luvsexy4all said:

endiadj said:

you think prince leaked, if so, which ones? he certainly won't be leaking any now. what's funny is since his passing so many good stories about him have come out, charity work, great stories from colleagues, etc. many of the bad stories were told while he was still alive.

the troy beyer thing ...

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luvsexy4all said:

endiadj said:

you think prince leaked, if so, which ones? he certainly won't be leaking any now. what's funny is since his passing so many good stories about him have come out, charity work, great stories from colleagues, etc. many of the bad stories were told while he was still alive.

the troy beyer thing ...

[Edited 7/13/16 19:32pm]

CharismaDove said:

luvsexy4all said:

endiadj said:

you think prince leaked, if so, which ones? he certainly won't be leaking any now. what's funny is since his passing so many good stories about him have come out, charity work, great stories from colleagues, etc. many of the bad stories were told while he was still alive.

the troy beyer thing ...

them dating? baby? prince usually, supposedly, wrote songs about his women not talk to the press about them. lol

endiadj said:

Blakbear said:

Funny thing is, I'm with him on this. All I deserve to get is the cd or the concert. His business is his business, you know? Paying for that cd, that ticket, that movie doesn't grant me access to anything but the cd, concert, or movie. It's true -- demanding to know more than that really is intrusive, and it doesn't matter if they're a celebrity or not. I guess I've always found it slightly creepy to go digging past the public persona they choose to share. I mean, I sort of get wanting to know more, but I mostly don't. Why do people want to know more than a person is willing to share? It's so foreign to me to want to know that much more about them.

ITA! And I hate when people say about a celebs loss of privacy "it comes with the territory." It shouldn't. Just cause someone is a celeb doesn't mean they should be devoid of their privacy, especially when it comes to their kids, family, their medical situations, etc. What they choose to share with us is all that should be shared with us. And if one celeb is very media friendly doesn't mean we should expect them all to be the same way.

This! Don't get me wrong, I love the man as a musician, and have always been very curious about everything pertaining to his music, but the rest of it? Nope. There are just some things that I don't need to know.

Admittedly, a lot of my attitude stems from hating it when people try to get all up in my personals without an invitation. I mean, if I, a non-celeb, hate it -- how much more miserable must it be to have thousands of complete strangers trying to rummage in your whole life?

It's so cringeworthy and uncomfortable.

nursev said:

luvsexy4all said:

at least SOME people will realize u wont be able to believe most of what will be said

True, but how will you deal with it when it is finally out there? I mean Prince is gone now but will it change your admiration for him?

What will finally be out there? The thing about Prince is that even his so-called close confidants were stunned by his death and addiction. I feel we will never know anything; the OP has a very good point.

nursev said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

BillieBalloon said:

Regarding his anti drugs stance. This for me has been problematic too. I've thought about it and I can only conclude that in Prince's mind prescription painkillers, whether you are addicted or not, are not drugs in the sense Heroin, Crack and Cocaine are. I think because pain pills legally available with a prescription Prince did not view himself as a drug user, certainly not in the traditional sense we think of as anyway. I think he was probably in denial about his drug dependency and although he was seeking help at the end it was too little too late. I think many people addicted to pain pills wouldn't dream of taking a drug like Heroin even though some opioids have the same effect. Fentanyl is 50 or so times stronger than heroin, but the difference is that Fentanyl is not illegal if obtained through a doctor. So to those ends I think Prince could carry on promoting his anti drugs stance even though he was taking prescription drugs.

I kinda understand where you're coming from, BillieBalloon, but the physician that "prescribed" the Fentanyl has NOT been identified. We don't know where he got the stuff from, so therefore, that argument cannot stand imo...

LBrent said:

Blakbear said:

Everyone deserves a level of downtime and privacy. Everyone deserves time to not be 'on', to be able to relax and not entertain the masses. And fans sometimes forgot that celebs are human beings, not inanimate objects, there for the sole purpose of our amusement.

How do we reconcile that sentiment with Prince specifically -- now that he's dead? "Downtime" and even privacy don't really apply to a dead person, as least not in the way they apply to the living. I think the relationship to a celebrity (or any person) changes when that person is dead.

disch said:

Blakbear said:

LBrent said:

As flawed as he was, I loved the music but it was the man himself who fascinated me. I know I'm not entitled to anything else but the music, but that doesn't mean I'm not nosey as hell. I am. I love the little tidbits about him. I'm not sure why, I just do. Listening to a certain song or video is great, but hearing that when he was making that song or video they all took a break at 3am after working all weekend, everyone was hungry and the whole crew piled into his aunt's station wagon to travel 3 hours away for potato salad at his favorite BBQ place and they picked up a hitchhiker who turned out to be a fan who hung out with them for a few days and years later became a journalist who interviewed him for Vogue, makes the music or video more fun for me. So? (That isn't a real story that I heard about him, it's just a story I made up as an example. Sheesh!) [Edited 7/13/16 20:06pm]

I feel the same way. Love to hear stories like that. He was a fascinating guy whether or not you liked him or his music. So what if we truly find out that he was just a perverted asshole when he was younger and slightly less of a perverted asshole before he died. I have always been curious about his fucked up family life and how it affected him as he got older and became an international superstar. It's a wonder he wasn't more fucked up and didn't die sooner. I don't really care if more information comes out or not, but so far, what has come out has been pretty interesting. It's hard on this website though because of all the newbies on here and stories - they dissapear after a day or two sometimes.

He was a private person but the minute he found religion and started preaching to everyone and when he put it out there about drugs, cursing, etc....he left the door open for speculation and questions. Can't have it both ways. He chose to forgo his privacy imo.

CharismaDove said:

I don't give a flying shit anymore about Prince's personal life. Yeah I know it sounds harsh and I don't mean to be disrespectful to the deceased, but even bothering to get into his personal life is frustrating, mostly based on speculation, and overall pointless because we get so few answers. These feelings first arose when he passed — I always believed Prince's anti drug stance and I remember a time when some P fans used to make fun of MJ for overdosing (lol). I always believed Prince was in the right and that, even though he had demons like us all, his life was all music and he'd go on for another few decades. His sudden drug-related death made me realize I actually didn't know jack shit about Prince in the first place. He closed himself off personally from us in life, and now it's time we throw in the towel and admit we know very little of his life. I find it ironic how fans rush to defend Prince on things like his sexuality, rumors about him, and such. My question is how do you know and why even bother? This time last year we would have laughed someone out of the room if they so much as implied Prince was into drugs. At this point if Prince turned out to have been a Satanic homosexual in life (aka the opposite of the religious womanizer he portrayed, for anyone who took that wrong), I honestly wouldn't be surprised because I've confirmed to myself and accepted that the guy kept his life totally secret. We honestly don't really know him. We just know his career. I mean for fucks sake half of the people he dealt with called him a dick and the other half love him. He himself contradicted himself countless times. I'm not trying to say Prince was a bad person. He had a profound effect on millions and certainly did good deeds in his life... But let's stop acting like we knew him. It's pointless to defend someone who, unknown to us, could actually be guilty of what acquaintances claim about him. I guess what I'm trying to say is — I'm done defending and speculating about this guy because it just leads to frustration and no solid answers in the end. Vanity or Mayte? Idk, let's make a 200 page thread that doesn't confirm anything. The most recent example is the autopsy report - talk about the most limited info available lol. We knew Prince overdosed since April, all we learned was the name of the drug. While most celebs' fans get the full report, we're gonna be here a year later still speculating if he was on meds for pain or not, how long he was on it, what fully happened that night etc. EVERYTHING about Prince is mysterious. So why even bother getting into his life if you'll never get a solid answer for anything? Personally, I felt better when I stopped caring about Prince's life and death and instead focused on the music. That's the only thing we can be sure of. May Prince RIP. I'm hoping for an intelligent mature discussion.

I was hoping to engage in some interesting and fruitful conversations regarding his music and the vast contributions and changes he's made to the industry by his example - and the hits he took for it. While I understand that everyone on here is going through a grieving process (in their own way and in their own time), like you, I find the endless speculation frustrating. I also understand it's a natural process of grief - the search for an answer, any answer, that will finally make it OK. I find, in my own processing, that it is much more satisfying to listen to his music, dance, enjoy the gift and admire the man who took on the industry and won. His message seemed to be "Love one another. I know it looks hopeless, but have faith. It'll all turn out good." That's how real change takes place.

CROWNS1 said:

He was a private person but the minute he found religion and started preaching to everyone and when he put it out there about drugs, cursing, etc....he left the door open for speculation and questions. Can't have it both ways. He chose to forgo his privacy imo.

You can speculate and question all you want. Doesn't mean you have a right to know every aspect of his private life. You didn't have to buy his music, listen to/read his interviews, go to his shows, but some did and what he put out is all you should expect from him. Just cause he talked about his religion doesn't mean I have a right to know his medical history or what prescriptions he had in his medicine cabinet or if he had any kids he hide from the world. That info is not and should never be up for grabs.

You guys ALL make good points.I'm up and down on my feelings day to day.1.I pity him and feel extra sad of the way he died ALL ALONE.2.But,then im mad at him at times for not getting REAL help.He was around since the 70's.He read alot and kept up on everything.He helped others but,not himself.Told whitney get clean then come to my concert.People on here said they're addicted or were.When a reg person gets hooked or addicted they dont have the means to get clean through a betty ford or a promises.Also my mistake along with others was believing he was living clean sorta speaking.But,thats kind of on us i guess.Then almost dying a week before according to judy hill.Then you fought to come back.(if true)just to die in a fn elevator Prince had the world at his fingers.Young looking,Beyond talented,Beautiful,Loved by the world over.Standing O everywhere you went.Everyone said he took pills because of the pain.Does anyone know if he ever did rehab for his knee,hip and leg?The pills prob did make him feel good at first but,then you need more and more and more.And thats when the prob begins.We tell our clients Everyone wants that fame and fortune some sell their souls to the devil for it.Not saying prince.But,once they get what they wanted many get bored,sad,depressed,angry.Prince got fame at an extrem young age.And sometimes celebs cant deal with the downslide.They dont get as much love as they once did from the label.They take that to heart.People would say prince is back and prince would say i never left.(hasbeen) is a harsh saying in this biz.His whole life was one thing HIS ART.That in itself will drive you crazy.Did he ever go on hiatus?Anyway,it should give us all comfort to know that he knew his FAM loved him and just like FAM we get mad at times but,we love him.....jmho

endiadj said:

CROWNS1 said:

He was a private person but the minute he found religion and started preaching to everyone and when he put it out there about drugs, cursing, etc....he left the door open for speculation and questions. Can't have it both ways. He chose to forgo his privacy imo.

Crowns1, since everyone is giving their opinions, here's mine: I think you can feel HOWEVER you want to feel about it. Those who insistently keep throwing the "none of your business" line into the conversation should stop and STOP injecting themselves into conversations that they don't agree with rather than passing judgement every.single.time. We all handle grief differently and others should not be guilting people for expressing how they feel/what they think. Prince.org would definitely be the place to come to to express yourself, that's what the site is here for.

LBrent said:

Blakbear said:

LBrent said:

I feel you. That's part of the reason that for me, seeking out going to PP was never an option when he was alive. That would've been way too much for my nosey disposition. Given the opportunity, I might have ended up rummaging through his kitchen or bathroom cabinets. I might if they open PP as a museum, don't be surprised if I get caught being nosey. SECURITY! [Edited 7/14/16 9:31am]

Lol I might have wanted to play a guitar or mess with the pianos. Put me near an instrument and my hands get real itchy, like, MUST PLAY.

You're a real musician then Because thats the feeling many get.Its in you.

destinyc1 said:

LBrent said:

Blakbear said:

I think the distinction lies in whether you go looking for all the tiny tidbits as though you're entitled to the information or not. Sure, I agree that hearing the little stories are fun; you know, that time Prince got caught being normal. But when I see fans up on their hind legs DEMANDING things they have no right to, it's annoying. Who are these people, thinking they own a man to expect to be in on every aspect of a man's life? Everyone deserves a level of downtime and privacy. Everyone deserves time to not be 'on', to be able to relax and not entertain the masses. And fans sometimes forgot that celebs are human beings, not inanimate objects, there for the sole purpose of our amusement. Not saying you, LBrent, do this, but I see this happening a lot. I mean, look at the dust up that happened when Justin Bieber told his fans to stop badgering him for pics every time he left his house. Like, how dare he ask for a little space, respect, and consideration! I don't even like the kid, and I applauded him for standing up for the right to be left the hell alone sometimes. I mean, come on, the boy should be able to see the outside world without canera flashes every single second.

I feel you. That's part of the reason that for me, seeking out going to PP was never an option when he was alive. That would've been way too much for my nosey disposition. Given the opportunity, I might have ended up rummaging through his kitchen or bathroom cabinets. I might if they open PP as a museum, don't be surprised if I get caught being nosey. SECURITY! [Edited 7/14/16 9:31am]

as long as you don't go through his drawers!

justAmeda said:

CROWNS1 said: