Mkilpatrick74 said:

The AP has picked up the story and the source is talking to them now...

http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl " target="_blank"> http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl

purplerabbithole said:

How long has he had that doctor?

teach49 said:

Wow. I don't even want to go there...although I've been bothered by that doctor. Sigh.

I think only since earlier in April. I believe it's Kirk's family practitioner.

Either way, if a doc gave me meds, I'd take them if I needed them, assuming that they were, in fact, the drug the doc told me it was.

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

That is the thing that is missing " Did he ever had an Rx for Hydrocodone? Could he have had one in the past from another doctor other then Dr. S. I just found an article about a Doctor prescribing bogus pills here in VA and the police believe that Doctors over prescribing so the pills can get out on the street. Could have had an RX from oversees or picket them up overseas?

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Yes - why the use of the adjective, 'VALID'? What does that even mean? Does it mean there were NO prescriptions of any sort, or that there was something..?

Can a prescription be INvalid?

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An Rx can expire and you may still have pills because you missed your dose. If he was trying to withdraw he may have been weeing himself off. Maybe cutting pills in half. I still think he had Rx at some point and this was pain managment gone bad.

jumanji2016 said:

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

That is the thing that is missing " Did he ever had an Rx for Hydrocodone? Could he have had one in the past from another doctor other then Dr. S. I just found an article about a Doctor prescribing bogus pills here in VA and the police believe that Doctors over prescribing so the pills can get out on the street. Could have had an RX from oversees or picket them up overseas?

[Edited 8/21/16 11:30am]

Yes - why the use of the adjective, 'VALID'? What does that even mean? Does it mean there were NO prescriptions of any sort, or that there was something..?

Can a prescription be INvalid?

[Edited 8/21/16 11:34am]

Yes, when someone steals the prescription pads and writes prescriptions as if they are a doc, when they are not.

I assume this is less common since these days docs will often use the computer to order the prescription. But, both my daughter's pediatrician and my gyn regularly use the old prescription pads. It is not a valid prescription if someone other than the doctor (or PA or NP, in some states) writes it and signs it. But it's happened.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Have you ever actually known, and witnessed day to day over months or YEARS even, a chronic pain sufferers daily battles and how pain can wear a person down physically and mentally? I have been anti-drug ALL MY LIFE (I'm in my late 40s) but in the last years things have gotten bad enough for me that I've started taking anti anxiety medication because I wanted some relief and could find it no other way. Years ago I had to have surgery due to a severe form of a disease and before the surgery, i was in such intense daily pain I was considering all sorts of things I never would have before and when I look back at those days, it feels like a nightmare to me. Stating what an anti-drug health foodie type Prince was before his pain got so all consuming doesn't mean much (to me) when I understand how chronic pain that's chipping away at your life will alter a person and what they might consider in the name of RELIEF.

amen to that!!!!!!!

It's true.

The witch hunt going on right now regarding opiods is catching the wrong people in the middle. Folks with pain issues are catching hell trying to get their meds because ethical doctors are in fear of being disciplined. Meanwhile the black market pill mill is flourishing because of misguided FDA interference.

People will get relief where they can find it when it comes to chronic pain so the Feds are acually putting more people at risk by hounding legitimate doctors and pharmacies.

purplerabbithole said:

The AP has picked up the story and the source is talking to them now...

http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl " target="_blank"> http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl

Oh bloody hell more details too. Fuck this!

pandaleka said:

Regarding a heart condition: Wasn't there an incident in the 90s where Mayte found Prince slumped on a couch after he had taken some medication for heart palpitations with wine?

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She said he complained about heart palpations but we don;t know if that was from a lack of eating or proper sleep which can cause heart palpataions. I speak on this from my own experience.

RachB65 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Right he would trust the person got it for him. He wouldn't suspect Johnson. But the issue the article brings up is that it was illicit but also came in labeled bottle.

IF I am reading it correctly, dealers and manufactors of drugs are creating counterfit drugs filled with fentanyl. Are they selling them labeled as something else?

Is Johnson a murderer? or an idiot who obtained what he thought was hydrocodone from a dubious source?

Its possible the pill bottle was from an old script and the fentanyl pills were purchased illegally and just put in them afterward...

this i could see happening

purplerabbithole said:

According to the second story he had pills in someone elses name? Pills in vitamin bottles? No way I do not believe it - I'm not some stan in denial here either this truly is bullshit. This is not Prince no way.

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

That is the thing that is missing " Did he ever had an Rx for Hydrocodone? Could he have had one in the past from another doctor other then Dr. S. I just found an article about a Doctor prescribing bogus pills here in VA and the police believe that Doctors over prescribing so the pills can get out on the street. Could have had an RX from oversees or picket them up overseas?

[Edited 8/21/16 11:30am]

Yes - why the use of the adjective, 'VALID'? What does that even mean? Does it mean there were NO prescriptions of any sort, or that there was something..?

Can a prescription be INvalid?

[Edited 8/21/16 11:34am]

That's something I overlooked!

The term valid is very interesting. Then in a couple of sentences later you see there is no evidence of doctor shopping. They didn't find any Rx not under Prince's name.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

i feel like ur somehow reading my mind and know my personal situaution(not really) bc its as if u wrote exactly what i feel and deal with daily. i will be praying for u, man i know how lonely this chronic pain journey can be. muchlove to u!!!!

Thank you, and much love back 2 U! You'll be in my prayers too.

-

(I sent you an orgnote)

bobsteezy said:

morningsong said:

One of the overdose victims in California was David Alfaro, a 53-year old man who suffered chronic pain from a leg injury, according to a report by KCRA-TV. "He bought what he thought was Norco, and it ended up being fentanyl -- and it killed him," said Marinda Conway, Alfaro’s common law wife. "He wasn't a heroin addict that was looking to substitute his addiction by buying street pills. He wasn't an opioid addict by any means.” Conway said a single fake Norco pill was enough to kill Alfaro, although autopsy results are pending. "This has been my fear with the new CDC guidelines that more people with pain will have less access to prescription medications; therefore taking matters into their own hands, self-medicating with medications bought on the street," said Paul Gileno, president of U.S. Pain Foundation, referring to recently adopted government guidelines that discourage primary care physicians from prescribing opioids for chronic pain. "The CDC never thought about the unintended consequences from limiting access to legitimate patients needing care whose clinicians now feel unable to prescribe or treat appropriately. My worst nightmare is the possible repercussions looming in the future due to these hindering guidelines," Gileno said. In a survey last fall of over 2,000 pain patients by Pain News Network, 70 percent predicted that use of heroin and other illegal drugs would increase if the CDC guidelines were adopted.

YES!!!

God this is SUCH an important article!!!!

LuxLove said:

According to the second story he had pills in someone elses name? Pills in vitamin bottles? No way I do not believe it - I'm not some stan in denial here either this truly is bullshit. This is not Prince no way.

The pills in vitamin bottles or aspirin bottles isn't a big deal to me, especially for someone who travels a lot. I take 9 pills daily for ulcerative colitis plus a vitamin. I also frequently take advil for joint and have a hydrocodone presciption for joint pain as well (lots of ankle/foot injuries from sports). I frequently travel for work. When I pack my bags, I put all of those pills in the same bottle for convenience and to travel lighter. So, again, that is not a red flag at all.

NinaB said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

i feel like ur somehow reading my mind and know my personal situaution(not really) bc its as if u wrote exactly what i feel and deal with daily. i will be praying for u, man i know how lonely this chronic pain journey can be. muchlove to u!!!!

Love to you both ❤

Thank you, NinaB

Did you guys read the new article. Its worse than we thought. Prince was hiding these kind of pills in Vitamin C bottles and aspirin bottles. It doesnt sound like fentanyl was his drug of choice. It was oxycodine and hydrocodine purchased illegally because doctors refused to give it to him. and his last batch was actually fentanyl instead. Why was he hiding this so much? Shame? remember his body guard packed his bags and said he only saw aspirin and Vitamin C. He was taking them for pain but hiding them. And who the hell gave them to him (Johnson again) ?

Damn that's sad.

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jsb23nc said:

LuxLove said:

According to the second story he had pills in someone elses name? Pills in vitamin bottles? No way I do not believe it - I'm not some stan in denial here either this truly is bullshit. This is not Prince no way.

The pills in vitamin bottles or aspirin bottles isn't a big deal to me, especially for someone who travels a lot. I take 9 pills daily for ulcerative colitis plus a vitamin. I also frequently take advil for joint and have a hydrocodone presciption for joint pain as well (lots of ankle/foot injuries from sports). I frequently travel for work. When I pack my bags, I put all of those pills in the same bottle for convenience and to travel lighter. So, again, that is not a red flag at all.

Are they not trying to suggest he was diguising them?

Also:

no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

LuxLove said:

According to the second story he had pills in someone elses name? Pills in vitamin bottles? No way I do not believe it - I'm not some stan in denial here either this truly is bullshit. This is not Prince no way.

The pills in vitamin bottles or aspirin bottles isn't a big deal to me, especially for someone who travels a lot. I take 9 pills daily for ulcerative colitis plus a vitamin. I also frequently take advil for joint and have a hydrocodone presciption for joint pain as well (lots of ankle/foot injuries from sports). I frequently travel for work. When I pack my bags, I put all of those pills in the same bottle for convenience and to travel lighter. So, again, that is not a red flag

e. When you surreptitiously place a controlled narcotic in those cases it's dine deliberately
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LuxLove said:

purplerabbithole said:

The AP has picked up the story and the source is talking to them now...

http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl " target="_blank"> http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl

Oh bloody hell more details too. Fuck this!

Well I am glad we know. We now know he was not a long term user of Fentanyl so people can stop that bullshit. We know he gobbled these pills in the last 24 hours. It also is stating that one of the bottles was in someone's else name. I wonder who that might be and we now know he was taking anti-seziure meds. I hate saying this be he was rolling the dice taking these meds with that anti-seziure meds. He must have been in some horrible pain. I hope this means an arrest is coming.

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purplerabbithole said:

The AP has picked up the story and the source is talking to them now...

http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl " target="_blank"> http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl

Oh my God, guys...
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He had dozens of the things - yes, the pills were falsely marked, but he was keeping them in bottles of Vitamin C, and aspirin...WTF!?! He had them in his bags - the ones that were reportedly packed every day by his bodyguard, I assume?!? Was P putting them in those bottles to keep the bodyguard off the scent?

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Apparently, they didn't JUST contain Fentanyl, but also Lidocaine and that U4770. However, the report also says that 'previous tests before he died' showed he wasn't a long-term user of Fentanyl (so he can't have had the pills long, or at least not been taking them regularly)...Do you think those might be the tests that Dr S ordered? The ones he had to have before going on to rehab?

purplerabbithole said:

The AP has picked up the story and the source is talking to them now...

http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl " target="_blank"> http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl

Thank you rabbit.

So amongst the pills supplied to him from Lord knows where he got hold of a bad batch.

Getting meds from non official sources means there is no regulation or standardized list of ingredients. That is why the FDA should not be hounding docs and patients with chronic pain issues.

BillieBalloon said:

purplerabbithole said:

The AP has picked up the story and the source is talking to them now...

http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl " target="_blank"> http://www.wnem.com/story...d-fentanyl

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Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

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Wow.

DAMMIT, I just want to scream!