I absolutely think she could be "harassed" if unflattering financial details were released. Like, if it looks like she somehow took Prince to the cleaners or received some shockingly massive settlement, some peple would be like, aha! proof she was nothing but a gold digger! (I mean, look at some of the sentiment toward her on here already ... )

BillieBalloon said:

PurpleColossus said:

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Agreed.

Let's say she received x amount and continued to receive a portion of that amount. Why would she state she would be harassed because of this? It doesn't make sense. Who would vilify her for this? Nobody.

leadline said:

It's because most people refuse to think for themselves (be it conscious or unconscious) and instead rely on other sources of info to think for them, they see it enough times in an article, and it becomes fact.

Everything Prince was about was anti addiction, his lyrics, as well as the way he led his life. He worked others through breaking their addictions as well. He was incredibly discipled, the way he recorded, staying true to the rigors of the JW faith, his eating habits, etc, all posed no problem for him. Knowing that, we are to believe that this incredibly disciplined person, who treated his body as a temple, and who anyone close to would say was the healthiest person they know, OD's on a plane an hour after having an amazing show where he was sitting almost the entire time, then throws a party a few days later, and then OD'd again a few days after that? Come on people, think for a second here how ridiulous that sounds. Prince would be shocked at how some of his fans are talking about him being a drug addict as fact and how little they really knew him. His lyrics, his actions, the people close to him, all speak contrary to this farce.

Sheila E mentioned that "he was always in pain", perhaps he was here and there, but if he was on pain killers, or, abusing pain killers, guess what, she would never seen him in pain. Think about that for a sec.

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I like the way you think leadline.

disch said:

I absolutely think she could be "harassed" if unflattering financial details were released. Like, if it looks like she somehow took Prince to the cleaners or received some shockingly massive settlement, some peple would be like, aha! proof she was nothing but a gold digger! (I mean, look at some of the sentiment toward her on here already ... )

BillieBalloon said:

PurpleColossus said: Let's say she received x amount and continued to receive a portion of that amount. Why would she state she would be harassed because of this? It doesn't make sense. Who would vilify her for this? Nobody.

Yes, and I think she mentioned that she has already been harassed so there's every reason to believe she'd get harassed even more if the demise of her marriage to Prince becomes front and center.

I don't think it matters why she wants it private. She has a right to fight this. Period. It doesn't make her anything other than someone who wants what was private between the two of them to remain so.

leadline said:

This is why his sudden death is mystifying to so many. However, we know what led to his death and because there is no other information other than that people are trying to fill in the gaps, it's a natural thing to do. How did this person you describe above that we followed for decades die the way he did?
I don't believe the murder or the suicide theory. The only option left given what limited facts we do have is that P was on pain meds and possibly addicted. His cousin says the family tried to help him and the friends contacted an addiction specialist that arrived too late. I don't know why you call it a farce.
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Menes said:

Too funny

disch said:

But isn't the amount she received already out there?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

hahhahahaa morningsong....Thanks!

morningsong said:

Scream away.

Sometimes a little silly hits the spot.

BillieBalloon said:

disch said:

I absolutely think she could be "harassed" if unflattering financial details were released. Like, if it looks like she somehow took Prince to the cleaners or received some shockingly massive settlement, some peple would be like, aha! proof she was nothing but a gold digger! (I mean, look at some of the sentiment toward her on here already ... )

But isn't the amount she received already out there?

I think there is just an amount from some court filing in 2010 or something...like he didn't pay something and then she took him to court (but I'm guessing a little here). And it seems common knowledge that she got the Toronto house. But I don't think the whole settlement has ever been revealed.

Purplebflogirl said:

Menes said:

On good authority, I heard that one of the things that will be revealed from the settlement is that Prince got custody of Larry.

Too funny

I am wondering if, as has already been said, it has something to do with a trust or on-going financial arrangement P put in place for Mani / her charity. Remember, the divorce lawyers suggested that there was 'something' in the divorce paperwork that might affect who got what - or how much...

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What if the arrangement in place for Mani / her charity means that the family don't stand to get as much from the estate? Could that be why she fears 'harassment'? Because some sort of private financial deal will be revealed that might usurp the family or reduce their entitlement, or even what becomes of Paisley Park, for example? Could this be a possibility at all? After all, it's worth noting that the Bremner people were in court with her so that suggests it's something which involves her and those in charge of administering the estate, no?

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I don't know; once again it's all speculation - but maybe the lawyers on here could say if this might be a consideration..?

I think what's out there are rumors and assumptions, but since the whole divorce settlement was sealed by the court, I don't see how any confirmed facts could already be public -- but someone can correct me if I'm wrong. And it could be that the numbers that have circulated are way off (i.e., way lower than reality...)

BillieBalloon said:

disch said:

I absolutely think she could be "harassed" if unflattering financial details were released. Like, if it looks like she somehow took Prince to the cleaners or received some shockingly massive settlement, some peple would be like, aha! proof she was nothing but a gold digger! (I mean, look at some of the sentiment toward her on here already ... )

But isn't the amount she received already out there?

1contessa said:

captiveunicorn said:

Mumio said: I agree. And add to that - I'm perplexed by the increasing number of comments here like "we all know he was in pain and addicted to painkillers" like its some kind of well-known established fact. It's not. Up until April 21 hardly anyone would have DARED to suggest such a thing. Up until the cause of death was released people were hotly debating whether P would ever have even *touched* medication. Now we've suddenly got family members implying it was a matter of public record(!) that there had been pain/addiction issues. Beyond perplexed by it all.

I have to agree with you. I know that we Prince fans loved him, but let's face it, even the fans were questioning all the secrecy surrounding Prince's death, and like Mumio said, it came as a shock to many of us that Prince was reportedly in pain, and used painkillers, when his death occured. Prince never revealed that to his fans! Maybe if the family wouldn't act as secretly about his death,...then others wouldn't be questioning things, or be suspicious about anything.....just saying.

And this is the same family member that was saying in April:

"I can tell you this: What I know is that he was perfectly healthy," said Smith, who formed a band with Prince when they were kids.

Smith said Prince swore off drugs and alcohol as a kid, and the group they played with saw a lot of music greats fall, so "we decided to never get into that stuff, and no one did."

An odd thing to emphasize if they had been helping him with serious drug abuse problems. And to OD twice in a week would indicate serious abuse of his medication. Lots of people on here use painkillers. How many have had to be resuscitated (and it took quite a while) who were not abusing their prescriptions? How many of those went on to do the same thing within a week? I know there are some people who really struggle to control their drug use - but do you all think P was really struggling this much and no-one noticed until it was too late?

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If everyone around him had been reporting long term problems that would be one thing but even if P had been using painkillers, if those around him had noticed no problems then any use was most likely well regulated for however long he was using. Why would he risk his life (a 2nd time -perhaps after trying to withdraw from painkillers he needed for the pain they are all saying he was in) if he had been using the medication successfully for so long?

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People do crazy things sometimes. Maybe it's true. If so, why don't they just come out with the details and stop all the speculation.

wavesofbliss said:

Add me to those that are glad the records are being unsealed. The Star Tribune is doing their job. Every time anyone tries to get to the bottom of why this man is dead, they are stone-walled. Something isn't right and if this sheds the least bit of light on what the hell happened, I'm all for it.

Well well, look at that. You've got a good memory.

sunset3121 said:

And this is the same family member that was saying in April:

"I can tell you this: What I know is that he was perfectly healthy," said Smith, who formed a band with Prince when they were kids.

Smith said Prince swore off drugs and alcohol as a kid, and the group they played with saw a lot of music greats fall, so "we decided to never get into that stuff, and no one did."

An odd thing to emphasize if they had been helping him with serious drug abuse problems.

laurarichardson said:

teach49 said:

I have heard people say this before -- that this is about Manuela's bad behavior -- but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? (not questioning you per see...just the notion in general) I mean...their marriage ended 10 years ago; she is not what I would call famous, except to P fans as his second wife. How would her behavior in their marriage matter? Besides which, she filed and he did not contest the divorce so her info about her behavior wouldn't be there anyway. No, this is about Prince.

Even the drug use allegation doesn't make sense, since the general public has moved on from this story (a lot has happened since his death) and the public has mostly written him off as a brilliant but drug-addled rock musician like the rest of them. It's not news anymore. It might have been news before the autopsy report, but not now.

The only thing they are going to get is financial records and motions...right? They are fishing for something. Don't know what but our only real hope is that they don't find what they're looking for and this will die in their editorial office.

-/ It is a no-fault divorce state and he did not contest so no information may appear at all. Now we know you have to list your assets and debts so if he had child support or some obligation that would show up I cannot think that they are looking for just drugs when everybody knows that already. We all know what Manny got as a settlement and still do not think anyone cares about her.

Not all of us know. I don't. Please share. Were the details of their settlement published?

Mumio said:

That's because he was not involved in Prince's life most likely. I'm calling bs on this guy. He probably hasn't talked to or seen Prince for decades.
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Mumio said:

Well well, look at that. You've got a good memory.

sunset3121 said:

Well, in Chaz's defense, he didn't state that P was addicted in this last interview. He said that family reached out to help him. It's pretty clear that if addiction wasn't the major problem, then there was another problem. Either way he needed help. Also, P's cousin might make a distinction between addiction and dependency resulting from the treatment of pain.

In the end, we only know the exact cause of death. We don't know anything else and Chaz's comments don't really reveal anything.

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Mumio said:

Well well, look at that. You've got a good memory.

sunset3121 said:

Well, in Chaz's defense, he didn't state that P was addicted in this last interview. He said that family reached out to help him. It's pretty clear that if addiction wasn't the major problem, then there was another problem. Either way he needed help. Also, P's cousin might make a distinction between addiction and dependency resulting from the treatment of pain.

In the end, we only know the exact cause of death. We don't know anything else and Chaz's comments don't really reveal anything.

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How does a cousin who Prince did not even have a relationship with have any clout? He didn't hang out with Prince every day, how would he know one way or another? For all we know they haven't seen or talked to each other for decades. It's easy for his cousin to say whatever he wants because Prince is not here to defend himself.

Now who I will trust is his body guard, who spent half a decade with him, saw him on a daily basis, packed and unpacked his bags, etc. He said if there was a problem he would have known and that he never saw anything out of the ordinary.

Here it is in his body guards own words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0gJahFJ2A

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ufoclub said:

That was my guess. At the time he was heavy into his beliefs.

teach49 said:

Dr. D claims Prince was taking these opioids since the 80's and not for pain. I know some people don't put much stock in his claims, but he was the first one to identify Prince was using fentanyl and that was on April 23rd. Sad to say, but Prince may have been a drug addict.

Also, you may not need to know anything else, but others may.
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derrick31 said:

Why wasn't Dr D arrested? That story made me sick to my stomach literally
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Dibblekins said:

I am wondering if, as has already been said, it has something to do with a trust or on-going financial arrangement P put in place for Mani / her charity. Remember, the divorce lawyers suggested that there was 'something' in the divorce paperwork that might affect who got what - or how much...

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What if the arrangement in place for Mani / her charity means that the family don't stand to get as much from the estate? Could that be why she fears 'harassment'? Because some sort of private financial deal will be revealed that might usurp the family or reduce their entitlement, or even what becomes of Paisley Park, for example? Could this be a possibility at all? After all, it's worth noting that the Bremner people were in court with her so that suggests it's something which involves her and those in charge of administering the estate, no?

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I don't know; once again it's all speculation - but maybe the lawyers on here could say if this might be a consideration..?

As to a possible Trust for her charity...you wouldnt need an attorney/client waiver from the Probate Court to reveal this Trust to Bremer as Mani would have already known about it, and so would Bremer Trust. Also, it would be rare to fund a charity trust for twice the length of the marriage (or to infinity).

The waiver was needed by his prior attorney in regard to something Prince told them in confidence or that they learned during their representation of Prince that they could not reveal without his approval. We dont know how long these attorneys represented Prince, the confidential information they have in their possession may not have anything to do with his divorce.

Dr. D wasn't arrested because he wasn't dealing drugs to Prince at the time of his death.
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derrick31 said:

I know what you are saying but I bet you he is sellimg to someone. Weren't there pics of actual patches and stuff he was holding up? Guess it could have been for show? I wanted to yank that disgusting man up and knock his teeth down his throat. Ugh! Lol sorry just venting
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zenarose said:

I was an investigator for 30 years. I put different scenarios together in order to look at things from different perspectives. "Being outside looking in". When Manuela and Prince got married, something just wasn't right about it to me. It seemed fakish. As time went on, the relationship appeared to be just a very good friendship not a marriage. " Just looking good together" kind of thing. My doubts came from Manuela not not so much Prince. I had thought that maybe they really hadn't gotten married but only agreed to live together for a set # of years, at the end of which she would get $XXX. But then I found that she filed for a divorce, thus they were married. Now my mind is really wondering why all the hoopla about the divorce settlement. There are settlement records on file that show she got over $200,000.00 so I wouldn't think that's it. Now my mind is running away with me...... was Manuela a US citizen? You have to be married to a US citizen for 5 years in order to become a US citizen, even if dual with Canada. They could have had an agreement at the onset. Kinda like "you help me , I'll help you" It was said that Prince did not want the divorce, but I'm not convinced that he really loved her. Maybe he just didn't want to go through all the media circus again. Another scenario is maybe she wanted children really badly and Prince had a vasectomy prior to their marriage and kept it from her. I am not in any way stoning Manuela. My thoughts on Mayte is that she was star struck and very young. Both have issues.

My opinion is that IF it is discovered when the records are unsealed that indeed Prince had a drug problem and Manuela tucked tail and ran rather that stand strong and do everything in her power to succeed in getting him the best help available, then she should be worried about being harassed. Folks have issues with her now, so can you imagine what it would be like then?? These are my thoughts and opinions. I do not mean to upset anyone. Just throwing thoughts and ideas out.

I'm intrigued by that particular mystery as well - the hiring, the charity, the marriage, the folding of one charity, buying the house in Canada, the divorce and then a new pop up charity. It just seemed odd. Who knows. Prince was weird and he some weird ways of doing things.

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Mkilpatrick74 said:

Well, his identity wasn't revealed and the press is not obligated to turn him into the police. Drug dealers are interviewed for articles and documentaries all the time. If they went to jail after every interview, there be no more interviews.

derrick31 said:

He's obviously full of shit. There's no way P could have been taking this stuff since the 80s and have had the career he had. He would have been dead long before now and it's not something he would have been able to hid for 30 some years. Plus as others have pointed out you'd be hard pressed to find one public appearance where P ever looked like he was strung out on anything. It's just complete nonsense.

RainbowGranny said:

I can't stand the woman but God help her if the words drug use or abuse are listed ANYWHWRE in those docs. People will never let her live in peace. Never. Gonna be a shit show and he can't defend himself. I'm truly saddened as this has opened up a can of worms and here we all are racking our brains trying to answer all these unknowns again. Sighhhhh.....

Well as folks know I give two fucks about this lady or Larry, but obviously for this judge to unseal this thing there is some significant info that is in this divorce case that may help this investigation. Why would a judge unseal a divorce case otherwise?

derrick31 said:

Good point. Sorry, I'm not thinking too clearly right now. This reqlly is upsetting.