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Reply #30 posted 08/15/16 12:43pm

ufoclub

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Krystalkisses said:

ufoclub said:

Charlie Sheen was(is?) also a sex addict, so the reason for the divorce could be something else entirely.

Ok... so what are you implying?.....hmm...lol

She probably wanted a divorce because Prince was sleeping around.

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Reply #31 posted 08/15/16 12:44pm

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disch said:

I wonder if she's concerned about financial details being public -- perhaps she got a lot more money from the divorce than was assumed, and it'll have a "gold-digger" appearance. That would be (one of) my concerns if I were her.

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To be honest, I think that's her primary concern here...but we shall see.

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Reply #32 posted 08/15/16 12:45pm

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teach49 said:



Wannabeyourlover1 said:


I read on another site that one of two things may be in those documents..... Either Manuela's bad behavior towards Prince, OR, that she divorced Prince because he was addicted to drugs. And that is why she is saying if the documents are released that the public will harass her. And if you guys remember what she posted on FB after their divorce, saying something to the effect that she hopes Prince wouldn't wind up on TV like Charlie Sheen. ( remember Charlies outburst about his drug addiction). After much critisism, Manuela took the post down. So, I am hoping they keep the dirt sealed. But, doesn't look that way.




I have heard people say this before -- that this is about Manuela's bad behavior -- but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? (not questioning you per see...just the notion in general) I mean...their marriage ended 10 years ago; she is not what I would call famous, except to P fans as his second wife. How would her behavior in their marriage matter? Besides which, she filed and he did not contest the divorce so her info about her behavior wouldn't be there anyway. No, this is about Prince.



Even the drug use allegation doesn't make sense, since the general public has moved on from this story (a lot has happened since his death) and the public has mostly written him off as a brilliant but drug-addled rock musician like the rest of them. It's not news anymore. It might have been news before the autopsy report, but not now.



The only thing they are going to get is financial records and motions...right? They are fishing for something. Don't know what but our only real hope is that they don't find what they're looking for and this will die in their editorial office. neutral


-/ It is a no-fault divorce state and he did not contest so no information may appear at all. Now we know you have to list your assets and debts so if he had child support or some obligation that would show up I cannot think that they are looking for just drugs when everybody knows that already. We all know what Manny got as a settlement and still do not think anyone cares about her.
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Reply #33 posted 08/15/16 12:46pm

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ufoclub said:

Krystalkisses said:

Ok... so what are you implying?.....hmm...lol

She probably wanted a divorce because Prince was sleeping around.

Possibly...but Prince ain't no Charlie Sheen. talk to the hand

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Reply #34 posted 08/15/16 12:47pm

teach49

ufoclub said:

Krystalkisses said:

Ok... so what are you implying?.....hmm...lol

She probably wanted a divorce because Prince was sleeping around.

I don't think she would have had to give a reason in the filing, so even if that's true, evidence of it wouldn't be in the paperwork anyway. neutral

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Reply #35 posted 08/15/16 12:47pm

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IMHO, more is likely to be revealed over time from other people not just about this divorce but whether he was ill or not...never thought I'd hear what Chazz Smith said either following the service and wondered if he received any flack about his interiew from other family members. Wont surprise me if we see a book (not the manuscript) coming along in the next couple of years either.

[Edited 8/15/16 12:50pm]

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Reply #36 posted 08/15/16 12:48pm

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Good, I'm glad information is coming out. There must be something there that is relevant and there's been way too much secrecy surrounding his death already.

I know this won't be a popular opinion but I don't care if others here like it or not. I'm tired of all the bs we've been fed.

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Reply #37 posted 08/15/16 12:48pm

teach49

laurarichardson said:

teach49 said:

I have heard people say this before -- that this is about Manuela's bad behavior -- but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? (not questioning you per see...just the notion in general) I mean...their marriage ended 10 years ago; she is not what I would call famous, except to P fans as his second wife. How would her behavior in their marriage matter? Besides which, she filed and he did not contest the divorce so her info about her behavior wouldn't be there anyway. No, this is about Prince.

Even the drug use allegation doesn't make sense, since the general public has moved on from this story (a lot has happened since his death) and the public has mostly written him off as a brilliant but drug-addled rock musician like the rest of them. It's not news anymore. It might have been news before the autopsy report, but not now.

The only thing they are going to get is financial records and motions...right? They are fishing for something. Don't know what but our only real hope is that they don't find what they're looking for and this will die in their editorial office. neutral

-/ It is a no-fault divorce state and he did not contest so no information may appear at all. Now we know you have to list your assets and debts so if he had child support or some obligation that would show up I cannot think that they are looking for just drugs when everybody knows that already. We all know what Manny got as a settlement and still do not think anyone cares about her.

Exactly.

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Reply #38 posted 08/15/16 12:48pm

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ufoclub said:



Krystalkisses said:




ufoclub said:




Charlie Sheen was(is?) also a sex addict, so the reason for the divorce could be something else entirely.



Ok... so what are you implying?.....hmm...lol




She probably wanted a divorce because Prince was sleeping around.


-// Could be the case but that should not be a news to anyone. He got caught getting busy with Wife 2 before he was divorced from wife 1.so if turned around a cheated on the second one what is the big deal.
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Reply #39 posted 08/15/16 12:53pm

LuxLove

Didn't this all start because the divorce attorney told the estate they may have relevant information?

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Reply #40 posted 08/15/16 12:53pm

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ufoclub said:

Krystalkisses said:

Ok... so what are you implying?.....hmm...lol

She probably wanted a divorce because Prince was sleeping around.

Well, all I know is he wasn't sleeping with me...shrug....lol

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Reply #41 posted 08/15/16 12:56pm

teach49

LuxLove said:

Didn't this all start because the divorce attorney told the estate they may have relevant information?

Honestly, I think this is it. I believe it was after that revelation that the ST wanted the divorce papers. It could be nothing major...who knows...but I suspect they want to know what his lawyers were talking about.

It could be much ado about nothing.

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Reply #42 posted 08/15/16 12:56pm

teach49

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Krystalkisses said:

ufoclub said:

She probably wanted a divorce because Prince was sleeping around.

Well, all I know is he wasn't sleeping with me...shrug....lol

lol

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Reply #43 posted 08/15/16 12:58pm

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teach49 said:

lol

Krystalkisses said:

Well, all I know is he wasn't sleeping with me...shrug....lol

lol

giggle

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Reply #44 posted 08/15/16 12:59pm

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AA1slot said:

...never thought I'd hear what Chazz Smith said either...

What are you making reference to?

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Reply #45 posted 08/15/16 1:02pm

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teach49 said:



LuxLove said:


Didn't this all start because the divorce attorney told the estate they may have relevant information?



Honestly, I think this is it. I believe it was after that revelation that the ST wanted the divorce papers. It could be nothing major...who knows...but I suspect they want to know what his lawyers were talking about.



It could be much ado about nothing.


This is what someone posted in the comments sections on the star tribune story:

This situation is sad. From what I have read and heard from Attorney friends the 2006 divorce has no relation to the death or Will (or lack of Will). This is a news organization digging into a persons private life. Leave the woman alone.


One would think if this had something to do with the estate or death investigation this information could be provided to the relevant parties parties without having to be made public. Prince wasn't a government official or public servant; there is no right to know just becaus he was someone famous. rolleyes
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Reply #46 posted 08/15/16 1:03pm

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PurpleSpirit319 said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: StarTribune is scum. But it sounds like certain confidential things can remain sealed. I would argue anything health related should be considered confidential and not unsealed. What would be awesome though is if there was nothing juicy here and the StarTribune had egg all over its face.

Lets face it, guess who is their prime gossip columnist??? Billy Jack Bitch herself!!!

So many good points made! In the end it all may not be as scandalous as people think. Maybe some garden variety cheating (Manuela), and RX. drug use that exacerbated into addiciton. I will say I can't help but not trust Manuela a little bit.. And I think Prince tho, private, really was more transparent than folks want to give him credit for..

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Reply #47 posted 08/15/16 1:04pm

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LuxLove said:



PurpleHeartBreak said:


I really hate it when people refer to Prince as a drug addict....there is a difference people! Yes he had surgery on one of his hips in 2010, but he needed it redone as well as needing the other hip done. Being a JW, he wasn't allowed to have any blood transfusions, even his own blood. When he had the first hip done, he needed a transfusion then, but refused. What else could he do besides take pain meds? That is the only reason he developed health issues from the pain meds. It's not like he chose to pick up a heroin filled needle to get high from! He was in excruciating pain and his only means of income was performing!?! [Edited 8/15/16 12:34pm]



Where did the info about him needing and refusing a transfusion come from?

[Edited 8/15/16 12:36pm]


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Reply #48 posted 08/15/16 1:10pm

AA1slot

JudasLChrist said:

AA1slot said:

...never thought I'd hear what Chazz Smith said either...

What are you making reference to?

About how he and his family tried to help P as best they could..they had reached out, that it was on record and it's ok to let somone know one hurts and needs help. Actually in recovery programs that the first step to recovery...and admitting that one has a problem. Maybe others knew that OP had reached out tried to help or for what reason, I sure didn't.

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Reply #49 posted 08/15/16 1:22pm

teach49

rogifan said:

teach49 said:

This is what someone posted in the comments sections on the star tribune story:
This situation is sad. From what I have read and heard from Attorney friends the 2006 divorce has no relation to the death or Will (or lack of Will). This is a news organization digging into a persons private life. Leave the woman alone.
One would think if this had something to do with the estate or death investigation this information could be provided to the relevant parties parties without having to be made public. Prince wasn't a government official or public servant; there is no right to know just becaus he was someone famous. rolleyes

Well, since it's a news organization asking, I think they want it public so it's on record and they can report on it openly. And most divorce files are unsealed, so they're asking for the norm, I believe. I don't think this has to do with the death investigation. Law enforcement could subpoena any files they want, I believe, without having them unsealed, right? This is for a news story so if anyone wants to figure it out before they announce it, you'd have to think about what would be newsworthy to them. I suspect it's because P's divorce lawyers said they have work product that may related to possible heirs. That's really the only thing that makes sense here. And Mani probably just wants her private affairs to remain private. She doesn't really need any more motivation than that. Just my two cents.

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Reply #50 posted 08/15/16 1:24pm

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LuxLove said:

Didn't this all start because the divorce attorney told the estate they may have relevant information?

I have a pledge to donate X$$$ per year for 10 years to a hospital foundation and it's clearly stated in my Will. If I die, my estate is required to make arrangements to pay a lump sum to fulfill the pledge to that charity. Some people also bequeath the proceeds from life insurance policies to specified charities when they die.

Prince might have provided the cash to start the charitable foundation (that employs Manuela) and MAYBE there were agreements to keep donating on an annual basis. With no Will - the agreements may be under scrutiny and the legal divorce settlement could shed light on any disputed or ongoing financial commitments. Instead of alimony, Prince might've made an agreement to make donations to her charitable foundation for a certain length of time. Just idle speculation on my part. Without a Will, I would think they are looking at financial details in the divorce settlement - not drugs or infidelities.

Although I can't imagine why this wouldn't be solved directly between lawyers. Not sure why they would need to involve the media.

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Reply #51 posted 08/15/16 1:26pm

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maybe what's in there is in regards to children Prince had.

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Reply #52 posted 08/15/16 1:26pm

teach49

RainbowGranny said:

LuxLove said:

Didn't this all start because the divorce attorney told the estate they may have relevant information?

I have a pledge to donate X$$$ per year for 10 years to a hospital foundation and it's clearly stated in my Will. If I die, my estate is required to make arrangements to pay a lump sum to fulfill the pledge to that charity. Some people also bequeath the proceeds from life insurance policies to specified charities when they die.

Prince might have provided the cash to start the charitable foundation (that employs Manuela) and MAYBE there were agreements to keep donating on an annual basis. With no Will - the agreements may be under scrutiny and the legal divorce settlement could shed light on any disputed or ongoing financial commitments. Instead of alimony, Prince might've made an agreement to make donations to her charitable foundation for a certain length of time. Just idle speculation on my part. Without a Will, I would think they are looking at financial details in the divorce settlement - not drugs or infidelities.

Although I can't imagine why this wouldn't be solved directly between lawyers. Not sure why they would need to involve the media.

This.

It involves the media because the ST news organization wants to know what's going on with the estate. They are the ones who filed the motion to unseal the files. The lawyers were working amongst themselves.

[Edited 8/15/16 13:28pm]

[Edited 8/15/16 13:36pm]

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Reply #53 posted 08/15/16 1:27pm

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laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

I can't believe this. But that's the law, I guess.
It seems some private details will be kept private.

http://m.startribune.com/...390211731/

--- I am trying to understand what difference does it make how long he was using the pain pills. We know he had the some surgery in 2009 from the Ebony article. I think we can guess he was using them while they were married may have even started with an Rx. Why is this news? At this point most of the media has lost interest in the story so what or who is really behind all this. Also what is the point of having anything sealed if the media can open it? What is next opening up medical files because HIPPA violates the public right to know. I hope they can appeal.


Whoever is trying to dig dirt on him is just making themselves look like an ASS!!
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Reply #54 posted 08/15/16 1:30pm

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RainbowGranny said:

LuxLove said:

Didn't this all start because the divorce attorney told the estate they may have relevant information?

I have a pledge to donate X$$$ per year for 10 years to a hospital foundation and it's clearly stated in my Will. If I die, my estate is required to make arrangements to pay a lump sum to fulfill the pledge to that charity. Some people also bequeath the proceeds from life insurance policies to specified charities when they die.

Prince might have provided the cash to start the charitable foundation (that employs Manuela) and MAYBE there were agreements to keep donating on an annual basis. With no Will - the agreements may be under scrutiny and the legal divorce settlement could shed light on any disputed or ongoing financial commitments. Instead of alimony, Prince might've made an agreement to make donations to her charitable foundation for a certain length of time. Just idle speculation on my part. Without a Will, I would think they are looking at financial details in the divorce settlement - not drugs or infidelities.

Although I can't imagine why this wouldn't be solved directly between lawyers. Not sure why they would need to involve the media.

I meant the ST heard that and figured there was something in the papers (that would generate endless hits to their crappy site) and inserted themselves into it rather than lawyers involving media.

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Reply #55 posted 08/15/16 1:36pm

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teach49 said:

ufoclub said:

She probably wanted a divorce because Prince was sleeping around.

I don't think she would have had to give a reason in the filing, so even if that's true, evidence of it wouldn't be in the paperwork anyway. neutral

I'm not so sure...

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Admittedly, I am in the UK, NOT the US but my ex and I got a 'friendly' divorce (I was the petitioner, and he didn't contest it). Ours was so friendly we didn't even use a lawyer, just did it ourselves (trust me, it's a fraction of the price). However, you STILL have to cite the reasons why you want a divorce - 'unreasonable behaviour / irreconcilable differences' was our only option out of those given - and you then have to provide quite detailed paragraphs outlining what precisely constituted those unreasonable behaviours. It's not a very pleasant exercise - and requires revealing things you'd rather others didn't know.

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Reply #56 posted 08/15/16 1:43pm

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Dibblekins said:

teach49 said:

I don't think she would have had to give a reason in the filing, so even if that's true, evidence of it wouldn't be in the paperwork anyway. neutral

I'm not so sure...

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Admittedly, I am in the UK, NOT the US but my ex and I got a 'friendly' divorce (I was the petitioner, and he didn't contest it). Ours was so friendly we didn't even use a lawyer, just did it ourselves (trust me, it's a fraction of the price). However, you STILL have to cite the reasons why you want a divorce - 'unreasonable behaviour / irreconcilable differences' was our only option out of those given - and you then have to provide quite detailed paragraphs outlining what precisely constituted those unreasonable behaviours. It's not a very pleasant exercise - and requires revealing things you'd rather others didn't know.

In the US, you don't have to go into detail in a no-fault divorce, which is what they had. You might check a box that says "irreconcileable differences" but that's about it. I know this from familial experience with divorce, along with several lawyers on the org who have stated as much.

So, yeah, it's different here.

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Reply #57 posted 08/15/16 1:44pm

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Maybe no one could say much because of the investigation...which there appears to be no news on that either...is it still going on? sorry if in wrong thread

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Reply #58 posted 08/15/16 1:44pm

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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:


-/ Once again so what if she divorced him because of drugs we know he was using drugs. Something else is going on. ST spent money an attorney for this.

If it was drugs that seems odd to me. If someone had a drug problem that was affecting their marriage one would assume it would spill out beyond the marriage in to their professional life. We have no evidence of that with Prince. He made records, toured, gave interviews, did awards shows and made other appearances all without any speculation of drug use/abuse. And no public instances where you wondered if he was under the influence of something. That was NOT the case with Charlie Sheen at all. He was a public embarrassment. Prince, up until the very end was the consummate professional, always totally with it and playing and singing as well as ever.

-- This is the thing that makes no sense to me. Even if he developed a high tolerance to the pain meds (which at his size I find hard to believe) How was he able to get around and get so much done if he was poping pills for the last 10 years? He never looked fucked up at any of his concerts as I have looking his live shows going back to 2004. He rode in the jump seat with the bus driver most of that tour and the driver said he so cool. No one has said anything about him being moody or hyper. Something is just not right and this divorce thing is even more weird.
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Reply #59 posted 08/15/16 1:51pm

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laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:


If it was drugs that seems odd to me. If someone had a drug problem that was affecting their marriage one would assume it would spill out beyond the marriage in to their professional life. We have no evidence of that with Prince. He made records, toured, gave interviews, did awards shows and made other appearances all without any speculation of drug use/abuse. And no public instances where you wondered if he was under the influence of something. That was NOT the case with Charlie Sheen at all. He was a public embarrassment. Prince, up until the very end was the consummate professional, always totally with it and playing and singing as well as ever.

-- This is the thing that makes no sense to me. Even if he developed a high tolerance to the pain meds (which at his size I find hard to believe) How was he able to get around and get so much done if he was poping pills for the last 10 years? He never looked fucked up at any of his concerts as I have looking his live shows going back to 2004. He rode in the jump seat with the bus driver most of that tour and the driver said he so cool. No one has said anything about him being moody or hyper. Something is just not right and this divorce thing is even more weird.


Size doesn't stop someone from building a tolerance. I've been on pain meds for close to 10 years thanks to 10 different spine surgeries. Every couple of years we have to increase and tweak dosage. If a normal person took what I tske each day they would likely OD but it can't be helped. It's been a gradual build over the years and nothing one cam do to stop it.. it suxks to have your life revolve around pain meds and know that you have no life without it. If u met me, even with the high dose I take, you'd never know I am on any prescription meds. I'm 100% normal. As he would be too.
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