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Reply #30 posted 06/30/16 10:50am

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pandaleka said:



IstenSzek said:




mrfog said:


TXfan said: That looks like it turned out really nice. Thanks for the description of your experience, and the different issues you found. Could you post some more shots please? Would be great to see in more detail...


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perhaps with you holding it/playing it? i mean, for scale purposes.

the dog is quite small (very qute) i think, so i'm not sure how the
guitar relates in size lol



Banana for scale




I'll post a pic of it next to a strat for comparison
I have no bananas today, lol
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Reply #31 posted 06/30/16 11:08am

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Thanks TXfan for the information.

A question - as a piece of art (just for wall hanging, not playing) - would you say it is worth it?



For sure, it's worth it. If you are going to just hang it on the wall You can order it with dot markers instead of symbols and a set neck rather than a thru neck to save money.

Thanks TXfan!

A supplementary question if I may...so for appearances, a set-neck aesthetically makes no difference?

I like the symbols on the fret and head...although as I am hanging it, would want them the other way round (particularly the top one)....if I make an order - are you cool if I use your picture to highlight this to the manufacturer? Thanks again!

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Reply #32 posted 06/30/16 12:28pm

mrfog

TXfan said:

pandaleka said:



IstenSzek said:




mrfog said:


TXfan said: That looks like it turned out really nice. Thanks for the description of your experience, and the different issues you found. Could you post some more shots please? Would be great to see in more detail...


nod

perhaps with you holding it/playing it? i mean, for scale purposes.

the dog is quite small (very qute) i think, so i'm not sure how the
guitar relates in size lol



Banana for scale




I'll post a pic of it next to a strat for comparison
I have no bananas today, lol


bananadance guitar
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Reply #33 posted 06/30/16 3:05pm

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Connected said:



TXfan said:


Connected said:

Thanks TXfan for the information.

A question - as a piece of art (just for wall hanging, not playing) - would you say it is worth it?





For sure, it's worth it. If you are going to just hang it on the wall You can order it with dot markers instead of symbols and a set neck rather than a thru neck to save money.

Thanks TXfan!

A supplementary question if I may...so for appearances, a set-neck aesthetically makes no difference?

I like the symbols on the fret and head...although as I am hanging it, would want them the other way round (particularly the top one)....if I make an order - are you cool if I use your picture to highlight this to the manufacturer? Thanks again!



No difference in looks for the neck. Sure you can use my picture and name (Pete Gutierrez). Be sure to clearly let them know what you want. I think some things get lost in translation with them. Just show them the pic with arrows and text, that's what did. Let me post another pic without "Buster". I'll put them up soon
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Reply #34 posted 06/30/16 3:33pm

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Thanks TXfan!

A supplementary question if I may...so for appearances, a set-neck aesthetically makes no difference?

I like the symbols on the fret and head...although as I am hanging it, would want them the other way round (particularly the top one)....if I make an order - are you cool if I use your picture to highlight this to the manufacturer? Thanks again!

No difference in looks for the neck. Sure you can use my picture and name (Pete Gutierrez). Be sure to clearly let them know what you want. I think some things get lost in translation with them. Just show them the pic with arrows and text, that's what did. Let me post another pic without "Buster". I'll put them up soon

Top Man!!!

Going to order one...so when the ladies come round...and I make my move...

I can utter the line..."say hello to my little friend...the Blue Angel!" razz

Tried to buy one at club 3121...but it was only a display model not for sale - which was gutting!

~Shakalaka!~..... ~Mayday!~
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Reply #35 posted 06/30/16 3:37pm

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Reply #36 posted 06/30/16 3:39pm

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Reply #38 posted 06/30/16 3:42pm

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I guess in this pic it doesn't look that small.
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Reply #39 posted 06/30/16 3:53pm

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Niceeee

The fret symbols are the right way round...but did you change the head symbol to the correct way...as it is a different direction in the earlier pics? confused

Thanks

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Reply #40 posted 06/30/16 4:04pm

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Thanks again TXfan for all the great pics! You got me thinkin.....

The greatest live performer of our times was is and always will be Prince.

Remember there is only one destination and that place is U
All of it. Everything. Is U.
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Reply #41 posted 06/30/16 4:05pm

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Yes I did. They sent 2 extras since I spotted it upside down and pointed it out to them.
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Reply #42 posted 06/30/16 4:22pm

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Looks great! What body wood did you select - basswood or maple?
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Reply #43 posted 06/30/16 4:25pm

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Yes I did. They sent 2 extras since I spotted it upside down and pointed it out to them.


Thanks!

It does look lovely and I hope you get much joy from it!

Your information is most appreciated!

That is my xmas present sorted!

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Reply #44 posted 06/30/16 4:37pm

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Sorry to be a bit particular Pete...as I have no experience of guitars...

Looking at their site, they have symbols on the sides of the neck

Is this something you had?

In fact, mrfog..you may also help with your knowledge

Is this something Prince had on his "blue angel"?

I don't think he did - but am abit unconfident as I have zero experience in guitars

Basically - without having to spend money on a proper playing guitar, my goal is to get a "Blue Angel" that looks exactly as Prince had it - if it is a slightly smaller size, I can live with it - as it is wall art

So all specs welcome for when I place the order

I got the set-neck
Fret & head symbols
No Whammy (from other thread - mrfog cool )

Anything other advice is most appreciated.

Thanks!

[Edited 6/30/16 16:39pm]

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Reply #45 posted 06/30/16 5:02pm

mrfog

Connected said:

Sorry to be a bit particular Pete...as I have no experience of guitars...

Looking at their site, they have symbols on the sides of the neck

Is this something you had?



In fact, mrfog..you may also help with your knowledge

Is this something Prince had on his "blue angel"?

I don't think he did - but am abit unconfident as I have zero experience in guitars

Basically - without having to spend money on a proper playing guitar, my goal is to get a "Blue Angel" that looks exactly as Prince had it - if it is a slightly smaller size, I can live with it - as it is wall art

So all specs welcome for when I place the order

I got the set-neck
Fret & head symbols
No Whammy (from other thread - mrfog cool )

Anything other advice is most appreciated.

Thanks!

[Edited 6/30/16 16:39pm]


By Blue Angel I take it you're looking to order a replica of the sky blue-ish Lovesexy era cloud, rather than the darker metallic blue cloud seen through the mid to late '90s?
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Reply #46 posted 06/30/16 5:10pm

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Ah...typical me to be difficult!

Yes the spec of the lovesexy blue angel (the original!)

Although...colour wise, I must admit...I am more partial to the rave blue colour - sacrilege to cloud afficianados I know! biggrin

mrfog...The jack you were talking about in the other thread... should actually look like on TXfans cloud right?

Ta!

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Reply #47 posted 06/30/16 5:18pm

TXfan

Connected said:

Sorry to be a bit particular Pete...as I have no experience of guitars...

Looking at their site, they have symbols on the sides of the neck

Is this something you had?



In fact, mrfog..you may also help with your knowledge

Is this something Prince had on his "blue angel"?

I don't think he did - but am abit unconfident as I have zero experience in guitars

Basically - without having to spend money on a proper playing guitar, my goal is to get a "Blue Angel" that looks exactly as Prince had it - if it is a slightly smaller size, I can live with it - as it is wall art

So all specs welcome for when I place the order

I got the set-neck
Fret & head symbols
No Whammy (from other thread - mrfog cool )

Anything other advice is most appreciated.

Thanks!

[Edited 6/30/16 16:39pm]



The original guitar in Purple Rain had dot markers,black knobs with gold hardware
And brass nut/truss cover. I think later he had symbol markers and even bat shaped markers on the black cloud. Fret markers are usually duplicated on the topside of the neck so they can be seen looking down. The blue looks gorgeous but I'm in love with that purple.
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Reply #48 posted 06/30/16 5:32pm

TXfan

I would say do it. There's not many original clouds out there, most are replicas. This is the next best thing and for the price it's not a bad deal.It's not anything you can just go out and buy at Guitar Center. It's very unique and anybody who see's it knows what it represents. RareElectricGuitars as a company was not bad to work with. They ask for $150 down with balance due upon completion. I'm sure if you had some special request they could handle it for a price. I'm glad I was able to answer most question about the guitar and where I got it. If anyone does order a Prince related guitar please post pics and your experience with the company.
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Reply #49 posted 06/30/16 5:34pm

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mrfog said:

Looks great! What body wood did you select - basswood or maple?

Basswood with maple neck.
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Reply #50 posted 06/30/16 6:20pm

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TXfan said:

Connected said:

Sorry to be a bit particular Pete...as I have no experience of guitars...

Looking at their site, they have symbols on the sides of the neck

Is this something you had?

In fact, mrfog..you may also help with your knowledge

Is this something Prince had on his "blue angel"?

I don't think he did - but am abit unconfident as I have zero experience in guitars

Basically - without having to spend money on a proper playing guitar, my goal is to get a "Blue Angel" that looks exactly as Prince had it - if it is a slightly smaller size, I can live with it - as it is wall art

So all specs welcome for when I place the order

I got the set-neck
Fret & head symbols
No Whammy (from other thread - mrfog cool )

Anything other advice is most appreciated.

Thanks!

[Edited 6/30/16 16:39pm]

The original guitar in Purple Rain had dot markers,black knobs with gold hardware And brass nut/truss cover. I think later he had symbol markers and even bat shaped markers on the black cloud. Fret markers are usually duplicated on the topside of the neck so they can be seen looking down. The blue looks gorgeous but I'm in love with that purple.


Yes!...about the PR guitar, I did notice this was before he began incorporating the symbol - I think as it is wall art though, the symbols on the fret are a bit more fancy smile

And my walls are white!

I was tempted by a black cloud Edwards - which had the wood coloured neck ala parade - but was a bit put off by the colour and that it was more associated with a Japanese musician (forget his name... Luna Sea Sugizo?), than Prince

I too luurrrvvveeee the purple cloud - but I don't think he ever had one - only a purple habibi?

Also quite taken with the flower telecaster ala PR & Parade... maybe I will get that for my bday next June.... xmas blue cloud, June flower telecaster...and rotate every 6mths

Sounds like a plan coming together!

Now, thank you! - I learnt another thing about the fret marks being on the topside of the neck....totally makes sense now (as a none player)....so you can glance to see where to finger (so to put it)

~Shakalaka!~..... ~Mayday!~
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Reply #51 posted 06/30/16 6:24pm

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I would say do it. There's not many original clouds out there, most are replicas. This is the next best thing and for the price it's not a bad deal.It's not anything you can just go out and buy at Guitar Center. It's very unique and anybody who see's it knows what it represents. RareElectricGuitars as a company was not bad to work with. They ask for $150 down with balance due upon completion. I'm sure if you had some special request they could handle it for a price. I'm glad I was able to answer most question about the guitar and where I got it. If anyone does order a Prince related guitar please post pics and your experience with the company.


Thanks again TXfan

You have been really helpful for me...

And when my blue cloud is mounted on xmas day - i'll be sure to post some pics

And if I like it and buy the flowers telecaster - I'll post those too!

Something tells me...there will be a "holiday" before xmas though wink

~Shakalaka!~..... ~Mayday!~
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Reply #52 posted 06/30/16 6:56pm

mrfog

Connected said:

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Ah...typical me to be difficult!

Yes the spec of the lovesexy blue angel (the original!)

Although...colour wise, I must admit...I am more partial to the rave blue colour - sacrilege to cloud afficianados I know! biggrin

mrfog...The jack you were talking about in the other thread... should actually look like on TXfans cloud right?

Ta!


The Blue Angel is a heavenly choice, no doubt - and yes, that jack is in the right place on TXfax's awesome new cloud...

Here's a few things to consider that would be improvements in terms of accuracy to Prince's own guitars if you can convince the company to change how things are done:

1: Ask for these specifications:

24.75” scale length
12” fretboard radius
14-degree headstock angle
5-degree neck to body angle

2: The neck pickup housing should be routed through from the back of the guitar, with a small black plastic plate covering the chamber on the rear - instead of just being dropped in from above like on the Schecter guitars (this deviation from the original design was probably done for ease of manufacture and to save time and money).

3: The carved bevel around the edge of the guitar's front should be a bit wider and deeper.

4: The bridge pickup should be moved slightly closer to the bridge itself.

5: A brass nut and truss rod cover in the right shape would be really cool (I guess this is something you could change yourself later though).

6: The original clouds had maple bodies and through-neck construction. This seems to be offered as an option for the build, so that might be a good thing to go for if you want as close to the real thing as possible. Having a maple body will effect the tone, making it sound brighter than a basswood guitar, but the importance of this is all probably dependant on your own needs (and of course whether this has a big impact on the price). Even if it's intended to be wall art though, I would probably argue that your cloud will have more worth as a Prince artifact and tribute if it plays well and is a good instrument in itself, as well as a higher intrinsic value.

If you'd like some pics showing what all these details should ideally look like to give to the manufacturer, just PM me your email and I'll send them on (I don't have flicker or photobucket sorted for posting here yet)...

As for position markers on the Blue Angel, conventional wisdom says it had dots. The more I look into this though, the surer I am that all the various '80s clouds -3 in all, repainted at different points - actually had small spade markers, like on a spade playing card.

Pics in high enough resolution to see this are hard to find though, so these usually just look like dots. There's long been a rumour about the existence of these spade markers though, and I recently found a photos of them on the very first original white cloud...

Just so you know, the top of the spades should point upwards in the direction of the headstock.

Good luck with your order, and please do keep us updated on how it goes! If you've any more questions or would like an opinion on any pics they send during the build process, please just to ask. All this is fascinating, and it's so cool to hear about new clouds being born...
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Reply #53 posted 06/30/16 7:06pm

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great pictures! thank you for posting thumbs up! cool

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #54 posted 06/30/16 7:15pm

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Man, she looks sweet!
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Reply #55 posted 06/30/16 7:23pm

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Think you're right. Those markers do look spade like on the original cloud
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Reply #57 posted 06/30/16 7:56pm

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Connected said:

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Ah...typical me to be difficult!

Yes the spec of the lovesexy blue angel (the original!)

Although...colour wise, I must admit...I am more partial to the rave blue colour - sacrilege to cloud afficianados I know! biggrin

mrfog...The jack you were talking about in the other thread... should actually look like on TXfans cloud right?

Ta!

The Blue Angel is a heavenly choice, no doubt - and yes, that jack is in the right place on TXfax's awesome new cloud... Here's a few things to consider that would be improvements in terms of accuracy to Prince's own guitars if you can convince the company to change how things are done: 1: Ask for these specifications: 24.75” scale length 12” fretboard radius 14-degree headstock angle 5-degree neck to body angle 2: The neck pickup housing should be routed through from the back of the guitar, with a small black plastic plate covering the chamber on the rear - instead of just being dropped in from above like on the Schecter guitars (this deviation from the original design was probably done for ease of manufacture and to save time and money). 3: The carved bevel around the edge of the guitar's front should be a bit wider and deeper. 4: The bridge pickup should be moved slightly closer to the bridge itself. 5: A brass nut and truss rod cover in the right shape would be really cool (I guess this is something you could change yourself later though). 6: The original clouds had maple bodies and through-neck construction. This seems to be offered as an option for the build, so that might be a good thing to go for if you want as close to the real thing as possible. Having a maple body will effect the tone, making it sound brighter than a basswood guitar, but the importance of this is all probably dependant on your own needs (and of course whether this has a big impact on the price). Even if it's intended to be wall art though, I would probably argue that your cloud will have more worth as a Prince artifact and tribute if it plays well and is a good instrument in itself, as well as a higher intrinsic value. If you'd like some pics showing what all these details should ideally look like to give to the manufacturer, just PM me your email and I'll send them on (I don't have flicker or photobucket sorted for posting here yet)... As for position markers on the Blue Angel, conventional wisdom says it had dots. The more I look into this though, the surer I am that all the various '80s clouds -3 in all, repainted at different points - actually had small spade markers, like on a spade playing card. Pics in high enough resolution to see this are hard to find though, so these usually just look like dots. There's long been a rumour about the existence of these spade markers though, and I recently found a photos of them on the very first original white cloud... Just so you know, the top of the spades should point upwards in the direction of the headstock. Good luck with your order, and please do keep us updated on how it goes! If you've any more questions or would like an opinion on any pics they send during the build process, please just to ask. All this is fascinating, and it's so cool to hear about new clouds being born...


Crikey!!!

Thank you - and when I dig out that dvd - we will talk!!!

I love your suggestions - although it sounds costly...and for that money, I could possibly wait the long-term and pick up a Schecter/NPG which will retain it's value better than a off-piste replica -possibly?

Otherwise, maybe there are better Luthiers than rareelectric if I start going into $$$$ - Is that a fair statement TXfan?

So - as it is wall art - I am more interested in it looking authentic in detail, with good wood material and very importantly with a proper paint job, rather than the "equipment" so to speak

So, if a set-neck is cheaper (but looks the same as a thru-neck - sold...the size would be better being correct, the angle of the plate - correct...if I can get a durable quality looking plate that won't tarnish, playability not important - then great! etc...)

All about the aesthetics with quality material - because once it's up...it is the only display of Prince in my living room...

I have a Paisley tambourine (stage used from 86) in my bedroom and 3121 & symbol 93 in the halls...together with the "Sign O Times" framed lyrics poster in the bathroom - the guitar is my ONLY display....without looking like a complete Prince nut!!!!! lol

Over the years, some of the stories on the NPG store clouds - the paint job was pretty poor - naughty Prince!!!

Spades - 100% correct...definitely there are pictures that clearly show spade fret markings...In fact, I think it is the same guitar that was then used for the batman markings - if memory serves correct, could be wrong tho.

Again - I do have some pretty decent pictures showing these - although to be honest, finding those will be far harder than the dvd ...so lets not hold our breath wink

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Reply #58 posted 06/30/16 7:59pm

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Think you're right. Those markers do look spade like on the original cloud

I found a really clear photo of them on the peach SOTT/Lovesexy cloud too, so I think it stands to reason the Blue Angel would be the same. The peach guitar usually just looks like it has dots unless you see it up really close and in focus, just like the PR white cloud.

By the way, take a close look at the markers at the 12th fret in Pic 1 you posted, then in pics 2&3 - notice anything interesting?

I've so far counted three distinct variations in the relitive positions of those 12th fret markers, and I think this corresponds to what we know of David Rusan building three clouds for Prince to use...
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Reply #59 posted 06/30/16 8:42pm

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I love your suggestions - although it sounds costly...and for that money, I could possibly wait the long-term and pick up a Schecter/NPG which will retain it's value better than a off-piste replica -possibly?

Otherwise, maybe there are better Luthiers than rareelectric if I start going into $$$$ - Is that a fair statement TXfan?

So - as it is wall art - I am more interested in it looking authentic in detail, with good wood material and very importantly with a proper paint job, rather than the "equipment" so to speak

So, if a set-neck is cheaper (but looks the same as a thru-neck - sold...the size would be better being correct, the angle of the plate - correct...if I can get a durable quality looking plate that won't tarnish, playability not important - then great! etc...)

All about the aesthetics with quality material - because once it's up...it is the only display of Prince in my living room...

I have a Paisley tambourine (stage used from 86) in my bedroom and 3121 & symbol 93 in the halls...together with the "Sign O Times" framed lyrics poster in the bathroom - the guitar is my ONLY display....without looking like a complete Prince nut!!!!! lol

Over the years, some of the stories on the NPG store clouds - the paint job was pretty poor - naughty Prince!!!

Spades - 100% correct...definitely there are pictures that clearly show spade fret markings...In fact, I think it is the same guitar that was then used for the batman markings - if memory serves correct, could be wrong tho.

Again - I do have some pretty decent pictures showing these - although to be honest, finding those will be far harder than the dvd ...so lets not hold our breath wink

I guess you could always enquire about what the price increase would be for neck-through and maple; might not be that big a jump.

As for getting the other details included, it occurs to me that either they'd want to charge you more or will be glad for your advice in improving their product. Way I see it, the more accurate they can make these things, the more they'll sell.

Looking at how well TXfan's commission has turned out, these seem like a real bargain to me. Imagine how incredibly cool they'd be with a few little tweaks in production though, most of which - pickup placement, top carve - wouldn't present any extra effort or cost at all once they updated whatever pattern they're using.

Only the correct neck pickup routing would increase labour time to any extent if the change was instituted, but personally I'd be happy to pay a little more over all for that detail to be right...
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