a bootleg drug maker might add all sorts of drugs together, stir it all up a think the drugs would simply work together.

A medical professional/pharmacist would know that mixing certain drugs is dangerous.

I doubt bootleg drug markers are checking out the PDR for drug compatibility.

Having 2 obtain pain (/anxiety?) meds from the street, does that mean he could no longer get them thru official channels?

ForeverPaisley said:

thedoorkeeper said:

I would have to be pretty fucked up to put my pants on backwards. Shirt & socks I can understand.

A lot of his pants (aside from the suits etc) looked like just pull ons (almost similar to leggings in some cases), could easily have pulled them on the wrong way. If you're feeling frantic, from what seems like a medical emergency...i don't think that would be a priority. Having clothes on period would be and is a priority.

I put sweats and t-shirts on backwards all the time--and I'm as clean and sober as it's possible to be.

If he was alone, he might have already had them on that way, or if he was feeling a little off, he might have just thrown them on... it wouldn't matter enough to fix it, if he even noticed. Now, that said, if upset (and inexperienced) people were dressing him (either when he was unconscious or even dead), it also would have been quite easy for them to get it wrong. It is hard to dress or undress an unconscious person, and a dead body is even worse (I used to work in long-term geriatric care).

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

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Pain killer and aspirian

Acetaminophen, otherwise known as Tylenol.

Large doses of Acetaminophen alone will destroy the liver.

slowlywiltingflower said:

LBrent said:

Mkilpatrick74 said: I'm with you. I've been saying for awhile that in his last pictures I thought he looked like he had cancer. A very aggressive cancer discovered too late to treat would be consistent with the level of pain that required more aggressive pain management and medication.

I agree with you both. He'd become so thin and he just looked drawn and fragile. I too am of the opinion that he was dealing with another serious medical condition besides the chronic pain issue. I feel so badly for what he must have gone through for so long. I wish we could rewind time.

Yet all close to him are on record stating he looked fine, no visible concern, no mental concerns. Folks talking about him being thin are people looking at bad quality videos in weird light and shadows of someone who has a humumgus afro wearing loose clothes. Anyone would look thinner than usual with a giant afro and loose clothes. The feet on the street, those close to him, even those at the shows, all state otherwise, it was Prince as usual, nothing out of the ordinary. Look at the pictures posted earlier in this thread, someone took one picture and posted it to show how bad he looked, then pictures were posted from the same event where he looked absolutely perfect. This is what I am talking about, you cant create an accurate story from a single pic or 1 frame from a video. I will trust the feet on the street.

ForeverPaisley said:

anangellooksdown said:

I can't see why anyone would dress someone backwards. I think he put on his clothes himself after being out of it.

If you are distraught and emotional and just wanting to get him clothed before medics and anyone else arrive...it could happen.

It would be the wrong thing to do (as far as compromising investigation into his death), but also an understandable impulse to clothe him. And people who aren't used to dressing other people often make errors, even when they are calm and person being dressed is able to provide some cooperation.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

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This could be the case. We really need to know what pain pills had he ever had an Rx for. We know he had been seeing Dr S for withdrawal so he was taking something he was trying to withdraw from.

What does the full autosy say? Did he have other health issues? We now know about the seizure meds. If the Fentanyl was not on his test what in the hell was Dr. K babbling about grave medical emergeny? What was P on before he took those test. Have they spoken to the person who's name was on the Rxs.

Do we know this for certain? We've never heard from the doctor.

Read the AP article that contains his lawyer's statement.

babynoz said:

My dad takes pills for high blood pressure and a bunch of other things. He has a medicine cabinet full of pill bottles. I wonder if reading this makes it sound worse than it would actually look? And if they found pills and not empty bottles then he must not have been taking them all the time. Maybe he was trying to ween himself off this stuff.

NinaB said:

Generally yes.

EddieC said:

The guy who made the 911 call said they had just discovered Prince and the two employees were hysterical. When would this person have dressed him? After the discovery and before the ambulance?

Yep.

But that is the problem with chronic pain. Most doctors are fearful of giving meds for too long. Also, if he was not getting the correct and recommended kind of surgery for his pain, maybe a doctor couldn't justify continuing to give him meds for pain. It appears that P has had pain issues for years.

NinaB said:

Having 2 obtain pain (/anxiety?) meds from the street, does that mean he could no longer get them thru official channels?

morningsong said:

Everything was on wrong? Everything but underwear? Everything? Both socks inside out?

My guess would be Prince popped a hydro and then got loopy and wasted off it, fucked up dressing himself and then staggered to the elavator. He was probably half out of his mind and just meandered his way down there. Didn't PP staff say he never used the elevator?