sadly not many are aware of this....

twinnies said:

Prince was a Christian, as am I. He praised God in interviews, concerts, award shows and wrote some beautiful gospel songs. He was sincere in his Christian beliefs and was not ashamed to let other people know it. He spoke of the Bible and his Christian lyrics in his songs. He always gave God the praise, the honor and the glory. I admired and respected the way Prince proclaimed Christ as King. He even said himself that he had a shrine to Jesus, in his house in Minneapolis. Yes, I believe he led people who are lost to Christ through his song lyrics and the way he spoke openly about studying the Bible. The way he always praised God will be his biggest legacy. That's what I truly admired about Prince.

I'm sorry, but Christianity does NOT recognize JW as a legitimate sect of their religion. Besides that, PROVE he led someone to Christ. Is there anyone online willing to admit that P led them to believe the Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I'll wait.

Does anyone know if the Pfeiffer Syndrome his child suffered from was a result of paternal age or was it part of Prince's genetics?

Menes said:

Does anyone know if the Pfeiffer Syndrome his child suffered from was a result of paternal age or was it part of Prince's genetics?

what would paternal age have to do with it? prince was only 35. But I did read that it was a genetically passed on deformity and one of the brit rags said that prince showed signs of it with his abnormal head size or some such thing. Prince, for his part, from what i read, thought it was karma for his sins.

No.

There are Christian JW's and Prince was one of them. Just like there are Christian Catholics. Just because someone's denomination is JW, does NOT mean they are not Christian. You can express your opinion, but Prince is in Heaven today with Jesus BECAUSE of hsi Christian faith. The lyrics in one of his songs "Jesus, save me, Ive been a fool" is proof to me that he accepted Jesus and is in Heaven. For that, I will see him in Heaven one day.

In the future when the Ibrahimic god/s has been filed with the Norse gods and the egyptian gods and all the other gods in the 'quirky fiction' file as an irelevance Prince's music will still be played.

It is an insult to the music and the art to claim Prince's life as a victory for a non existent god.

EmmaMcG said:

Personally, no. I don't believe in God so Prince’s religious songs do nothing for me. I am not able to relate to them. Besides, I think Prince's biggest legacy will be his music. All of his music. Both religious (Holy River, The Cross etc) and not so religious (Darling Nicki, Private Joy) and everything in between.

exactly

I tolerated his views because he was my musical hero. LOVE the song Everlasting Now...HATE the line "accurate knowledge of Christ and the Father" - I mean, how pretentious can you get?

I have such an appreciation about the immense diversity of P's fans. It is the amazing the diversity of threads and opinions. Everything from idle speculation about hairstyles to scholarly comments on race. Just this week, this thread and the Prince embacing his blackness thread has really impressed me that most people have been able to articulate their distinct view without personally attacking those with opposing points of views. While I now there have been some definite exceptions to this, still I think that we have been able to have some real communication about things that typically break down on other sites because of the mud slinging. WHAT I LOVE MOST ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT HONORS PRINCE, WITH HIS DIVERSE AND SOMETIMES CONTRADICTORY POINTS OF VIEW THAT WERE ALWAYS EVOLVING. I ALSO THINK HE REALLY LIKED THAT HIS AUDIANCE WAS SO DIVERSE TOO.

[Edited 8/2/16 8:08am]

No. He had some nice tracks with inspirational themes, but he was still a flawed, hypocritical human like the rest of us. I love him for the joy and music he brought to my life.....not for his religious/political beliefs.

gandorb said:

lynx said:

I tolerated his views because he was my musical hero. LOVE the song Everlasting Now...HATE the line "accurate knowledge of Christ and the Father" - I mean, how pretentious can you get?

"There's a theocratic order.
There's a theocratic order now

This is how it's gonna b
If u wanna b with me
Ain't no room 4 disagree
1+1+1 is 3"

NO ROOM 4 DISAGREE????

[Edited 8/2/16 10:59am]

ludwig said:

lynx said:

I tolerated his views because he was my musical hero. LOVE the song Everlasting Now...HATE the line "accurate knowledge of Christ and the Father" - I mean, how pretentious can you get?

"There's a theocratic order.
There's a theocratic order now

This is how it's gonna b
If u wanna b with me
Ain't no room 4 disagree
1+1+1 is 3"

NO ROOM 4 DISAGREE????

[Edited 8/2/16 10:59am]

Yep don't think P liked it when people disagreed with what he felt was truth.

roxy831 said:

twinnies said:

Prince was a Christian, as am I. He praised God in interviews, concerts, award shows and wrote some beautiful gospel songs. He was sincere in his Christian beliefs and was not ashamed to let other people know it. He spoke of the Bible and his Christian lyrics in his songs. He always gave God the praise, the honor and the glory. I admired and respected the way Prince proclaimed Christ as King. He even said himself that he had a shrine to Jesus, in his house in Minneapolis. Yes, I believe he led people who are lost to Christ through his song lyrics and the way he spoke openly about studying the Bible. The way he always praised God will be his biggest legacy. That's what I truly admired about Prince.

I'm sorry, but Christianity does NOT recognize JW as a legitimate sect of their religion. Besides that, PROVE he led someone to Christ. Is there anyone online willing to admit that P led them to believe the Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I'll wait.

Um, I'm not here to defend any faith, but when you say "Christianity", which all powerful body are you referring to on this? Christianity is religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus. The JWs unquestionably fall under that definition.

Not all who claim to be Christian are Christian

Undoubtedly, Jesus was a tremendous figure of ancient times, and his deep spiritual teachings found in the New Testament draw millions; but, just because someone says he or she is a Christian, does not mean he is.

Within Christianity are basic, essential doctrines as defined by the Old and New Testaments. The Bible teaches monotheism (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8); that God is a Trinity (Matt. 3:16-17; 2 Cor. 13:14; Jude 20-21); that Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8); that Jesus rose from the dead physically (1 Cor. 15:14; 17); and that salvation is by grace alone through faith (Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 5:4; Rom. 3:20). However, there are those who claim to be Christian yet deny one or more of the essentials of the Christian faith. Such is the case with Mormonism that denies both monotheism and salvation by grace alone. Jehovah's Witnesses deny Jesus' physical resurrection and salvation by grace alone. Roman Catholicism denies salvation by grace alone and adds works of penance, indulgences, and sacraments. Oneness Pentecostal denies the Trinity. There are other such groups, but this article is not intended to cover them all. https://carm.org/what-is-...-christian

leecaldon said:

roxy831 said:

I'm sorry, but Christianity does NOT recognize JW as a legitimate sect of their religion. Besides that, PROVE he led someone to Christ. Is there anyone online willing to admit that P led them to believe the Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I'll wait.

Um, I'm not here to defend any faith, but when you say "Christianity", which all powerful body are you referring to on this? Christianity is religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus. The JWs unquestionably fall under that definition.

roxy831 said:

Bunsterdk said:

roxy831 said:

Not all who claim to be Christian are Christian

Undoubtedly, Jesus was a tremendous figure of ancient times, and his deep spiritual teachings found in the New Testament draw millions; but, just because someone says he or she is a Christian, does not mean he is.

Within Christianity are basic, essential doctrines as defined by the Old and New Testaments. The Bible teaches monotheism (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8); that God is a Trinity (Matt. 3:16-17; 2 Cor. 13:14; Jude 20-21); that Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8); that Jesus rose from the dead physically (1 Cor. 15:14; 17); and that salvation is by grace alone through faith (Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 5:4; Rom. 3:20). However, there are those who claim to be Christian yet deny one or more of the essentials of the Christian faith. Such is the case with Mormonism that denies both monotheism and salvation by grace alone. Jehovah's Witnesses deny Jesus' physical resurrection and salvation by grace alone. Roman Catholicism denies salvation by grace alone and adds works of penance, indulgences, and sacraments. Oneness Pentecostal denies the Trinity. There are other such groups, but this article is not intended to cover them all. https://carm.org/what-is-...-christian

You should really check the facts before you post things like this. JW certainly recognise that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh and that he is the way to salvation for all of us. How you combine monotheism with a trinity I'll leave with you. I'm not engaging in a religious discussion on this forum. That's for P & R and I have better things to do than go there. If anyone wants the truth about jw beliefs, you can find it on jw.org. Or feel free to orgnote me.

Your reading skills are still lacking. You asked, I answered.

roxy831 said:

WE BELIEVE in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

Bunsterdk said:

roxy831 said:

Your reading skills are still lacking. You asked, I answered.

Uhm, no, I never asked. You must have me mixed up with someone else. But even if I had asked, I would still suggest checking your facts before you post. [Edited 8/3/16 10:28am]

Facts have been checked for millia now....Let's leave this type of conversation in Politics and Religion. Thank you in advance.

anangellooksdown said:

My interests of and attractions towards Prince have changed over time. I didn't know him personally but always knew there was a spiritual attraction there. The more I learn about him, the more I believe that behind everything was the most important thing: a deep, humongous, ever expanding love for God. I believe it might be what made him fearless, and able to take so much negativity sometimes from us who didn't all understand. I was listening to "God" (instrumental) just now. It's so beautiful. It just grabs me. As I delve into many many lyrics at this time, I hear God in so much of them. All the sex and incredible music was great, but I wonder sometimes if that was fun and important but the backdrop was really about God. I wonder if Prince felt he had a real job to do while here, something much bigger than what we see on the exterior much of the time. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts on any of this, or if Prince inspired you spiritually in any way...even just to think about that a little bit.

I know Prince converted to JW. But......over the most recent years, especially with Third Eye Girl and all of his later symbols/metaphors, I thought of Prince more of a mystic - in the tantric traditions of eastern spirituality and eastern religions. I enjoyed that about his creative self expression.

1725topp said:

It seems that Prince's spiritual theme/narrative/journey will be a part of his artistic legacy. I like that he was open about his ideas and that he was willing to grow/change as he engaged more information and experiences. As Ali stated, "if I see the world at 50 as I saw it at 30, then I've wasted twenty years." The same seems to be true for Prince. I must add that since his spiritual/religious notions/ideas were somewhat--not completely-similar to mine, they didn't rub me in a negative way as they did others. Yet, rather than agreeing with Prince, I was just glad that, as a maturing human being, he was having the conversation about spiritual/metaphysical journey. Thus, the biggest hypocrisy in regard to Prince's spiritual theme/narrative/journey are most of his fans who like to claim that Prince grew more dogmatic after his conversion to JW. That's just not true at all. Prince was always dogmatic in all of his positions, it's just that after becoming a JW his dogmatism was toward/for something with which those fans disagreed. So the real issue wasn't that Prince was more dogmatic; they just didn't agree with his position. And, it was cool for those fans not to agree with Prince. As I've said, the song "Race," while it has a nice groove and is well intentioned, sounds like the babblings of third grader in regard to understanding the importance of history. Yet, I never said that Prince was more dogmatic in "Race" as in any other song with which I agree with his position, such as "Avalanche." They are just two songs in which Prince is expressing how he feels about racism, both influenced by the information that he has at the time. The same is true of his spiritual narrative arc. Whether it's "Annie Christian," "Anna Stesia," "Gold," "The Love We Make," "The Work," or "1+1+1=3," Prince's passion and dogmatism all seems the same for me. In each case, it is his way or the highway with very little room for middle ground.

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I guess, for me, like others, Prince's releasing of Around the World in a Day and Parade after Purple Rain showed me, as a fan, that, while I could love this dude's genius, his refusal to be anything other than what he wanted to be meant that one day he would create/release something that would be completely anti to my own views. While he never released anything that was anti my particular political or religious views, with Hit and Run: Phase 1, he did release something that was completely opposed to my musical aesthetic tastes. But, unlike so many who took it as a personal affront whenever Prince did something with which they didn't agree or like, I took Hit and Run: Phase 1 as a natural occurrence that even one's favorite artist can create/release art that one does not like. So, I'm just glad that my favorite artist was willing to have the conversation about religious/spiritual notions. As for those who saw Prince as being hypocritical because, as a human being, he was flawed, I can only say that spiritual enlightenment is not a destination, per se, but a journey. So, yes, Prince sued his fans, but he also gave millions to needy people. That's not the action of a hypocrite but the action of a man, striving daily to understand, internalize, and manifest spiritual enlightenment while struggling with his own flaws of ego and selfishness. For those who can't see it that way, I wonder how shiny their lives would be/appeal if they lived in the same fishbowl as any other famous person.

this.Right.Here.

roxy831 said:

1contessa said:

It was my family's legacy that brought me to God. I was brought up learning of God from my family, who always believed. Ever since I became a fan of Prince, when he first arrived on the scene, it seems he always let his faith in God be known, even when he was all about sex ....it was always "Love God" with him. As he got older, I saw that his faith in God got even stronger, and how he no longer wanted to do the things he used to do, in which he probably felt was disrespectful to God or sinful. You see that a lot in people of faith. I loved that he loved God, and I know that God loved him. I believe his spirit is in God's presence in heaven right now, where I hope one day to meet him.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on everything you said. I was raised this way as well, and made to attend church when I was younger.