derrick31 said:

teach49 said:

Well, in Chaz's defense, he didn't state that P was addicted in this last interview. He said that family reached out to help him. It's pretty clear that if addiction wasn't the major problem, then there was another problem. Either way he needed help. Also, P's cousin might make a distinction between addiction and dependency resulting from the treatment of pain.

In the end, we only know the exact cause of death. We don't know anything else.

Dr. D claims Prince was taking these opioids since the 80's and not for pain. I know some people don't put much stock in his claims, but he was the first one to identify Prince was using fentanyl and that was on April 23rd. Sad to say, but Prince may have been a drug addict. Also, you may not need to know anything else, but others may. [Edited 8/15/16 18:17pm]

I have researched Narcon a bit. And if I read it correctly, Narcon prohibits painkillers like percocet from working (by blocking receptors) typically for three days. The one drug however that it does not inhibit is, in fact, fentanyl. A drug dealer would know this. He would know that for at least three days, if not longer, percocet would not have had an effect on Prince. The fentanyl mention could have been just a well-educated guess from a man who sold drugs for a living. Prince most likely took percocet on the plane. Narcon was given. It stuck around in his system for possibly longer than it would for a normal sized man. He subsequently went through withdrawal symptoms and either demanded Fentanyl from his hack of a Minnesota doctor and/or his bodyguard Johnson. Or hopefully for those fella's sakes, Prince had some laying around from a previous surgery and desperately took it. Of course, there is no explanation for Prince scoping out Walgreens and waiting for test results (or his chef stating that he was barely eating for two months).

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This is completely unnessesary. Why do they need to unseal these documents? How will this help with the function and business of the Prince Estate? Even if he did have a Will at the time of his divorce the divorce is over 10 years ago so how can the judge prove without a reasonable doubt that everything in a 10 year old Will is what he wanted? Its possible 10 years later he could have changed his mind. Just seems pointless.

This is absolutely ridiculous that they want a 10 year old divorce file. I can't believe a judge entertained this madness. I just don't get it. Why weren't they interested in his divorce business 10 years age. All of a sudden he dies and they want infor(dirt) on Prince. The judge should know they only want something they can gossip about and then call it journalism.

disch said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

laurarichardson said:

-- I am not saying he did take them or that he was not hooked at the end of his life. He was seeing a doctor on outpatient basis for withdrawals. I just do not believe he was using these meds for 10 years. I also remember an interview with Jesse Johnson were he said that Prince had no tolerence for alcohol and the guys in the Time clown him hard for his inability to hold his liquora. Jesse said he would be the first person sick and the first person to pass out. How much weight do you think he put on from the 80s to the end of his life. I also had to Percocets after I had gallbladder surgery I am 5'3 and weighted about 110lbs after that surgery, I received no directions on how many pills to take and popped them like Tic Tacs. I was glued to my bed and became constipated so badly I went off to the emergency room. I don't see how he could have not been taking these things for a decade and not have had an effect on his productivity. What about the stomach problems these pills caused. Why do pics G from late 2015 shows almost chubby face Prince. He did not start to look bad until Jan of 2016. I believe he had other issues going besides pills and I do not think he was taking them for very long.

I agree with the last sentence in this 100%. But that's just me. I would imagine that they did have you out of it, poor thing. When we first twrak my meds to increase they make me very sleepy for first two weeks, after that back to norm. I do suffer constipation BC of them so have to take stuff to counter that. I don't take any of the meds w the Tylenol in it anymore BC of the damage it does to your organs. Straight oxycodone and a time released morphine and u woukdnt know if u met me and did not share. I actually suffer more hell when i try to not take my meds. God i feel like im gonna die or want to die. His death hurts me to my core knowing he was withdrawing alone. Pure Hell in itself not even without the pain on top of it.

So sorry for your suffering such pain and all the complications that go with pain meds. I agree with you that the pain of his withdrawal with no one to confide in is something that haunts me all the time.

I was given an antidepressant for hormonal imbalance when I couldn't tolerate hormone thereapy. When I wanted to quit the antidepressant, the withdrawal symptoms were so severe, it took 10 years to finally get off the stuff!!!! Everytime I would try to stop the prescription, I would become so ill - I just refilled it and gave up. I found many blogs online afterwards, that proved many people are super sensitive to the withdrawals from this particular drug. The doctors who prescribed it didn't have a clue.

So, the physical symptoms of withdrawal are common and painful. HE deserved better. But he wouldn't let anyone help or even stay there with him that night.

Elvis Presley was addicted to prescription drugs when he died. My sweet mother was a huge fan of his. I always think of Prince as my "Elvis" in relation to my Mom's undying love for him when I was growing up. Last week, Linda Thompson was interviewed in People magazine. Some of the things she revealed about her relationship with Elvis upset my mother terribly.

My thought was, will I read something about P that breaks my heart even 20 years from now???

mjscarousal said:

This is completely unnessesary. Why do they need to unseal these documents? How will this help with the function and business of the Prince Estate? Even if he did have a Will at the time of his divorce the divorce is over 10 years ago so how can the judge prove without a reasonable doubt that everything in a 10 year old Will is what he wanted? Its possible 10 years later he could have changed his mind. Just seems pointless.

Reasonable doubt is only used for criminal cases.

Also, the Will is not in the Divorce filings.

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teach49 said:

disch said:

I absolutely think she could be "harassed" if unflattering financial details were released. Like, if it looks like she somehow took Prince to the cleaners or received some shockingly massive settlement, some peple would be like, aha! proof she was nothing but a gold digger! (I mean, look at some of the sentiment toward her on here already ... )

Yes, and I think she mentioned that she has already been harassed so there's every reason to believe she'd get harassed even more if the demise of her marriage to Prince becomes front and center.

I don't think it matters why she wants it private. She has a right to fight this. Period. It doesn't make her anything other than someone who wants what was private between the two of them to remain so.

If Mani is running a charitable foundation she needs to be squeaky, squeaky clean. Donations will dry up in a nanosecond if she gets any bad press. She doesn't want anything revealed that could appear inappropriate or untowards.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

Menes said: Haha haha!!!! Funny as heck lol!

Who has custody of Larry now?

And why hasn't he said anything??

NinaB said:

disch said:

Plenty of people take fentanyl and were not prescribed it. It's pretty widely available on the black market.

We have no idea what Prince was prescribed, or when or why he was taking the fentanyl that killed him. But -- IT DOESN'T MATTER. We really need to stop this moral judgment around addiction. It's disheartening to me to continue to read this kind of thing here. Addiction is an epidemic in this country and I feel anyone dealing with it, no matter the what drove them to start taking whatever they're taking, is suffering (mentally, physically, emotionally) and deserves our compassion. Period.

My mother was the managing director of a rehab 4 heroin addicts in the 80's. We lost people we loved. Drink, street & prescribed drugs have ruined family members lives. Caused me 2 stay away from all 3. I'm the last one u need 2 explain all that 2. But let's not deny the fact that when people say 'drug addict' or 'he was on drugs' the majority do not think prescribed treatment by a doc 4 chronic pain. Add 2 that a rock star...

I agree with both of you.

mjscarousal said:

This is completely unnessesary. Why do they need to unseal these documents? How will this help with the function and business of the Prince Estate? Even if he did have a Will at the time of his divorce the divorce is over 10 years ago so how can the judge prove without a reasonable doubt that everything in a 10 year old Will is what he wanted? Its possible 10 years later he could have changed his mind. Just seems pointless.

I love your closing quote more than life!!!!

purplerabbithole said:

derrick31 said:

teach49 said: Dr. D claims Prince was taking these opioids since the 80's and not for pain. I know some people don't put much stock in his claims, but he was the first one to identify Prince was using fentanyl and that was on April 23rd. Sad to say, but Prince may have been a drug addict. Also, you may not need to know anything else, but others may. [Edited 8/15/16 18:17pm]

I have researched Narcon a bit. And if I read it correctly, Narcon prohibits painkillers like percocet from working typically for three days. The one drug however that it does not inhibit is, in fact, fentanyl. A drug dealer would know this. He would know that for at least three days, if not longer, percocet would not have had an effect on Prince. The fentanyl mention could have been just a well-educated guess from a man who sold drugs for a living. Prince most likely took percocet on the plane. Narcon was given. It stuck around in his system for possibly longer than it would for a normal sized man. He subsequently went through withdrawal symptoms and either demanded Fentanyl from his hack of a Minnesota doctor and/or his bodyguard Johnson. Or hopefully for those fella's sakes, Prince had some laying around from a previous surgery and desperately took it. Of course, there is not explanation for Prince scoping out Walgreens and waiting for test results (or his chef stated that he was barely eating for two months).

[Snip - luv4u]

Im not sure if this was brougt up , but is it possible this may have something to do with the "love4onenother charities" financial arrangement she had with Prince? Perhaps the family wants to know the details/inner workings of that arrangement and cannot gain access to the financials or structure without the judge unsealing the divorce decree? Just a thought. I mean his name is still attached to that asset if i'm not mistaken and she's in charge of it.

StopIt said:

[Snip - luv4u]

Please let's not do this again. We get it. Some of you hate her. Name-calling is so uncalled for.

And you know what, Prince NEVER bad-mouthed his exes like that. At least not publicly. Can we not at least honor that?

Menes said:

Im not sure if this was brougt up , but is it possible this may have something to do with the "love4onenother charities" financial arrangement she had with Prince? Perhaps the family wants to know the details/inner workings of that arrangement and cannot gain access to the financials or structure without the judge unsealing the divorce decree? Just a thought. I mean his name is still attached to that asset if i'm not mistaken and she's in charge of it.

It appears Bremer Trust is fighting against the release of the divorce records.

derrick31 said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

Im not sure if this was brougt up , but is it possible this may have something to do with the "love4onenother charities" financial arrangement she had with Prince? Perhaps the family wants to know the details/inner workings of that arrangement and cannot gain access to the financials or structure without the judge unsealing the divorce decree? Just a thought. I mean his name is still attached to that asset if i'm not mistaken and she's in charge of it.

It appears Bremer Trust is fighting against the release of the divorce records.

On another thread, it was stated Love4OneAnother had 12 million in assets but closed in 2007. Mani's charity started in 2008. I don't think Prince's charity exists anymore.

RainbowGranny said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

It appears Bremer Trust is fighting against the release of the divorce records.

On another thread, it was stated Love4OneAnother had 12 million in assets but closed in 2007. Mani's charity started in 2008. I don't think Prince's charity exists anymore.

Hmm, I wonder if the family wants to see if any of the assets were carried over or transferred ? Closed may not mean much of anything. What are the assets and where did the assets go? To her In a perfect world foundation?

derrick31 said:

Menes said:

RainbowGranny said:

On another thread, it was stated Love4OneAnother had 12 million in assets but closed in 2007. Mani's charity started in 2008. I don't think Prince's charity exists anymore.

Hmm, I wonder if the family wants to see if any of the assets were carried over or transferred ? Closed may not mean much of anything. What are the assets and where did the assets go? To her In a perfect world foundation?

If any one is interested the 501c filing just might be available...I wonder where that 12 million went? Probably in the ether somewhere ...(her purse) I mean... I dont know but you can sorta see what the charity was doing after its inception. It had a nice start (from somewhere) ...Its not doing much now, now is it?

derrick31 said:

laurarichardson said:

-// You are saying that you are taking something from The Daily Mail seriously? The same rag that Anna Fantastic said fabricated an entire interview with her. Trust me I doubt a doctor D exsist as Prince pissed off plenty of people the first 20 years of his carreer why did no one put his business in the street. How was he working with Susan Rogers for 3 days straight on pills with her not noticing. How about W&L. Do you really believe Prince had stage fright so bad he had to just go out and do after shows? Just think about this for a moment.

So I guess the fentanyl was just a lucky guess?

NO, its a well-educated guess by a drug dealer who must know that Narcon inhibits the effects of percocet but not the effects of fentanyl. He covered his basis. it was pretty obvious even in late April that Prince's death was due to an overdose. He had a percocet overdose days before his death and there was indication of a Narcon shot given. Narcon blocks the nerve receptors (typically for three days, I imagine longer for someone as small as Prince.) Therefore, it would be unreasonable for a drug dealer to believe that prince died from percocet . Fentanyl is probably a commonly used drug for people who previously took percecot. NOt a hard thing for a career drug dealer to figure out.

derrick31 said:

laurarichardson said:

-// You are saying that you are taking something from The Daily Mail seriously? The same rag that Anna Fantastic said fabricated an entire interview with her. Trust me I doubt a doctor D exsist as Prince pissed off plenty of people the first 20 years of his carreer why did no one put his business in the street. How was he working with Susan Rogers for 3 days straight on pills with her not noticing. How about W&L. Do you really believe Prince had stage fright so bad he had to just go out and do after shows? Just think about this for a moment.

So I guess the fentanyl was just a lucky guess?

So what? Why does it matter? We still don't all the circumtances with or without Daily Trash Mail story. So what is your point? Any one can make up a story and some aspects of it can be "right" or "true." It seems people want information so the can label and demonize Prince without knowing the circumtances or his problems. He was not the type to yap yap about his problems to the media. People have their issues and deal with it the best they can. What do they want from Prince? Prince was not going around drug out and sickly, so their is more to the story.

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[Edited 8/15/16 20:29pm]

I don't think Mani would want anyone asking questions about her charity - how it started etc. She can't have any bad PR or even the appearance of anything off. I think that is her biggest concern.

silentdaisy said:

My point about P's fentanyl patches most likely being a prescription is that if he was a recreational drug user someone somewhere would have noticed bizarre behavior at some point in time - and there are so many reports of people close to him not noticing anything. That scenario fits perfectly with a person who takes narcotic pain medication TO TREAT ACTUAL PAIN. Over time the body becomes accustomed to the narcotic dose and higher doses are needed to get the same relief. Eventually a person is on powerful meds just to function.

Based on what we know, this seems to be the most logical explanation. Some day we may know more, but usually the simplest explanation based on the evidence is the truth. It doesn't preclude any other health problems either.

[Edited 8/15/16 20:39pm]

RainbowGranny said:

I don't think Mani would want anyone asking questions about her charity - how it started etc. She can't have any bad PR or even the appearance of anything off. I think that is her biggest concern.

This is why Im curious about the "assets". Its not as if the Prince's charity filed "bankruptcy". Its just closed. Interesting. If it closed with 12 milion in assets and you look at her charity, one can ascertain that the money went somewhere else. Since she was in charge of his charity in 2007, I bet someone wants to know where the " assets" went.