I believe that fentanyl, lidocaine and 44770 might be the toxic compound that is found in the counterfit hydrocodone. I think he thought he was taking hydrocodine for his pain.

Dibblekins said:

purplerabbithole said:

The AP has picked up the story and the source is talking to them now...

http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl " target="_blank"> http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl

Oh my God, guys...
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He had dozens of the things - yes, the pills were falsely marked, but he was keeping them in bottles of Vitamin C, and aspirin...WTF!?! He had them in his bags - the ones that were reportedly packed every day by his bodyguard, I assume?!? Was P putting them in those bottles to keep the bodyguard off the scent?

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Apparently, they didn't JUST contain Fentanyl, but also Lidocaine and that U4770. However, the report also says that 'previous tests before he died' showed he wasn't a long-term user of Fentanyl (so he can't have had the pills long, or at least not been taking them regularly)...Do you think those might be the tests that Dr S ordered? The ones he had to have before going on to rehab?

laurarichardson said:

LuxLove said:

Oh bloody hell more details too. Fuck this!

Well I am glad we know. We now know he was not a long term user of Fentanyl so people can stop that bullshit. We know he gobbled these pills in the last 24 hours. It also is stating that one of the bottles was in someone's else name. I wonder who that might be and we now know he was taking anti-seziure meds. I hate saying this be he was rolling the dice taking these meds with that anti-seziure meds. He must have been in some horrible pain. I hope this means an arrest is coming.

[Edited 8/21/16 11:52am]

If he was having seizures again, maybe that's what happened on the 'plane...We still can't be SURE it was an OD on there. The Narcan shots don't prove anything on that score.

purplerabbithole said:

rogifan said:

purplerabbithole said:

The AP has picked up the story and the source is talking to them now...

http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl " target="_blank"> http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl

There certainly seems to be a major leak. You would think those running this investigation would do something about that. My god.

I'm afraid that leaks and the Strib digging, as odious as that may be to you, is the only way you will find out anything, even if it pushed the authorities toward finally releasing more infomation or getting off their duff to work harder to solve the case.


Checks and balances.

Dibblekins said:

purplerabbithole said:

The AP has picked up the story and the source is talking to them now...

http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl " target="_blank"> http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl

Oh my God, guys...
.

He had dozens of the things - yes, the pills were falsely marked, but he was keeping them in bottles of Vitamin C, and aspirin...WTF!?! He had them in his bags - the ones that were reportedly packed every day by his bodyguard, I assume?!? Was P putting them in those bottles to keep the bodyguard off the scent?

.

Apparently, they didn't JUST contain Fentanyl, but also Lidocaine and that U4770. However, the report also says that 'previous tests before he died' showed he wasn't a long-term user of Fentanyl (so he can't have had the pills long, or at least not been taking them regularly)...Do you think those might be the tests that Dr S ordered? The ones he had to have before going on to rehab?

Yes, I do think those are test the doctor order. I am thinking a full test of bloodwork. I still think he was sick with something since the doctor came to him with the test results and maybe that is the reason he was staring to gobbled these pills but they were mis-labled and they are not saying if the other pills were in his system. His bodyguard did say he never saw anything in his bag but he sent that bobyguard a way and was only with Kirk on that trip to Atlanta.

manabean84 said:

strawberrylova123 said:

Lidocaine is for heart arrhythmia and Alprazolam is for anxiety....i dont know what to believe anymore.

My sister was given liquid lidocaine to numb pain from a galstone attack. I also had a friend given lidocaine to numb his esophagus due to a hernia. There is more than one use for it. Alprazolam, yes anxiety.

hmmm thts interesting. thinking back to the tummy issues his chef reported and requesting more smoothies. something deep in my gut says he ws battling the chronic pain along with another illness. domt attack me thats just my little ole humble opinion

Dibblekins said:

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

Well I am glad we know. We now know he was not a long term user of Fentanyl so people can stop that bullshit. We know he gobbled these pills in the last 24 hours. It also is stating that one of the bottles was in someone's else name. I wonder who that might be and we now know he was taking anti-seziure meds. I hate saying this be he was rolling the dice taking these meds with that anti-seziure meds. He must have been in some horrible pain. I hope this means an arrest is coming.

[Edited 8/21/16 11:52am]

If he was having seizures again, maybe that's what happened on the 'plane...We still can't be SURE it was an OD on there. The Narcan shots don't prove anything on that score.

I have been saying that all along. Paramedics do give Norcon shots when they need to revive someone they may have no idea he was using anything and if these drugs did not show up in his test he could have been having a seziure which also will not show up on an autopsy report.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

Oh my God, guys...
.

He had dozens of the things - yes, the pills were falsely marked, but he was keeping them in bottles of Vitamin C, and aspirin...WTF!?! He had them in his bags - the ones that were reportedly packed every day by his bodyguard, I assume?!? Was P putting them in those bottles to keep the bodyguard off the scent?

.

Apparently, they didn't JUST contain Fentanyl, but also Lidocaine and that U4770. However, the report also says that 'previous tests before he died' showed he wasn't a long-term user of Fentanyl (so he can't have had the pills long, or at least not been taking them regularly)...Do you think those might be the tests that Dr S ordered? The ones he had to have before going on to rehab?

Yes, I do think those are test the doctor order. I am thinking a full test of bloodwork. I still think he was sick with something since the doctor came to him with the test results and maybe that is the reason he was staring to gobbled these pills but they were mis-labled and they are not saying if the other pills were in his system. His bodyguard did say he never saw anything in his bag but he sent that bobyguard a way and was only with Kirk on that trip to Atlanta.

Don't forget also that he had the Narcon shots prior to his tests with Dr S - they would have cleared his system of any opiates / fentanyl - so it is possible he'd taken them before but had his system cleared of them just in time for the bloodwork.

Purplealegria7 said:

strawberrylova123 said:

Lidocaine is the most important 1b Arrhthmiac drug, it's specifically used for cardiac ventricle. But it can aslo be used to numb pain.

It's called ventricular Tachycardia, and its one of the most deadly cardiac arrhythmias and if it does not stop it will progress into ventricular fibrillation and death if not treated quickly (I know, I have been a cardiac monitor tech for 15 years). It depends on which type it was: topical (for use on skin for numbing and pain) or intravenously (for cardiac purposes) Too much of it can send the blood pressure spiraling way down though.....

well damn i was leaning towards the liquid version bc of reported issues recently with foods and requestimg smoothies more often. was thinking doc presceibed for something along those lines till i read this. hmmm

slowlywiltingflower said:

Prince's pain issues were not handled well at all. It sounds like. He obviously did't get enough surgery to really help him (JW's influence). He was too ashamed to tell even his body guard that he was taking pain pills in illicit ways. I really do think that Prince was anti-drugs but was so ashamed that he needed help or that he needed to stop performing that he hid it from anyone who could help him. Sad. It sounds like his cousin was right.

I dont think its a matter of hypocrisy. It doesn't sound like he liked doing drugs--its sounds like he thought he had to.

LuxLove said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

manabean84 said:

My sister was given liquid lidocaine to numb pain from a galstone attack. I also had a friend given lidocaine to numb his esophagus due to a hernia. There is more than one use for it. Alprazolam, yes anxiety.

hmmm thts interesting. thinking back to the tummy issues his chef reported and requesting more smoothies. something deep in my gut says he ws battling the chronic pain along with another illness. domt attack me thats just my little ole humble opinion

Yes, I commented on that earlier...If he was taking liquid lidocaine, that might be to treat the sore throats of which he had been complaining...

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However, it now sounds as though it was lidocaine in pill form - that the 'fake' Hydrocodone pills had one hell of a mixture of stuff in them. Ughhh.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Someone he knew and someone he trusted. Where is the grand jury for this case? I hope his family is looking into this case.

I not familiar with the laws around this. IF Prince asked someone to get him stuff and they unknowingly bought some bad stuff which he took can they go to jail for that?

Even if they were giving him legit stuff without a script they could. Conrad Murray did and he was an MD.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

manabean84 said:

My sister was given liquid lidocaine to numb pain from a galstone attack. I also had a friend given lidocaine to numb his esophagus due to a hernia. There is more than one use for it. Alprazolam, yes anxiety.

hmmm thts interesting. thinking back to the tummy issues his chef reported and requesting more smoothies. something deep in my gut says he ws battling the chronic pain along with another illness. domt attack me thats just my little ole humble opinion

We have been saying all along he may have been dealing with muliple issues. I still think he knew his time was short and just gobble anything to deal with the pain. Imagine joint pain, seizures, anxiety and whatever other aliments he recently became aware. I am not trying to offend anyone would you care about taking muliple paid meds if you just want to be comfortable. It does not make it okay for someone to have given him poison or give him someone else's Rx just to keep it private which is what I think he was trying to do.

purplerabbithole said:

Prince's pain issues were not handled well at all. It sounds like. He obviously did't get enough surgery to really help him (JW's influence). He was too ashamed to tell even his body guard that he was taking pain pills in illicit ways. I really do think that Prince was anti-drugs but was so ashamed that he needed help or that he needed to stop performing that he hid it from anyone who could help him. Sad. It sounds like his cousin was right.

I dont think its a matter of hypocrisy. It doesn't sound like he liked doing drugs--its sounds like he thought he had to.

I agree. I don't and will never believe he *wanted* to use the meds he was using. He was in a terrible spot and overwhelmed by pain and just wanted relief.

This is from the TV article.......

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

Again they knew this in June.

Why leak it out now?

rogifan said:

jsb23nc said:

Hmmmm...Recently posted on twitter by saxophonist Adrian Crutchfield:

Adrian Crutchfield ‏@GOODSAX 13m13 minutes ago

Like i been saying.... #theivesnthetemple... and dont believe the hype. Wasnt an accident...

Ok Adrian this is not helping at all. Sigh.

I applaud him for getting this out, it's probably how the entire inner circle feels.

Dibblekins said:

paulludvig said:

According to this new article he could not have been a long term user of fentanyl.

I caught that too....

"U-4770 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case, but the levels of fentanyl in his system were more than enough to be toxic, the official said.

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said."

rogifan said:

LuxLove said:

Are they not trying to suggest he was diguising them?

Also:

no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

Assuming any of this is accurate it sure seems like he was trying to hid them. Still if they were affecting his demeanor at all it would be impossible to hide. I mentioned that my father is an alcoholic. Often times he would mix the booze with soda or tomato juice thinking nobody would notice but of course everyone in the family could tell immediately after he had been drinking because his eyes would be bloodshot and glazed over and he would start slurring his words and not make sense. Was Prinxe able to take this stuff and still act and sound completely normal to where most people around him wouldn't know? If that's the case it makes me even more certain it was chronic pain or an illness that he didn't want people to know about. Which makes me really sad.

It could have been recent. We would have to find out more about his test the day before he died which I think is going come out soon. If he only had the Xanax and Seziure medience in his system maybe he was just about to start dowing heavy meds

rogifan said:

Dibblekins said:

If he was having seizures again, maybe that's what happened on the 'plane...We still can't be SURE it was an OD on there. The Narcan shots don't prove anything on that score.

We still don't have official confirmation that he even had these shots or that it was a drug overdose. Just more unnamed sources. Based on Judith's description it could have been a seizure.

OR it could have been a drug overdose causing some sort of seizure...

leadline said:

muleFunk said:

This is from the TV article.......

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

Again they knew this in June.

Why leak it out now?

To close in or who is involved. Who's name is on the bottle of the other meds? Who helped him get these pills? I hate saying this but I am shocked no one cleaned up his living quarters it was weeks before the police serched the place. This means that his family did not know what was going on.

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

LuxLove said: Assuming any of this is accurate it sure seems like he was trying to hid them. Still if they were affecting his demeanor at all it would be impossible to hide. I mentioned that my father is an alcoholic. Often times he would mix the booze with soda or tomato juice thinking nobody would notice but of course everyone in the family could tell immediately after he had been drinking because his eyes would be bloodshot and glazed over and he would start slurring his words and not make sense. Was Prinxe able to take this stuff and still act and sound completely normal to where most people around him wouldn't know? If that's the case it makes me even more certain it was chronic pain or an illness that he didn't want people to know about. Which makes me really sad.

It could have been recent. We would have to find out more about his test the day before he died which I think is going come out soon. If he only had the Xanax and Seziure medience in his system maybe he was just about to start dowing heavy meds

I think there is some confusion or conflicting info in the two recent articles because (IIRC) the first article said he had alprazolam in his system, which is Xanax and is in the same class as Valium (diazepam) which is what the second article states he had. both meds used for anti-anxiety and/or for seizures.

babynoz said:

I wouldn't be surprised if he needed anti-anxiety meds to cope with the stress of concealing what he was doing...Poor lamb. It wouldn't make him a hypocrite; just someone under huge amounts of self-inflicted pressure to keep on performing; keep on living - and yet they did the opposite.