I have noticed that since Prince's death a lot of people on here seem to be reading way too much into certain pictures etc. and claim for example Prince was ill and knew his death was coming. Or that you could see death in his eyes. People that claim to know that something was wrong with him.

Then there are those who think he was tired of life and actively ended it with opioids. And those who blaim people in his camp (Paisley Park employees, ex-lovers, etc.), saying they didn't care about him (or cared for him) properly. Others blame his family. Etc. Etc. Etc. People often say this with great 'authority', they believe to know Prince so well that they claim to know the truth about the situation, even if it is only 'truth' in their hearts.

Truth (IMO) is that we hardly know anything about Prince, his life and inner circle. And thus I think it is unhealthy and unfair the way some people speculate and blame certain people in the process. Some of the people here seem to be obsessed with Prince and seem to think they have a special relationship with 'their' Prince (false idol). And for example claim that -had it been them caring for Prince- he would not have died (which in my opinion is a delusional fantasy).

I understand people are hurt by his death and in various stages of mourning, which makes people emotional etc. But I am personally pretty astounded and sometimes upset by the wild fantasies, unbased accusations and the judgemental attitude that a quite a few people on here express. Some of the people here are worse than TMZ and other gossip sites.

It would be nice IMO if certain people would reflect on themselves a bit more and try to tone down this behaviour a bit. I am sure a lot of people out of Prince's camp come here regularly, and imagine how it would be to read all this wild speculation and unbased accusations from complete strangers (fans) about people that they actually know and care for in real life.

I believe it is not very respectful or healthy to post stuff like this all over this board. And I hope to see people calm down a bit and tone down a bit. Of course it is good to discuss the loss of Prince as he meant a lot to us as fans. But please try to look at the situation with a bit more distance and please try to avoid wild accusations and disrespectful speculation. Or at least don't bring it with 'authority', like you are actually IN THE KNOW. Fact is almost no one really knows what has happened, except a few close people in his inner circle maybe.

Sorry about this rant, but I feel some on this board could do with a bit more of a healthy perspective. We are just fans, we don't really know Prince, we don't know his friends and inner circle. We don't really know what has happened. We are all upset about Prince's death, but there is no need for wild accusations and disrespectful speculation. All I am asking for is a bit more awareness of your actual relationship with Prince and a bit more respect for those who are in his inner circle.

Peace & Be Wild, folks!

funkaholic1972 said:

I have noticed that since Prince's death a lot of people on here seem to be reading way too much into certain pictures etc. and claim for example Prince was ill and knew his death was coming. Or that you could see death in his eyes. People that claim to know that something was wrong with him.

Then there are those who think he was tired of life and actively ended it with opioids. And those who blaim people in his camp (Paisley Park employees, ex-lovers, etc.), saying they didn't care about him (or cared for him) properly. Others blame his family. Etc. Etc. Etc. People often say this with great 'authority', they believe to know Prince so well that they claim to know the truth about the situation, even if it is only 'truth' in their hearts.

Truth (IMO) is that we hardly know anything about Prince, his life and inner circle. And thus I think it is unhealthy and unfair the way some people speculate and blame certain people in the process. Some of the people here seem to be obsessed with Prince and seem to think they have a special relationship with 'their' Prince (false idol). And for example claim that -had it been them caring for Prince- he would not have died (which in my opinion is a delusional fantasy).

I understand people are hurt by his death and in various stages of mourning, which makes people emotional etc. But I am personally pretty astounded and sometimes upset by the wild fantasies, unbased accusations and the judgemental attitude that a quite a few people on here express. Some of the people here are worse than TMZ and other gossip sites.

It would be nice IMO if certain people would reflect on themselves a bit more and try to tone down this behaviour a bit. I am sure a lot of people out of Prince's camp come here regularly, and imagine how it would be to read all this wild speculation and unbased accusations from complete strangers (fans) about people that they actually know and care for in real life.

I believe it is not very respectful or healthy to post stuff like this all over this board. And I hope to see people calm down a bit and tone down a bit. Of course it is good to discuss the loss of Prince as he meant a lot to us as fans. But please try to look at the situation with a bit more distance and please try to avoid wild accusations and disrespectful speculation. Or at least don't bring it with 'authority', like you are actually IN THE KNOW. Fact is almost no one really knows what has happened, except a few close people in his inner circle maybe.

Sorry about this rant, but I feel some on this board could do with a bit more of a healthy perspective. We are just fans, we don't really know Prince, we don't know his friends and inner circle. We don't really know what has happened. We are all upset about Prince's death, but there is no need for wild accusations and disrespectful speculation. All I am asking for is a bit more awareness of your actual relationship with Prince and a bit more respect for those who are in his inner circle.

Peace & Be Wild, folks!

I tottally agree!

Around February or so I was talking to my Dad about recent events with Prince - the intimate piano shows, the fact he was suddenly writing a book, him grieving Vanity openly in his stage banter, talking and dancing with fans at the Melbourne after party - and expressing puzzlement as to what might be going on in his life for him to be being this open all of a sudden. I suggested maybe he had a new girlfriend who was giving him a new lease on life. My dad said, "Do you think he's dying? That's sure what it sounds like to me." This hadn't occurred to me at all. My dad is not especially a fan and has never particularly kept up with Prince like we have. I think this led him to pick up on something that we were missing. Forest for the trees sort of thing. None of us know the whole story but I just feel like this is worth mentioning.

MrSquiggle said:

Around February or so I was talking to my Dad about recent events with Prince - the intimate piano shows, the fact he was suddenly writing a book, him grieving Vanity openly in his stage banter, talking and dancing with fans at the Melbourne after party - and expressing puzzlement as to what might be going on in his life for him to be being this open all of a sudden. I suggested maybe he had a new girlfriend who was giving him a new lease on life. My dad said, "Do you think he's dying? That's sure what it sounds like to me." This hadn't occurred to me at all. My dad is not especially a fan and has never particularly kept up with Prince like we have. I think this led him to pick up on something that we were missing. Forest for the trees sort of thing. None of us know the whole story but I just feel like this is worth mentioning.

Hmmm yes he was looking for some kind of closure, but it could have been anything. Maybe a new direction? A new found peace? A new person in his life? He certainly had no plans to die because nobody plans to die and nobody accepts to die. He was more settled though and he appeared almost like he wanted to retire but it could be my own reflection because of the Mic shows that are more intimate and less hectic and the announcement of his memoirs. He was getting old though. This man exprienced triple the things in life than any of us. If you would go and live in wildlife for 10 years you'd still not have exprienced what he has his whole life, so technically Prince died at 87 years.

NorthC said:

It's a natural reaction. Prince's death came so suddenly, one moment he was there, the next he was gone. Of course people will start looking for an explanation, a way to make sense of it all. And people don't drop dead just like that, so something must have been wrong. I didn't post on that thread about the last photo (him holding that new guitar) because I didn't have much to say about it, but he didn't look healthy to me. What do we know for a fact? That he was taking some very dangerous pain killers, had an overdose on the airplane, that he knew he was in trouble and looked for help, but it came too late (and that makes it all the more tragic.) That's all. And without any real answers (which we may never get), it's completely understandable that fans on a discussion forum will start discussing it. I agree that it sometimes goes too far and people are reading too much in certain things, such as photos, but this is just what happens. I don't really follow all those discussions, but if that's people's way of dealing with this tragedy, then I'm okay with it.

But why was he taking pain killers?

The fact is Prince was dropping clues that he was dying for some time before he left. When it finally happened, his death was one of those 'mysteries wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a riddle' things and that is unsettling to many.

The facts that have come to light so far, contradict everything fans were told before he died. Inf act they make little sense at all. Though I feel I personally understand and am more at less at peace over it, the conspiracy theorists will hold sway on Prince's passing for some time.

NorthC said:

It's a natural reaction. Prince's death came so suddenly, one moment he was there, the next he was gone. Of course people will start looking for an explanation, a way to make sense of it all. And people don't drop dead just like that, so something must have been wrong. I didn't post on that thread about the last photo (him holding that new guitar) because I didn't have much to say about it, but he didn't look healthy to me. What do we know for a fact? That he was taking some very dangerous pain killers, had an overdose on the airplane, that he knew he was in trouble and looked for help, but it came too late (and that makes it all the more tragic.) That's all. And without any real answers (which we may never get), it's completely understandable that fans on a discussion forum will start discussing it. I agree that it sometimes goes too far and people are reading too much in certain things, such as photos, but this is just what happens. I don't really follow all those discussions, but if that's people's way of dealing with this tragedy, then I'm okay with it.

No, we don't even KNOW that. We know from the ME report that he died from a fentanyl OD. We know the pills were found at PP. We don't know what happened on the plane, on the tarmac or at the hospital and other than the fentanyl pills on the day we don't know which pills he took, how often and when it all started. We know Kornfeld was called (we hear after 9:30pm on 20th but we don't know this) and rushed his son over to Minni - we don't know why.

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It all comes from 'sources', many of them unnamed. 'Sources' haven't always been 100% accurate.

The named sources that describe him complaining of sore throats and stomach pains seem to be disregarded more than these unnamed sources for some reason.

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Some people seem obsessed with the idea of P touring pharmacies trying to fill pain med scripts before time and looking over the last 30 years trying to find evidence of his drug use such as plasters and lollipops.

[Edited 9/3/16 9:55am]

funkaholic1972 said:

I have noticed that since Prince's death a lot of people on here seem to be reading way too much into certain pictures etc. and claim for example Prince was ill and knew his death was coming. Or that you could see death in his eyes. People that claim to know that something was wrong with him.

Then there are those who think he was tired of life and actively ended it with opioids. And those who blaim people in his camp (Paisley Park employees, ex-lovers, etc.), saying they didn't care about him (or cared for him) properly. Others blame his family. Etc. Etc. Etc. People often say this with great 'authority', they believe to know Prince so well that they claim to know the truth about the situation, even if it is only 'truth' in their hearts.

Truth (IMO) is that we hardly know anything about Prince, his life and inner circle. And thus I think it is unhealthy and unfair the way some people speculate and blame certain people in the process. Some of the people here seem to be obsessed with Prince and seem to think they have a special relationship with 'their' Prince (false idol). And for example claim that -had it been them caring for Prince- he would not have died (which in my opinion is a delusional fantasy).

I understand people are hurt by his death and in various stages of mourning, which makes people emotional etc. But I am personally pretty astounded and sometimes upset by the wild fantasies, unbased accusations and the judgemental attitude that a quite a few people on here express. Some of the people here are worse than TMZ and other gossip sites.

It would be nice IMO if certain people would reflect on themselves a bit more and try to tone down this behaviour a bit. I am sure a lot of people out of Prince's camp come here regularly, and imagine how it would be to read all this wild speculation and unbased accusations from complete strangers (fans) about people that they actually know and care for in real life.

I believe it is not very respectful or healthy to post stuff like this all over this board. And I hope to see people calm down a bit and tone down a bit. Of course it is good to discuss the loss of Prince as he meant a lot to us as fans. But please try to look at the situation with a bit more distance and please try to avoid wild accusations and disrespectful speculation. Or at least don't bring it with 'authority', like you are actually IN THE KNOW. Fact is almost no one really knows what has happened, except a few close people in his inner circle maybe.

Sorry about this rant, but I feel some on this board could do with a bit more of a healthy perspective. We are just fans, we don't really know Prince, we don't know his friends and inner circle. We don't really know what has happened. We are all upset about Prince's death, but there is no need for wild accusations and disrespectful speculation. All I am asking for is a bit more awareness of your actual relationship with Prince and a bit more respect for those who are in his inner circle.

Peace & Be Wild, folks!

It seems your words have fallen on deaf ears since the speculation only continues in this thread!!

misstigerlily said:

funksterr said:

The fact is Prince was dropping clues that he was dying for some time before he left. When it finally happened, his death was one of those 'mysteries wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a riddle' things and that is unsettling to many.

The facts that have come to light so far, contradict everything fans were told before he died.

Putting together the facts as we know them keeps exposing cracks in the "story" that's been put out there. This is why people are questioning and will continue to do so. Not everyone believes the story being fed to them, not everyone is a sheeple. And that is perfectly okay to question what the media tells us...wise, even.

If his family or whoever is coming here and doesn't like the speculation? Well, they can always address it and tell us what was really going on...but have chosen not to. So it will continue indefinitely.

OldFriends4Sale said:

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I had a bad premonition prior to Princes death.

My dad had a bleeding ucer about 7 years ago and he quickly dropped weight, U could see the skin just sagging on his bones. He would just fall down out of no where. He didn't know what it was and the doctors misdiagnosed it as a really bad flu. And he was getting worse. They were giving him medication for a flu. My dad also did not tell him he was bleeding out of his rectum(he did not tell anyone that)

He went to one last doctors visit and by the time he got home there was an ambulance waiting for him. The doctor called them and the police warning them if a car was crashed in a certain area is was probably my dad. His blood was so low he should have been dead. And that could have easily been his last day on earth, if someone didn't check things further.

We definately had to get on him about holding back information. He's the type to try to work through everything.

I thought of this when in connection to Prince

OF4S, hugs to you, I am so sorry to hear about your dad's decline. I can't tell for sure, but I hope he is doing well now.

NorthC said:

Right. I've heared that too. "Once it's time for a soul to go, it goes". Bullshit! Go tell that to all the souls who are dying in Syria! Sorry, tigerlily, nothing personal, but this shit just doesn't work. Life is like a candle. A brush of air and you're gone. That's the way it is.

I too apologize, but the first word that came to my mind was "Bullshit!" We know full well that P should be here! He blindsided us with his departure cuz WE HAD NO IDEA!!! I truly believe that's why we (I) are grieving SO HARD because we were made to think one way about his situation, when in fact, P was strugglin' HARD and isolated himself in the hardship! Bullshit! He should still be here! Love yaw'll

NorthC said:

misstigerlily said:

I agree with the above statement. In my opinion sometimes it is just the time God/ Father calls a person home. On April 21, 2016 it was time for God to call Prince home to be with him. None of us like it but when it is our time to be called home or pass. It is our time. There is not anything we can do but accept it. I will forever love, honor and respect Prince. He was/is awesome. But I realize there is nothing I can do to change the past but to accept that it was just Princes time to go. I do not like it but must come to terms with it.

Right. I've heared that too. "Once it's time for a soul to go, it goes". Bullshit! Go tell that to all the souls who are dying in Syria! Sorry, tigerlily, nothing personal, but this shit just doesn't work. Life is like a candle. A brush of air and you're gone. That's the way it is.

I do believe this. While I understand that others have different opinions, my opinion is that I don't think this could have ever had any other outcome, regardless of anything that anyone else did or didn't do. It was time. I believe that when people pass, that it IS their time to go whether we like it or not, whether we think it's okay or not. Whether it is the result of accident, chance, deliberation, the taking of a life whether through suicide or murder....whatever, it doesn't matter in the slightest. The end was meant to happen that way and no one can change that.

funkaholic1972 said:

I have noticed that since Prince's death a lot of people on here seem to be reading way too much into certain pictures etc. and claim for example Prince was ill and knew his death was coming. Or that you could see death in his eyes. People that claim to know that something was wrong with him.

Then there are those who think he was tired of life and actively ended it with opioids. And those who blaim people in his camp (Paisley Park employees, ex-lovers, etc.), saying they didn't care about him (or cared for him) properly. Others blame his family. Etc. Etc. Etc. People often say this with great 'authority', they believe to know Prince so well that they claim to know the truth about the situation, even if it is only 'truth' in their hearts.

Truth (IMO) is that we hardly know anything about Prince, his life and inner circle. And thus I think it is unhealthy and unfair the way some people speculate and blame certain people in the process. Some of the people here seem to be obsessed with Prince and seem to think they have a special relationship with 'their' Prince (false idol). And for example claim that -had it been them caring for Prince- he would not have died (which in my opinion is a delusional fantasy).

I understand people are hurt by his death and in various stages of mourning, which makes people emotional etc. But I am personally pretty astounded and sometimes upset by the wild fantasies, unbased accusations and the judgemental attitude that a quite a few people on here express. Some of the people here are worse than TMZ and other gossip sites.

It would be nice IMO if certain people would reflect on themselves a bit more and try to tone down this behaviour a bit. I am sure a lot of people out of Prince's camp come here regularly, and imagine how it would be to read all this wild speculation and unbased accusations from complete strangers (fans) about people that they actually know and care for in real life.

I believe it is not very respectful or healthy to post stuff like this all over this board. And I hope to see people calm down a bit and tone down a bit. Of course it is good to discuss the loss of Prince as he meant a lot to us as fans. But please try to look at the situation with a bit more distance and please try to avoid wild accusations and disrespectful speculation. Or at least don't bring it with 'authority', like you are actually IN THE KNOW. Fact is almost no one really knows what has happened, except a few close people in his inner circle maybe.

Sorry about this rant, but I feel some on this board could do with a bit more of a healthy perspective. We are just fans, we don't really know Prince, we don't know his friends and inner circle. We don't really know what has happened. We are all upset about Prince's death, but there is no need for wild accusations and disrespectful speculation. All I am asking for is a bit more awareness of your actual relationship with Prince and a bit more respect for those who are in his inner circle.

Peace & Be Wild, folks!

How could you not know that this thread would result in even more harebrained speculation? They all do. There's another thread taking a damned poll on the manner in which he died, FFS!



I aint even posting on that one in hopes that it will sink fast.

I think that most will always question Prince's death because no one knows the real, full truth of how and why he died so suddenly. Sure, everyone knows that drugs were the cause of his death, but it's obvious to everyone, that there was something more going on other than drugs. Maybe if the full and complete autopsy of his death wouldl have been released, then we all may know what was really going on with his health, but obviously it was closed and kept secret, because there is something there that they don't want anyone to know, therefore the questions will go on.

1contessa said:

I think that most will always question Prince's death because no one knows the real, full truth of how and why he died so suddenly. Sure, everyone knows that drugs were the cause of his death, but it's obvious to everyone, that there was something more going on other than drugs. Maybe if the full and complete autopsy of his death wouldl have been released, then we all may know what was really going on with his health, but obviously it was closed and kept secret, because there is something there that they don't want anyone to know, therefore the questions will go on.

just curious...why do so many fans insist that there is "something that they don't want anyone to know"? Why isn't it possible that Prince simply died because he overdosed on pills that he was taking to deal with his chronic pain? It seems like some fans are truly convinced that Prince had a terminal illness.

SoulAlive said:

1contessa said:

I think that most will always question Prince's death because no one knows the real, full truth of how and why he died so suddenly. Sure, everyone knows that drugs were the cause of his death, but it's obvious to everyone, that there was something more going on other than drugs. Maybe if the full and complete autopsy of his death wouldl have been released, then we all may know what was really going on with his health, but obviously it was closed and kept secret, because there is something there that they don't want anyone to know, therefore the questions will go on.

just curious...why do so many fans insist that there is "something that they don't want anyone to know"? Why isn't it possible that Prince simply died because he overdosed on pills that he was taking to deal with his chronic pain? It seems like some fans are truly convinced that Prince had a terminal illness.

Your answer is here: http://prince.org/msg/7/4...&pg=18

ForbiddenFruit said:

NorthC said:

It's a natural reaction. Prince's death came so suddenly, one moment he was there, the next he was gone. Of course people will start looking for an explanation, a way to make sense of it all. And people don't drop dead just like that, so something must have been wrong. I didn't post on that thread about the last photo (him holding that new guitar) because I didn't have much to say about it, but he didn't look healthy to me. What do we know for a fact? That he was taking some very dangerous pain killers, had an overdose on the airplane, that he knew he was in trouble and looked for help, but it came too late (and that makes it all the more tragic.) That's all. And without any real answers (which we may never get), it's completely understandable that fans on a discussion forum will start discussing it. I agree that it sometimes goes too far and people are reading too much in certain things, such as photos, but this is just what happens. I don't really follow all those discussions, but if that's people's way of dealing with this tragedy, then I'm okay with it.

But why was he taking pain killers?

We can't be certain. We know that at some point that he was probably in pain from his hips and possibly his knee. Whether or not he was still in physical pain, we don't know. Apparently, he was getting his pills from some suspect source because if he was getting them from a legitimate doctor/pharmacy, there would not have been fentanyl in them. Hopefully, when the investigation is complete, his family will come forward and reveal the answers.

'Wild speculations about Prince, his health and his death.'

And getting wilder by the minute...

sunset3121 said:

SoulAlive said:

just curious...why do so many fans insist that there is "something that they don't want anyone to know"? Why isn't it possible that Prince simply died because he overdosed on pills that he was taking to deal with his chronic pain? It seems like some fans are truly convinced that Prince had a terminal illness.

Your answer is here: http://prince.org/msg/7/4...&pg=18

Now I don't think that he was still dealing with chronic pain because, if he were, he could have gotten a legitimate prescription for the pain pills.

tmo1965 said:

sunset3121 said:

Your answer is here: http://prince.org/msg/7/4...&pg=18

Now I don't think that he was still dealing with chronic pain because, if he were, he could have gotten a legitimate prescription for the pain pills.

And, if he was in such chronic pain why was he seen riding his bike a few days before his death? That never made sense to me.

Morningstarlet said:

tmo1965 said:

Now I don't think that he was still dealing with chronic pain because, if he were, he could have gotten a legitimate prescription for the pain pills.

And, if he was in such chronic pain why was he seen riding his bike a few days before his death? That never made sense to me.

He wasn't. There's two pics that have been debunked as not true...one is from 2014 and the other clearly wasn't taken during that season. There's another thread detailing this info here: http://prince.org/msg/7/431656 See toward the end of the thread for the pertinent info.

[Edited 9/3/16 16:37pm]

Mumio said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

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I had a bad premonition prior to Princes death.

My dad had a bleeding ucer about 7 years ago and he quickly dropped weight, U could see the skin just sagging on his bones. He would just fall down out of no where. He didn't know what it was and the doctors misdiagnosed it as a really bad flu. And he was getting worse. They were giving him medication for a flu. My dad also did not tell him he was bleeding out of his rectum(he did not tell anyone that)

He went to one last doctors visit and by the time he got home there was an ambulance waiting for him. The doctor called them and the police warning them if a car was crashed in a certain area is was probably my dad. His blood was so low he should have been dead. And that could have easily been his last day on earth, if someone didn't check things further.

We definately had to get on him about holding back information. He's the type to try to work through everything.

I thought of this when in connection to Prince

OF4S, hugs to you, I am so sorry to hear about your dad's decline. I can't tell for sure, but I hope he is doing well now.

Same here--I hope your Dad recovered and is in better health.

tmo1965 said:

sunset3121 said:

Your answer is here: http://prince.org/msg/7/4...&pg=18

Now I don't think that he was still dealing with chronic pain because, if he were, he could have gotten a legitimate prescription for the pain pills.

Drs can't tell if you have pain or not. With an old injury, sometimes the pain persists, sometimes it goes away - it is really hard for a Dr to tell. He could have easily told a story of pain to get pain pills. We know Kornfeld immediately had his son illegaly rush over with opiates when P's friends called that night - with that as an example of how Drs responded to P, and bearing in mind he had residences in different countries, I think it would have been easy for him to get a legit source of painkillers from somewhere if he had tried.

SoulAlive said:

1contessa said:

I think that most will always question Prince's death because no one knows the real, full truth of how and why he died so suddenly. Sure, everyone knows that drugs were the cause of his death, but it's obvious to everyone, that there was something more going on other than drugs. Maybe if the full and complete autopsy of his death wouldl have been released, then we all may know what was really going on with his health, but obviously it was closed and kept secret, because there is something there that they don't want anyone to know, therefore the questions will go on.

just curious...why do so many fans insist that there is "something that they don't want anyone to know"? Why isn't it possible that Prince simply died because he overdosed on pills that he was taking to deal with his chronic pain? It seems like some fans are truly convinced that Prince had a terminal illness.

Why make the autopsy secret and close it to the public? They've released lots of celebrities autopies to the public, some I've actually read. If you're not trying to hide something, then why keep it secret? The person is dead, so what's to hide? Releasing only the immediate cause of death, and keeping the rest hidden, only fuels supicion and looks as though you're trying to hide something, and personally, I think they are.