Bunsterdk said:

Blakbear said:

Yeah, maybe. OTOH, maybe if had gotten out of fantasy land and into a world with other people, he might have had a better idea of WHY this kind of comment is simply not going to be acceptable. Good intentions are great, but it doesn't erase the outcome of what is essentially a very, VERY inflammatory statement from the standpoint of a woman for whome these kinds of things are seen as restrictive at best and downright terrifying at worst.

Burquas -- and the rules that go with it -- are why I won't visit places where they are expected. There's nothing freeing or comforting about them to me. No amount of explanation can get me to even consider it.

Don't get me wrong. I believe I understand what he meant, and that he didn't really find it okay to force women to wear burqas, but there is no question that this is a completely unacceptable comment to make.

He was indeed living in Prince world too long. But I genuinely believe that he meant well and had the best intentions. Things just didn't always come out as clever as they sounded in his head.
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Blakbear said:

Bunsterdk said:

Don't get me wrong. I believe I understand what he meant, and that he didn't really find it okay to force women to wear burqas, but there is no question that this is a completely unacceptable comment to make.

He was indeed living in Prince world too long. But I genuinely believe that he meant well and had the best intentions. Things just didn't always come out as clever as they sounded in his head.
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Oh, i'm fairly certain he didn't /intend/ to sound like he was advocating burquas and the enslavement of women, yet putting that sentiment out there is a NOOOPE, find other words to me.I don't know how else he'd like me to interpret that statement. You can have peace and order without muffling half the population in cloth and cages.

morningsong said:

I think he said to stir the pot. To be controversial. What could he say in today's world that would make people gasp.

Bunsterdk said:

morningsong said:

I think he said to stir the pot. To be controversial. What could he say in today's world that would make people gasp.

Hmmmm.. I could actually see him with a huge bowl of popcorn and a side order of pancakes watching the Org discuss what he meant. LOL

This is still the same man that walked around in bikini underwear. And he has mentioned pushing the envelope before.

I just think he said something that would make people of today clutch their pearls.

Could be wrong. He probably wasn't thinking about what he was saying.

Blakbear said:

PurpleBabied said:

I think this is just part and parcel of his idea that if only he and his parents fit into this orderly box from the jump that he would have been perfectly happy and nothing bad would have happened. He either didn't think about it too deeply or has thought about it way too vividly in his fantasy mode.

Yeah, maybe. OTOH, maybe if had gotten out of fantasy land and into a world with other people, he might have had a better idea of WHY this kind of comment is simply not going to be acceptable. Good intentions are great, but it doesn't erase the outcome of what is essentially a very, VERY inflammatory statement from the standpoint of a woman for whome these kinds of things are seen as restrictive at best and downright terrifying at worst. Burquas -- and the rules that go with it -- are why I won't visit places where they are expected. There's nothing freeing or comforting about them to me. No amount of explanation can get me to even consider it.

When I say he probably didn't think about it too deeply I meant two things. Firstly, although he may have toured several middle eastern countries he never spent a significant amount of time there. He probably didn't know or remember that a lot of the same people who mandated burqas (and niquabs) also often found music to be sinful and worthy of punishment. He thinks Footloose is terrible? LMAO.

Secondly, I'm not sure how he would have even survived and thrived in any other time and place than this with the particular persona he chose to adopt even after he converted. "Languorous, almost mystical sensuality coupled with a vaguely enticing yet somehow undeniably heterosexual androgyny" (h/t Tom & Lorenzo) scares the pants off fundamentalists.

When I say he thought about it too vividly, just listen to "If I had a harem". He was very comfortable with the idea of being with multiple women while each woman was just with him. I don't think he really did monogamy or even serial monogamy well.

The part in the interview where he states...

"Purple Rain was 100 shows, and around the 75th, I went crazy," he says, "and here's why. They didn't want to see anything but the movie. If you didn't play every song, you were in trouble. After 75 you don't know where you are – somebody had to drag me to the stage. I'm not going! Yes you are! It was bloody back then. I won't say why but there was blood on me."

Makes me wonder if the pic of him and Morris Day stems from the time Prince went crazy because

I am remembering a black and white photo of him and Morris Day on Morris' facebook and Morris is holding his hand to his mouth and his hand lappears to be covered in blood...Morris posted it with the caption saying something long the lines of ... "Prince says Come on Morris, I didn't hit ya that hard!"

justAmeda said:

Makes me wonder if the pic of him and Morris Day stems from the time Prince went crazy because

I am remembering a black and white photo of him and Morris Day on Morris' facebook and Morris is holding his hand to his mouth and his hand lappears to be covered in blood...Morris posted it with the caption saying something long the lines of ... "Prince says Come on Morris, I didn't hit ya that hard!"

that pic was from the 1999 tour. morris had left the time and the entire prince camp by the time of the PR tour. there was l ot of fighting,sometimes physical, on that tour, so the caption might still be relevant, but the timeline does not match ther PR tour.

justAmeda said:

I remember hearing back then that prince said he thinks women should wear headscarfs, at the time I thought it was a controversial cheap shot n felt disapponted. Reading it now in context I see there was nothing offensive there. He was not a politician, he should have had the liberty to make breezy comments. It's unfortunate that these comments were misconstrued, for newspapers to have something to say.

morningsong said:

justAmeda said:

The part in the interview where he states...

"Purple Rain was 100 shows, and around the 75th, I went crazy," he says, "and here's why. They didn't want to see anything but the movie. If you didn't play every song, you were in trouble. After 75 you don't know where you are – somebody had to drag me to the stage. I'm not going! Yes you are! It was bloody back then. I won't say why but there was blood on me."

Makes me wonder if the pic of him and Morris Day stems from the time Prince went crazy because

I am remembering a black and white photo of him and Morris Day on Morris' facebook and Morris is holding his hand to his mouth and his hand lappears to be covered in blood...Morris posted it with the caption saying something long the lines of ... "Prince says Come on Morris, I didn't hit ya that hard!"

Those heels ended up in the wrong place?

I bet underneath Prince's laid back coolness, he could have a temper from hades! I just always got the vibe that he may be small and petite but there could be a mean and nasty side of him if you crossed him

justAmeda said:

Bunsterdk said:

justAmeda said:

I bet underneath Prince's laid back coolness, he could have a temper from hades! I just always got the vibe that he may be small and petite but there could be a mean and nasty side of him if you crossed him

He said something along these lines in an interview when asked about this: "I can go there.."

One of his later managers said that when he told Prince to stop treating his staff so badly (apparently, P had told one of them that she should be working at Walmart, which made her cry) Prince leapt at him and the two had a wrestling match!

Dibblekins said:

Bunsterdk said:

justAmeda said: He said something along these lines in an interview when asked about this: "I can go there.."

One of his later managers said that when he told Prince to stop treating his staff so badly (apparently, P had told one of them that she should be working at Walmart, which made her cry) Prince leapt at him and the two had a wrestling match!

WOW! little guy did have a short fuse huh! (not making short jokes HONEST!) part of me wants to giggle at the thought of him leaping and wrestling the dude to the ground but the other part of me is and grabs the couch and popcorn and pray Prince didn't hurt him to badly!

Wendy said some great stuff in some interviews about who Prince really is, and how he got along with the ones around him, the ones he loved even.

She nailed it right there.

And funny enough, she had to say those well known lines in that backstage scene in the Purple Rain movie, long before even being aware of what might become of it all. :-/

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It's all too ltittle and too late now.

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I do hope he sat on a stoop once in while, watching the cars go by...

...an honest and beautiful very personal Prince, we rarely got to hear in a song (imho).

wavesofbliss said:

justAmeda said:

Makes me wonder if the pic of him and Morris Day stems from the time Prince went crazy because

I am remembering a black and white photo of him and Morris Day on Morris' facebook and Morris is holding his hand to his mouth and his hand lappears to be covered in blood...Morris posted it with the caption saying something long the lines of ... "Prince says Come on Morris, I didn't hit ya that hard!"

that pic was from the 1999 tour. morris had left the time and the entire prince camp by the time of the PR tour. there was l ot of fighting,sometimes physical, on that tour, so the caption might still be relevant, but the timeline does not match ther PR tour.

There's another interview where P says he was bleeding from one of the guitar techs being clumsy while putting a guitar on him during a PR concert. He also said he had to be dragged onto the stage by the end of the tour because the set list, etc. was so restrictive. And he was bored. No surprise.

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I had to learn what authority was.

That’s what the Bible teaches.

The Bible is a study guide for social interaction.”

He puts it another way.

“If I go to a place where I don’t feel stressed and there’s no car alarms and airplanes overhead, then you understand what noise pollution is.

Noise is a society that has no God, that has no glue.

We can’t do what we want to do all the time.

If you don’t have boundaries, what then?”

Sometimes he seems a little too fond of boundaries.

“It’s fun being in Islamic countries, to know there’s only one religion.

There’s order.

You wear a burqa.

There’s no choice.

People are happy with that.”

But what about women who are unhappy about having to wearing burqas?

“There are people who are unhappy with everything,” he says shruggingly.

“There’s a dark side to everything.”

Noting my unconvinced expression, he tries to clarify, but gives up with a sigh.

“I don’t want to get up on a soapbox.

My view of the world, you can debate that for ever.

But I’m a musician.

That’s what I do.

And I also am music.

Come to the show for that.”

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I am sorry that I cannot finish my post at this time.

Having too many technical difficulties

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CROWNS1 said:

laytonian said:

CROWNS1 said:

The Burqa thing is why he didn't like doing interviews. I don't think Prince always conveyed his messages the way he wanted to. What he said and what he meant weren't always the same, and then he would think the press was twisting his words.

I get what he meant about the Burqas. Had nothing to do with women.

He went to Qatar, where everyone is wealthy and beautiful. He was exposed at a very high, controlled level. Now if he'd been in Afghanistan, maybe he'd have seen it differently. Pure did he out on a burqa himself and enjoy hiding?

I could so see him wearing a Burqa at an awards show or to hide form fans and papparazzi after a show! He'd remind me of one of the Pacman ghosts with it on though!

justAmeda said:

I could so see him wearing a Burqa at an awards show or to hide form fans and papparazzi after a show! He'd remind me of one of the Pacman ghosts with it on though!

CROWNS1 said:

The Burqa thing is why he didn't like doing interviews. I don't think Prince always conveyed his messages the way he wanted to. What he said and what he meant weren't always the same, and then he would think the press was twisting his words.

I get what he meant about the Burqas. Had nothing to do with women.

Right? It's just like that gay marriage comment he made in that one interview and then later was "misquoted" by press making him come off as anti-gay?

I could understand why he doesn't want tape recorders in interviews..

joeycocopuffs said:

CROWNS1 said:

The Burqa thing is why he didn't like doing interviews. I don't think Prince always conveyed his messages the way he wanted to. What he said and what he meant weren't always the same, and then he would think the press was twisting his words.

I get what he meant about the Burqas. Had nothing to do with women.

Right? It's just like that gay marriage comment he made in that one interview and then later was "misquoted" by press making him come off as anti-gay?

I could understand why he doesn't want tape recorders in interviews..

I'm gay, and i certainly didn't like my hero's comment for that matter.

I even felt very sad for my hero Prince stating wrong and unthoughtful comments.

I remember serously doubting to leave Prince behind...

I didn't. His music is what i like. The guy himself fucked it up somehow (back there and then).

But everyone should get new oportunities and possibilities.

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Anyway.

Once you know and have chosen to become a public figure, a big star even, you KNOW that you will get heavy press involvement in your life and beyond.

And you should be aware of what you say and even think. Or it might come back to you like a boomerang.

Again. Many well known people have pr-training, interview training, etc... Of course, Prince wasn't interested in that.

And honeslty everyone, from Madonna via Paul McCartney through even Foo Fighters, via Rihanna, Gaga, Beyoncé and beyond... every one of them are trained to know what to say and do. Basically all of them are also being guided by their manager for that matter.

Remember Cavallo Rufallo and Fargnoli ? Alan Leeds ? And all the other ones that came after them ?

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In the very beginning he decided to not give interviews. Which was IMHO the best to do.

It also created the mysteriousness of being Prince. Which was absolutely fun for all of us.

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I personaly regret the fact that he started to do (more often) interviews somewhere in the nieneties.

His interviews honestly in the second half of the nineties were far from interesting - I think personaly.

Loads of bible blah-blah. Even in some of his lyrics back then he kind of blew it (for me).

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I always wished for him to choose and go back to being mysterious and not do interviews anymore...

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Prince 1.0 was horny, mysterious and fun.

Prince 2.0 was a big star and mysterious and fun.

Prince 3.0 lost it a bit but remained fun.

Then, Prince 4.0 seriouly lost my attention span. :-/

(This is the way I orgainise my Prince music on my computer. )

Vannormal said:

joeycocopuffs said:

Right? It's just like that gay marriage comment he made in that one interview and then later was "misquoted" by press making him come off as anti-gay?

I could understand why he doesn't want tape recorders in interviews..

I'm gay, and i certainly didn't like my hero's comment for that matter.

I even felt very sad for my hero Prince stating wrong and unthoughtful comments.

I remember serously doubting to leave Prince behind...

I didn't. His music is what i like. The guy himself fucked it up somehow (back there and then).

But everyone should get new oportunities and possibilities.

-

Anyway.

Once you know and have chosen to become a public figure, a big star even, you KNOW that you will get heavy press involvement in your life and beyond.

And you should be aware of what you say and even think. Or it might come back to you like a boomerang.

Again. Many well known people have pr-training, interview training, etc... Of course, Prince wasn't interested in that.

And honeslty everyone, from Madonna via Paul McCartney through even Foo Fighters, via Rihanna, Gaga, Beyoncé and beyond... every one of them are trained to know what to say and do. Basically all of them are also being guided by their manager for that matter.

Remember Cavallo Rufallo and Fargnoli ? Alan Leeds ? And all the other ones that came after them ?

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In the very beginning he decided to not give interviews. Which was IMHO the best to do.

It also created the mysteriousness of being Prince. Which was absolutely fun for all of us.

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I personaly regret the fact that he started to do (more often) interviews somewhere in the nieneties.

His interviews honestly in the second half of the nineties were far from interesting - I think personaly.

Loads of bible blah-blah. Even in some of his lyrics back then he kind of blew it (for me).

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I always wished for him to choose and go back to being mysterious and not do interviews anymore...

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Prince 1.0 was horny, mysterious and fun.

Prince 2.0 was a big star and mysterious and fun.

Prince 3.0 lost it a bit but remained fun.

Then, Prince 4.0 seriouly lost my attention span. :-/

(This is the way I orgainise my Prince music on my computer. )

Yeah, I don't really like his comment either which left me being a bit disappointed as a queer person myself (and i really hope the whole W&L denouncing their homosexuality isn't true, god i hope not...), i think him being religious yeah i see what he was going through tough times since the mid-late nineties; seeking god is good and all but damn dude don't go around tellin' ppl to change for who they love for the sake of JW. I just basically ignore his religious views and focus on his music.

I'd take mysterious & fun prince over religious prince anytime. :p

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