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Reply #60 posted 06/30/16 9:00pm

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I love your suggestions - although it sounds costly...and for that money, I could possibly wait the long-term and pick up a Schecter/NPG which will retain it's value better than a off-piste replica -possibly?

Otherwise, maybe there are better Luthiers than rareelectric if I start going into $$$$ - Is that a fair statement TXfan?

So - as it is wall art - I am more interested in it looking authentic in detail, with good wood material and very importantly with a proper paint job, rather than the "equipment" so to speak

So, if a set-neck is cheaper (but looks the same as a thru-neck - sold...the size would be better being correct, the angle of the plate - correct...if I can get a durable quality looking plate that won't tarnish, playability not important - then great! etc...)

All about the aesthetics with quality material - because once it's up...it is the only display of Prince in my living room...

I have a Paisley tambourine (stage used from 86) in my bedroom and 3121 & symbol 93 in the halls...together with the "Sign O Times" framed lyrics poster in the bathroom - the guitar is my ONLY display....without looking like a complete Prince nut!!!!! lol

Over the years, some of the stories on the NPG store clouds - the paint job was pretty poor - naughty Prince!!!

Spades - 100% correct...definitely there are pictures that clearly show spade fret markings...In fact, I think it is the same guitar that was then used for the batman markings - if memory serves correct, could be wrong tho.

Again - I do have some pretty decent pictures showing these - although to be honest, finding those will be far harder than the dvd ...so lets not hold our breath wink
I guess you could always enquire about what the price increase would be for neck-through and maple; might not be that big a jump. As for getting the other details included, it occurs to me that either they'd want to charge you more or will be glad for your advice in improving their product. Way I see it, the more accurate they can make these things, the more they'll sell. Looking at how well TXfan's commission has turned out, these seem like a real bargain to me. Imagine how incredibly cool they'd be with a few little tweaks in production though, most of which - pickup placement, top carve - wouldn't present any extra effort or cost at all once they updated whatever pattern they're using. Only the correct neck pickup routing would increase labour time to any extent if the change was instituted, but personally I'd be happy to pay a little more over all for that detail to be right...


Cool - so out of interest...

I was looking at central before Prince passed and was seeing a couple of Luthiers doing some great work - all a bit quite at the moment tho!

But they were looking at $1500min-$2000+ for clouds

Albeit they were more for musicians - but as a base price...what would be the difference between electricguitars and what they are offering?

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Reply #61 posted 06/30/16 9:31pm

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I tried to get all maple construction but they didn't offer it for the cloud.
I did pay $70 extra for neck thru construction.
I wouldn't mind doing this again if I had correct drawings and if they ( rare electric) would follow them. I then would like to swap out the PU's and hardware myself. That would be the best for me. Maybe we could do a group buy and get a discount?
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Reply #62 posted 06/30/16 10:15pm

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Cool - so out of interest...

I was looking at central before Prince passed and was seeing a couple of Luthiers doing some great work - all a bit quite at the moment tho!

But they were looking at $1500min-$2000+ for clouds

Albeit they were more for musicians - but as a base price...what would be the difference between electricguitars and what they are offering?

Thanks

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Prices have gone up for these things since April. There is a guy, Jesse Blue who makes a good looking replica. His version has closer dimensions/proportions to the original. The only thing I'm not sure of is his finishes. He likes to use stains on some of his variations but I've never seen a regular painted cloud he's made. His prices for a good replica with quality hardware/electrics is about $3k
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Reply #63 posted 06/30/16 10:26pm

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TXfan said:

I tried to get all maple construction but they didn't offer it for the cloud.
I did pay $70 extra for neck thru construction.
I wouldn't mind doing this again if I had correct drawings and if they ( rare electric) would follow them. I then would like to swap out the PU's and hardware myself. That would be the best for me. Maybe we could do a group buy and get a discount?

Perhaps if we were to approach the company as a group they may take us more seriously about any ideas we have to improve their product...
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Reply #64 posted 07/01/16 12:33am

kidmelody2012

get model c guitar

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Reply #65 posted 07/01/16 12:36am

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Has anyone had a symbol guitar made?

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Reply #66 posted 07/01/16 1:02am

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kidmelody2012 said:

get model c guitar

Don't know if they sell those...but if they do...go for it - and let us know!

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Reply #67 posted 07/01/16 6:31am

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mrfog said:

TXfan said:

I tried to get all maple construction but they didn't offer it for the cloud.
I did pay $70 extra for neck thru construction.
I wouldn't mind doing this again if I had correct drawings and if they ( rare electric) would follow them. I then would like to swap out the PU's and hardware myself. That would be the best for me. Maybe we could do a group buy and get a discount?

Perhaps if we were to approach the company as a group they may take us more seriously about any ideas we have to improve their product...

Great idea! The orgs very own mass drop wink
I'd totally like to get in on this group buy since you both are so knowledgable and really could help this company create the ultimate replica
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Reply #68 posted 07/01/16 6:36am

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That Cloud is beautiful. Too nice to be put in a glass case..It definetly needs to be plugged in played onstage. The Squier Strat is nice too.

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Reply #69 posted 07/01/16 7:06am

TXfan

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Has anyone had a symbol guitar made?


They quoted me $998 for the symbol guitar
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Reply #70 posted 07/01/16 7:16am

mrfog

2020 said:

mrfog said:


Perhaps if we were to approach the company as a group they may take us more seriously about any ideas we have to improve their product...

Great idea! The orgs very own mass drop wink
I'd totally like to get in on this group buy since you both are so knowledgable and really could help this company create the ultimate replica

The more the merrier I would think - should improve our chances of getting them to include the features we would like...
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Reply #71 posted 07/01/16 7:20am

TXfan

SPYZFAN1 said:

That Cloud is beautiful. Too nice to be put in a glass case..It definetly needs to be plugged in played onstage. The Squier Strat is nice too.


The Squier is a deluxe model, I got it because the maple neck/fretboard and Duncan designed PU's. The cloud needs a proper setup and gone thru to make sure all is good to play. Just looking for a good shop where I live now.
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Reply #72 posted 07/01/16 7:22am

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There is a purple Cloud guitar on eBay which the seller states was actually used by Prince. I just read this in Google News a few minutes ago - the sale is starting at $70,000.

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Reply #73 posted 07/01/16 7:35am

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Looks like the blue rave to me

Never saw him play a purple other than habibi

http://www.guitarworld.co...0000/29387

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Reply #74 posted 07/01/16 7:36am

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1Sasha said:


There is a purple Cloud guitar on eBay which the seller states was actually used by Prince. I just read this in Google News a few minutes ago - the sale is starting at $70,000.


If anyone wants to pay 70k for a mass produced Schecter Diamond Series cloud that was patently never touched by Prince, then good luck to them!
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Reply #75 posted 07/01/16 7:39am

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mrfog said:

2020 said:
Great idea! The orgs very own mass drop wink I'd totally like to get in on this group buy since you both are so knowledgable and really could help this company create the ultimate replica
The more the merrier I would think - should improve our chances of getting them to include the features we would like...


This could be interesting!

What language does rareelectric converse in - as I have some asian...chinese/korean friends who could do any technical translation with them

I have seen some very technical schematics somewhere on the web for the cloud in the past...

I'm going hunting and see what can be found...

On central's site...

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Reply #76 posted 07/01/16 7:42am

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mrfog said:

1Sasha said:


There is a purple Cloud guitar on eBay which the seller states was actually used by Prince. I just read this in Google News a few minutes ago - the sale is starting at $70,000.

If anyone wants to pay 70k for a mass produced Schecter Diamond Series cloud that was patently never touched by Prince, then good luck to them!


Lol. And the Certificate of Authenticity states "Personally owed by Prince". Unless that's proper legalese, I would think a legit COA would at least be spelled correctly and state "owned".

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Reply #77 posted 07/01/16 8:02am

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injuredpinky said:



mrfog said:


1Sasha said:


There is a purple Cloud guitar on eBay which the seller states was actually used by Prince. I just read this in Google News a few minutes ago - the sale is starting at $70,000.



If anyone wants to pay 70k for a mass produced Schecter Diamond Series cloud that was patently never touched by Prince, then good luck to them!



Lol. And the Certificate of Authenticity states "Personally owed by Prince". Unless that's proper legalese, I would think a legit COA would at least be spelled correctly and state "owned".


Obviously not the same guitar as in the linked video - different headstock, pickups etc... Pathetically weak scam. loser
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Reply #78 posted 07/01/16 8:12am

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^

It is a truly awful advert - I am minded to inform fleabay of this nonsense

Shameful

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Reply #79 posted 07/01/16 8:31am

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It is a truly awful advert - I am minded to inform fleabay of this nonsense

Shameful


Please do.
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Reply #80 posted 07/01/16 8:33am

TXfan

Connected said:



mrfog said:


2020 said:
Great idea! The orgs very own mass drop wink I'd totally like to get in on this group buy since you both are so knowledgable and really could help this company create the ultimate replica

The more the merrier I would think - should improve our chances of getting them to include the features we would like...


This could be interesting!

What language does rareelectric converse in - as I have some asian...chinese/korean friends who could do any technical translation with them

I have seen some very technical schematics somewhere on the web for the cloud in the past...


I'm going hunting and see what can be found...



On central's site...



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I have the same drawings And sent them to RareElectric. They said they could build a cloud to these specs. The only thing is I'm not sure if the drawings are correct. The headstock angle and neck angle are different than the originals.Also the body width is the same as mine 11". I've heard the original was 12". I wish We could ask Dave Rusan for the correct diminsions just to know the truth.
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Reply #81 posted 07/01/16 9:09am

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TXfan said:

Connected said:



mrfog said:


2020 said:
Great idea! The orgs very own mass drop wink I'd totally like to get in on this group buy since you both are so knowledgable and really could help this company create the ultimate replica

The more the merrier I would think - should improve our chances of getting them to include the features we would like...


This could be interesting!

What language does rareelectric converse in - as I have some asian...chinese/korean friends who could do any technical translation with them

I have seen some very technical schematics somewhere on the web for the cloud in the past...


I'm going hunting and see what can be found...



On central's site...



[Edited 7/1/16 7:54am]



I have the same drawings And sent them to RareElectric. They said they could build a cloud to these specs. The only thing is I'm not sure if the drawings are correct. The headstock angle and neck angle are different than the originals.Also the body width is the same as mine 11". I've heard the original was 12". I wish We could ask Dave Rusan for the correct diminsions just to know the truth.

Don't know how keen he'd be on knock-offs being made!

I have an idea how to get the dimensions exactly, but it will take some time and patience. I'm away from home for the next week and a half or so, but am now keen to get started on this project when I get back...
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Reply #82 posted 07/01/16 10:06am

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TXfan said:

Marco81 said:

Has anyone had a symbol guitar made?

They quoted me $998 for the symbol guitar

damn I thought the Symbol guitar would be much more....I think I'm going to get both a Cloud and Symbol from these guys.

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Reply #83 posted 07/01/16 11:04am

TXfan

I think he wouldn't mind too much. Especially coming from a Prince fan group.And if you think about, no disrespect but
The cloud he made was a knock off of a bass guitar he didn't design originally.
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Reply #84 posted 07/01/16 2:57pm

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The more I read about Cloud guitars (and the different Hohner variatios) , the more confused I get.

For example, I had no idea that there was a black Cloud guitar by EPS (or ESP?) that is used by a Japanese artist. It looks like an updated, futuristic version of Prince´s Cloud. ALMOST the same, but slightly different.

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Reply #85 posted 07/01/16 7:07pm

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I'm on mobile so I can't post the picture, but Purple Stream on Facebook posted a picture of one of P's cloud guitars on display at one of the Smithsonian museums, beside the Purple Rain LP. That gives some scale if anyone was still wondering about its size and all that. shrug
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Reply #86 posted 07/02/16 6:49am

mrfog

pandaleka said:

I'm on mobile so I can't post the picture, but Purple Stream on Facebook posted a picture of one of P's cloud guitars on display at one of the Smithsonian museums, beside the Purple Rain LP. That gives some scale if anyone was still wondering about its size and all that. shrug
[Edited 7/1/16 19:15pm]

Thanks, that's a good observation...
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Reply #87 posted 07/02/16 3:39pm

Marco81

Can we get all specs for clouds, symbol guitars and one-eyed bass guitars all here please??
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Reply #88 posted 07/02/16 4:06pm

kidmelody2012

Marco81 said:

Can we get all specs for clouds, symbol guitars and one-eyed bass guitars all here please??

it wont matter...im the only one who can play like him

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Reply #89 posted 07/02/16 4:33pm

mrfog

Marco81 said:

Can we get all specs for clouds, symbol guitars and one-eyed bass guitars all here please??

One eyed bass is a Warwick Thumb Bass NT 4, painted white then airbrushed...
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