jsb23nc said:

Hmmmm...Recently posted on twitter by saxophonist Adrian Crutchfield:

Adrian Crutchfield ‏@GOODSAX 13m13 minutes ago

Like i been saying.... #theivesnthetemple... and dont believe the hype. Wasnt an accident...

See that? Even those in his inner circle suspect foul play, while most here seem to keep wanting to push the addiction dependency narrative over the last 4 months, coming up with and creating on the spot any and every reason that Prince was an addict instead of looking at the bigger picture and understanding that from day one, that simply made no sense. Good for Adrian, many props to him.

Perhaps when Sheila mentioned 'we're pretty sure we know what happened', this is what she was alluding to as well.

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jsb23nc said:

leadline said:

OperatingThetan said:

NinaB said:

terrig said:

the other question in my mind is the 'illicit' aspect of this...

prince took the drugs thinking they were something else.

but he still took drugs that werent legally prescribed.

he was comfortable enough to take the pills - which means he was comfortable with this source, which speaks to prior experience with the situation. so how long was he obtaining medication outside traditional means?

& why outside of traditional means

why why why - i just want answers even though i have no right to them. this is so so heartbreaking.

jsb23nc said:

morningsong said:

BillieBalloon said:

These are the thoughts that crossed my mind about this report: 1. It's inconceivable that Prince was completely alone in that building. So if if an issue arose , any issue, he would deal with it himself? Who was tending the phones? who was locking up? Prince? 2. Where was he going with his clothes on backwards if the building was empty? There was no phone in his room? Then how come Damaris managed to wake him up with a phone call on that radio interview? All he had to do was stay put and call call 911 or whoever. No need to get into the lift as the person/Paramedics would have come up to him. 3. The only thing that bothers me about the clothes is the socks on inside out. Why would he even bother to put socks on in that state? Clothing maybe, for modesty sake, but socks? 4. We don't know if he was going up in the lift or down. However, if he dressed himself in a panic in his bedroom he was more than likely coming down. To what or whom? Did he call someone and tell them he would meet them downstairs and didn't make it? Who did he call? Did that person turn up? Were they going to take him in a car to the hospital? Is that why he was dressed in a hurry and in the lift? The whole scene is weird and doesn't make sense at all.

Nope not making any sense.

They were in Australia when Demaris called his hotel room. He was always bundled up in photos we saw pf himthis year... even wearing a hat indoors. COuld still have been cold in Minnesota.

rogifan said:

leadline said:

See that? Even those in his inner circle suspect foul play, while most here seem to keep wanting to push the addiction dependency narrative over the last 4 months. Good for Adrian, many props to him.

Perhaps when Sheila mentioned 'we're pretty sure we know what happened', this is what she was alluding to as well.

but does he actually know something? If not then going down this route isn't helpful at all. Here's two other tweets from Adrian: Adrian Crutchfield (@GOODSAX) 8/21/16, 11:48 AM @serpan99 my statement has been the same since day 1. sumthin in the water does not compute. But lets sit back n see wut they say next.... Adrian Crutchfield (@GOODSAX) 8/21/16, 11:57 AM @serpan99 it all just sounds like a "see wut had happened was..." story to me. We dont need excuses we need answers Doesn't sound like he knows anything just isn't buying what's been alleged so far. [Edited 8/21/16 10:07am]

Of course he doesnt know anything, but he does know Prince, and that is enough for him to come to the conclusion that it was not an accident.

AA1slot said:

Clothes on backwards - he had a doctor's appointment earlier that day. He probably felt like shit all day due to withdrawal, and just threw them on any which way after the appointment. Also, his clothes were really relaxed/casual that day, and it didn't exactly have an obvious front and back, so I doubt it really mattered which way they went on. And that would explain why he bothered with socks.

For those thinking someone dressed him after murdering him, don't you think they'd at least try to get his clothes on right if they were bothering to dress him? And why would they bother dressing him if wasn't wearing clothing?

Prince was probably feeling very agitated all day, very uncomfortable from withdrawal symptoms, and his resolve broke at the end of the day. I doubt very much that a doctor seeing him about withdrawal symptoms would prescribe pain meds to him. Perhaps the doctor gave him xanax for the anxiety associated with withdrawal, and maybe some topical lidocaine for localised pain relief.

Then at the end of the day, feeling desperate, Prince knew someone who could get him illicit pills, and begged them to help him out. They did, and perhaps the only party that knew the drugs contained fentynyl were the manufacturers in Mexico, or China or wherever. He took as many as he would normally take if they were hydrocodone, and we know the result.

terrig said:

LoriJ said:

I still think he passed on the 20th, not the 21st.

Purpleone4Eva said:

Clothes on backwards - he had a doctor's appointment earlier that day. He probably felt like shit all day due to withdrawal, and just threw them on any which way after the appointment. Also, his clothes were really relaxed/casual that day, and it didn't exactly have an obvious front and back, so I doubt it really mattered which way they went on. And that would explain why he bothered with socks.

For those thinking someone dressed him after murdering him, don't you think they'd at least try to get his clothes on right if they were bothering to dress him? And why would they bother dressing him if wasn't wearing clothing?

Prince was probably feeling very agitated all day, very uncomfortable from withdrawal symptoms, and his resolve broke at the end of the day. I doubt very much that a doctor seeing him about withdrawal symptoms would prescribe pain meds to him. Perhaps the doctor gave him xanax for the anxiety associated with withdrawal, and maybe some topical lidocaine for localised pain relief.

Then at the end of the day, feeling desperate, Prince knew someone who could get him illicit pills, and begged them to help him out. They did, and perhaps the only party that knew the drugs contained fentynyl were the manufacturers in Mexico, or China or wherever. He took as many as he would normally take if they were hydrocodone, and we know the result.

This is the straightest line and, with what we know, the most likely I admit.

The only piece of the puzzle that doesn't fit is why the doc left his job so immediately. It was like that day or the next day. That is puzzling to me. Leave of absence, I could see. The office doesn't need reporters sniffing about while they are trying to treat sick people. But give up everything you've worked for your whole life just because you were trying to help someone out? That's the only piece of the puzzle you've put together that just doesn't quite fit. Could be nothing, but is enough to give me pause.

I think the only reason people are alarmed about the clothes is because Prince was so fastidious about clothing and more than willing to go with less clothing rather than more. That said, the clothes he was wearing are somewhat easy to get backwards (although I wear similar clothing and I can tell by the way they feel that I've got it wrong pretty easily and fix it while I'm dressing). I've never overdosed on opoiods or been through withdrawals, but I have been dying of sepsis and kidney failure and I did get my clothes on properly when I went to the hospital--casual, pajama-like clothing. And I was pretty out of it, but I managed to do it right by myself. So, I can see both sides. I think it's more likely that he turned it around at the doctor's office earlier that day as you said. If you feel like crap there, it's very easy to turn clothing like that around in a rush just to get out of there, and by the sound of it, he was wearing the same outfit. So, yeah, I think it's more likely that he did it himself, but it is disturbing enough that I understand people thinking of other possibiities.

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AA1slot said:

leadline said:

leadline said:

rogifan said:

AA1slot said:

They were in Australia when Demaris called his hotel room. He was always bundled up in photos we saw pf himthis year... even wearing a hat indoors. COuld still have been cold in Minnesota.

in that phone call he did say he was getting over a cold.

The call was from 2012

http://www.drfunkenberry....isten-now/

Purpleone4Eva said:

Clothes on backwards - he had a doctor's appointment earlier that day. He probably felt like shit all day due to withdrawal, and just threw them on any which way after the appointment. Also, his clothes were really relaxed/casual that day, and it didn't exactly have an obvious front and back, so I doubt it really mattered which way they went on. And that would explain why he bothered with socks.

For those thinking someone dressed him after murdering him, don't you think they'd at least try to get his clothes on right if they were bothering to dress him? And why would they bother dressing him if wasn't wearing clothing?

Prince was probably feeling very agitated all day, very uncomfortable from withdrawal symptoms, and his resolve broke at the end of the day. I doubt very much that a doctor seeing him about withdrawal symptoms would prescribe pain meds to him. Perhaps the doctor gave him xanax for the anxiety associated with withdrawal, and maybe some topical lidocaine for localised pain relief.

Then at the end of the day, feeling desperate, Prince knew someone who could get him illicit pills, and begged them to help him out. They did, and perhaps the only party that knew the drugs contained fentynyl were the manufacturers in Mexico, or China or wherever. He took as many as he would normally take if they were hydrocodone, and we know the result.

This seems like the most plausible scenario to me...

NinaB said:

teach49 said:

It is incredibly confusing, especially since speculation is often stated as fact. I try to say when I'm speculating, but over time things just get confused.

Remember the thread that analyzed his use of arm bands?

Wasn't someone saying something about putting together a chronological list of all known facts so far? That would be helpful. No guesses, just the facts. Maybe also including all relevant statements & snippets from friends & fam etc?

Yes I said this & I would do it if I could stomach to wade through all the BS!

leadline said:

LuxLove said:

The autopsy report would answer a number of questions, but I am sure it would also bring up more.

My head is hurting from this. It is simply awful. What about that other drug supposedly in his system, the one known by numbers? We need the facts. Just the facts.

NinaB said:

LuxLove said:

Yes I said this & I would do it if I could stomach to wade through all the BS!

Makes my head hurt. 4 months.

And the heart. Makes my heart hurt so much I don't have the stomach for it.

teach49 said:

LoriJ said:

nursev said:

wYep the truth is coming and its not pretty.

Yes, because they released the autopsy report right after an unnamed source leak.

yes maam i am with you 100%. its comimg i can feel it. hopedully, an arrest will come with it. i hate this tablet keyboard ughhhh. mispelling shit

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leadline said:

jsb23nc said:

Hmmmm...Recently posted on twitter by saxophonist Adrian Crutchfield:

Adrian Crutchfield ‏@GOODSAX 13m13 minutes ago

Like i been saying.... #theivesnthetemple... and dont believe the hype. Wasnt an accident...

See that? Even those in his inner circle suspect foul play, while most here seem to keep wanting to push the addiction dependency narrative over the last 4 months, coming up with and creating on the spot any and every reason that Prince was an addict instead of looking at the bigger picture and understanding that from day one, that simply made no sense. Good for Adrian, many props to him.

Perhaps when Sheila mentioned 'we're pretty sure we know what happened', this is what she was alluding to as well.

[Edited 8/21/16 10:01am]

Hmmm.....I am grateful that Adrian was willing to speak up.

NinaB said:

Hard enough 2 take in & deal with the fact he's gone. Last 4 months have been added torture. All the dropping hints, half stories & clandestine behaviour etc is starting 2 feel cruel & perverse. And didn't they say it's not even a full time investigation.

I am concerned that if Carver County is not investigating this full time that the source of the fake

hydrocodone pills will never been found. This sounds like a murder investigation and who works a murder investigation part time? I also find it interesting that we still do not know if the lidocaine and alprazolam (xanax) were the Rx's that Dr. S wrote for Prince. What other drugs was he taking because these pain meds cannot be mixed with other drugs with out horrible side effects and we still have hordes of people saying he did not seem high.

It really looks like someone may have slipped him something since they are calling it accidental.

Most common sense explanation.

The only unclear aspects of the situation are "Who gave him the supposed hydrocone?", "Why did his Minnesota doctor get barred from practicing and is laying low?" and "why was he left alone".

I think its kind of common sense what Prince was up to as well as the fact that the fentanyl was not what he intended to take. The guestion is what were his people up to?

Is it possible the Minnesota doctor (who P would have trusted) in a desperate attempt to please his client purchased the pills illegally and quickly?. Or is it back to Johnson desperately purchasing the hydrocone for prince unknowingly giving him lethal pills. I am just glad most people are no longer thinking Prince was killed by close associates on purpose. But both Prince and some of the folks around him really fvcked up.

I don't understand his being alone. You would think at least one other living soul would be on the grounds somewhere. Security someone. But maybe the size of the facility meant finding him in a elevator wasn't going to be as easy as we assume? Never been there obviously.

Purpleone4Eva said:

Clothes on backwards - he had a doctor's appointment earlier that day. He probably felt like shit all day due to withdrawal, and just threw them on any which way after the appointment. Also, his clothes were really relaxed/casual that day, and it didn't exactly have an obvious front and back, so I doubt it really mattered which way they went on. And that would explain why he bothered with socks.

For those thinking someone dressed him after murdering him, don't you think they'd at least try to get his clothes on right if they were bothering to dress him? And why would they bother dressing him if wasn't wearing clothing?

Prince was probably feeling very agitated all day, very uncomfortable from withdrawal symptoms, and his resolve broke at the end of the day. I doubt very much that a doctor seeing him about withdrawal symptoms would prescribe pain meds to him. Perhaps the doctor gave him xanax for the anxiety associated with withdrawal, and maybe some topical lidocaine for localised pain relief.

Then at the end of the day, feeling desperate, Prince knew someone who could get him illicit pills, and begged them to help him out. They did, and perhaps the only party that knew the drugs contained fentynyl were the manufacturers in Mexico, or China or wherever. He took as many as he would normally take if they were hydrocodone, and we know the result.

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