A lot of people with Aspergers do NOT have social anxiety even if they're typically social awkward. I think a common characteristic among the few I've met is their frequent faux pas behaviour, which they appear unaware of. That's why they're thought to suffer from mind blindness, an inability to empathize whose cause may be low levels of oxycotin, the attachment hormone.

Can aspergers people do this tho?

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fortuneandserendipity said:

Can aspergers people do this tho?

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Love it Who said men can't multitask.

Indigo children

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Indigo children, according to a pseudoscientific New Age concept, are children who are believed to possess special, unusual, and sometimes supernatural traits or abilities. The idea is based on concepts developed in the 1970s by Nancy Ann Tappe and further developed by Jan Tober and Lee Carroll.

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Indigo children - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/...o_children

I read recently Prince was an ISFP on the myer briggs model. You can take your own test and it will tell you of like-minded celebrities. michael jackson, bob dylan hendrix and yes mozart apparently share the same personality type, the adventurer.

https://www.16personalities.com

fortuneandserendipity said:

Bunsterdk said:

It's very amusing to read the many misconceptions here about people with asperges. And I mean that in the most friendly manner possible.

As I mentioned, I have asperges and adhd and I love being with people, talk for hours with anyone remotely interesting one on one or in small groups, absolutely hate speaking in public, am a natural dancer, incorporating every beat in my body without really being able to tell you how, love performing, can write texts that paint a picture again without really understanding how. It just comes to me and I have to write it down. I write for a living, but used to sing, dance and play music in an attempt at making it my livelihood till I decided I didn't want what comes with that life. I have an extremely high energy level and problems sleeping at night, often sleeping better if I lay down during the day. Any of this sound familiar?

I do have problems with social contact, but not even to the extent of freezing up completely as Prince did with Clark. Poor kid, like a deer in headlights. And I have been on national television, but it was pre-recorded interviews so not directly comparable.

My best friend is kinda freaked out a little after Prince died because none of us really saw a lot of footage of him before since the early videos, and our mannerisms, facial expressions, the way we use our eyes etc are to a large extent identical, even if we don't look alike as such. And I didn't pick them up from him as I didn't know he did that. It's in many ways like finding a twin you didn't know you had. We both see things in grids, patterns etc etc.

I have been diagnosed properly by professionals and have no doubts as to the validity of my diagnoses. Not saying this proves anything re Prince, just saying nothing mentioned here rules it out.

Oh, and I am 51 and nothing indicates I won't make it to 57. :-)

Oh oh.. AND my all-time pre-Prince favourite colour is the exact same purple. That proves it. Prince had asperges, too.. LOL
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I read recently Prince was an ISFP on the myer briggs model. You can take your own test and it will tell you of like-minded celebrities. michael jackson, bob dylan hendrix and yes mozart apparently share the same personality type, the adventurer.

https://www.16personalities.com

I read the blurb about ISFP and thought yes, that sounds like him.

I change during the course of a day. I wake and I'm one person, and when I go to sleep I know for certain I'm somebody else.

Bob Dylan

ISFP personality types are true artists, but not necessarily in the typical sense where they're out painting happy little trees. Often enough though, they are perfectly capable of this. Rather, it's that they use aesthetics, design and even their choices and actions to push the limits of social convention. ISFPs enjoy upsetting traditional expectations with experiments in beauty and behavior – chances are, they've expressed more than once the phrase "Don't box me in!" Despite all this, ISFPs are definitely Introverts (I), surprising their friends further when they step out of the spotlight to be by themselves to recharge.

BUT, then I took the test - and it had me as an ISFP-A too so either that is a very broad category or the test has some major flaws. I would never have described myself as artistic (I would have said analytical if pushed for a description) and I don't like the spotlight. As for pushing social convention, I have my moments and really don't play along with one or two social conventions (but only ones the ones that impact me - social conventions that put other people at ease I try to be very observent of), but overall I am very conventional.

Speculative nonsense

What other garbage threads are going to be made under...

Was Prince this?

Was Prince that?

Did Prince do this? (and in a sensational way - rather than about his craft)
Did Prince really get abducted by aliens/alive/prank/murdered?

Get a grip folks - and stop denigrating a great artist with questions of a highly personal nature that you will have no idea or possibility of finding the answers to...

This ain't TMZ or some other bullshit "entertainment" site

How on earth did Prince's input into the world be reduced to such tabloid conjecture... especially from his so-called fans?

As the man sung... "Oooh what a shame, what a shame, what a shame..."

Guitarhero said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Can aspergers people do this tho?

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Love it Who said men can't multitask.

This alone is indicator of high intelligence. To separate focus on two not simple, rudimentary tasks (like walking and talking for example). But it does not mean he had AS. I still believe like mentioned above. Just a byproduct of genius. Prince excelled at so many things. I'm pretty sure anything else he tried to do he would have been equally exceptional at. Not limited to one or few specific areas which is often seen in AS.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I used to think he may be dyslexic (based on that part from UTCM) but not with that handwriting.

You mean the 'wrecka stow' thing?

That was literally a joke he and Tricky made to Mary about her coming from such a privileged background that she didn't understand the 'street' ways of pronouncing words - thus when she pronounced 'wrecka stow' she didn't understand they were saying 'record store'.

ForeverPaisley said:

Guitarhero said:

Love it Who said men can't multitask.

This alone is indicator of high intelligence. To separate focus on two not simple, rudimentary tasks (like walking and talking for example). But it does not mean he had AS. I still believe like mentioned above. Just a byproduct of genius. Prince excelled at so many things. I'm pretty sure anything else he tried to do he would have been equally exceptional at. Not limited to one or few specific areas which is often seen in AS.

In answer to the original poster of the multiple instruments GIF, who wanted to know if an Aspie could do this. Sure, many of them could. And so could many NT folks. It's not an indicator of high intelligence, either. Multiple physical tasks are multiple physical tasks. It's not genius either. And none of those things (well, except for the Asperger/neurotypical dichotomy) requires the others to be untrue. What he's doing in the GIF is not indicative of anything much, just a fun little parlor trick.

Asperger syndrome is seen in people with all intelligence levels. Most are not "incredibly" gifted, even in their special interests. Sure, some are--but so-called "genius" performers who are NT are probably as common--and the ones you actually know about are probably mostly NT, because they don't have as tough a time with the social and other requirements in order to become well-known. Aspergers also covers a wide range of different social "normality" levels as well--including many of us who are pretty good at hiding our difficulties, as long as we can exert a certain amount of control--who's involved in the social interactions, where they take place, how free-ranging the topics involved are. All of us have different comfort and performance levels with certain people than we do with the general public or strangers, and will do much better if those latter interactions can be extremely controlled or scripted.

Look, I don't know whether Prince had Asperger syndrome. I know that from the outside NT's see me as maybe shy or slow to warm up but basically normal; they don't know how laughably incomplete that is. They don't know how much planning and emotional prep it takes to manage those minor social obligations or even "fun" interactions. They don't notice the routines or rituals or patterns that allow me to keep enough of my energy free to seem NT during rhose times that I just don't want to bother oeople with educating them or bother myself with having to, but instead I just want to get the shopping done and go back home.

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[Edited 7/1/16 21:04pm]

What is "NT" and "NY?"

Connected said:

Speculative nonsense

What other garbage threads are going to be made under...

Was Prince this?

Was Prince that?

Did Prince do this? (and in a sensational way - rather than about his craft)
Did Prince really get abducted by aliens/alive/prank/murdered?

Get a grip folks - and stop denigrating a great artist with questions of a highly personal nature that you will have no idea or possibility of finding the answers to...

This ain't TMZ or some other bullshit "entertainment" site

How on earth did Prince's input into the world be reduced to such tabloid conjecture... especially from his so-called fans?

As the man sung... "Oooh what a shame, what a shame, what a shame..."

I don't see it as degredation because I don't see people with Aspergers or Autism, as less than. I think this thread came about because of the recent Autism fundraiser that P participated in, and the Autism Society told the crowd that Prince had told them the reason he did the shows is that he suspected he had some form of it. I don't think anyone is trying to degrad him.

purplethunder3121 said:

What is "NT" and "NY?"

NT=neurotypical, or "normal" (in the sense of non-Aspie/non-Autistic spectrum)

NY=A typo for NT. Oops.

Angelsoncrack said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I used to think he may be dyslexic (based on that part from UTCM) but not with that handwriting.

You mean the 'wrecka stow' thing?

That was literally a joke he and Tricky made to Mary about her coming from such a privileged background that she didn't understand the 'street' ways of pronouncing words - thus when she pronounced 'wrecka stow' she didn't understand they were saying 'record store'.

I thought it was hilarious to find out that Prince actually put St. Paul through the same "test" when he first met him to talk about joining the TIme. I wonder how many other people got that treatment in real life?

Respectfully,

I find the article's author to not understand what the heck being on the autism spectrum actually means and a lot of people on this thread

seem to misunderstand what being on the autism spectrum or being a high functioning person with autism with any autism spectrum disorder is like.

Consequently a lot of the reasoning on this thread is poor.

I know a lot of people want to find a diagnosis or a label to explain him or find another way to claim him as their own, but this is misguided even by the standards of people looking at others from their public personas.

EddieC said:

Angelsoncrack said:

You mean the 'wrecka stow' thing?

That was literally a joke he and Tricky made to Mary about her coming from such a privileged background that she didn't understand the 'street' ways of pronouncing words - thus when she pronounced 'wrecka stow' she didn't understand they were saying 'record store'.

I thought it was hilarious to find out that Prince actually put St. Paul through the same "test" when he first met him to talk about joining the TIme. I wonder how many other people got that treatment in real life?

So funny hearing P speak geechie, and using 'ya'll'. First time I saw him do that, I got the reference right away, being from Charleston. Used to be an old country store not far from me named "DA STO". I grew up talking like that, it's like a 2nd language

CROWNS1 said:

EddieC said:

I thought it was hilarious to find out that Prince actually put St. Paul through the same "test" when he first met him to talk about joining the TIme. I wonder how many other people got that treatment in real life?

So funny hearing P speak geechie, and using 'ya'll'. First time I saw him do that, I got the reference right away, being from Charleston. Used to be an old country store not far from me named "DA STO". I grew up talking like that, it's like a 2nd language

It strikes you as being an example of Geechie? Admittedly, I'm not at all familiar with Geechie, never having been around people speaking it, and only having heard it (that I know of) in the context of "this is what Geechie sounds like" segments on TV a few times. I never had "Wrecka Sto" pinned as any particular dialect, but I'm surprised to hear Geechie as a suggestion.

"Sto" doesn't seem unusual to me for "store," really--I'm from mostly the Missouri/Arkansas Ozarks region, with a fair amount of folks from further south in Arkansas around, and I hear that version (and obviously I'm familiar with and use "ya'll," though I can't find a way to spell it that looks right to me, so I'll go with yours.) I don't know that I've ever been exposed to someone actually saying "Wrecka" for "record," though. It doesn't strike me as really different; I'm just not sure I've actually heard it.

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BS. He was a GENIUS! PERIOD!

PurpleBabied said:

Respectfully,

I find the article's author to not understand what the heck being on the autism spectrum actually means and a lot of people on this thread

seem to misunderstand what being on the autism spectrum or being a high functioning person with autism with any autism spectrum disorder is like.

Consequently a lot of the reasoning on this thread is poor.

I know a lot of people want to find a diagnosis or a label to explain him or find another way to claim him as their own, but this is misguided even by the standards of people looking at others from their public personas.

I finally read the article the OP linked to. It was better than I expected (I really thought it would be terrible)--no, it doesn't prove anything, and it certainly doesn't attempt to explain the larger issues of life on the spectrum, only suggesting that Prince's social strangeness might be connected to autism. The author is far more interested in the "savant" idea, and he doesn't rely on that necessarily having any connection with autism (regardless of functional level), saying that it could be acquired by neurotypical people in different ways.

And I've been very clear that I do not know and can't know and am almost certainly affected by a bias that might make me see the whole issue in an unclear way. As someone who self-identifies as spectrum (but has never been diagnosed), I'm fully aware that I might be one of the folks you're talking about--I hope if I am, I haven't been too off base in my misunderstandings. I certainly never meant to say "this is what being an Aspie is," and certainly did not mean to be offensive in anything I did say.

I do think I've said enough in this thread either way, so this will be my last extensive comment here, I think, and I'll cede the floor to those who either have a diagnosis themselves or have more experience with older people on the spectrum. I have a pretty good record with spotting preschoolers on the spectrum (as a preschool teacher it's part of my job), but Prince wasn't four and he wasn't in my class everyday. If someone says something interesting about Geechie or something, though, I reserve the right to respond.

Connected said:

Speculative nonsense

What other garbage threads are going to be made under...

Was Prince this?

Was Prince that?

Did Prince do this? (and in a sensational way - rather than about his craft)
Did Prince really get abducted by aliens/alive/prank/murdered?

Get a grip folks - and stop denigrating a great artist with questions of a highly personal nature that you will have no idea or possibility of finding the answers to...

This ain't TMZ or some other bullshit "entertainment" site

How on earth did Prince's input into the world be reduced to such tabloid conjecture... especially from his so-called fans?

As the man sung... "Oooh what a shame, what a shame, what a shame..."

This a great post! I mean, really? The man was musically gifted.

Wow.

Some people just DON'T like the thought of P having aspergers/autism like it rages them so fucking much.

kinda like it infuriates them
to the thought of P if he were gay/bi (which he's not but ppl do crazy shit when they're young so), sad.

"UHHH HE GIFTED!! HE A GEENIUS LEAV HYM ALOAN, HE AYN'T A REETURD FCK U" stfu pls.

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Genesia said:

destinyc1 said:

I watched a video of prince joining in on someone playing a song.He walks up shakes his head up and down for a few seconds then goes right into it.Not sure if he plays by ear or what or how this works.Also the picture or video where he gives halle berry her award his eyes look exactly like the boy who had aspergers and they let him play in the final hs bball game and he hit like 6 three's.And for some reason prince didn't have a lot of facial movement

Seriously? He had a shit ton of facial movement.

Honestly...

Exactly! Wtf?

smoothcriminal12 said:

Genesia said:

Seriously? He had a shit ton of facial movement.

Honestly...

Exactly! Wtf?

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joeycocopuffs said:

Wow.

Some people just DON'T like the thought of P having aspergers/autism like it rages them so fucking much.

kinda like it infuriates them
to the thought of P if he were gay/bi (which he's not but ppl do crazy shit when they're young so), sad.

"UHHH HE GIFTED!! HE A GEENIUS LEAV HYM ALOAN, HE AYN'T A REETURD FCK U" stfu pls.

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Aspergers are geniuses. And I am sure that every aspy out there that knows about Prince would want to claim him as one of their own. Maybe that is what this thread is really about.

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QueenofCardboard said:

joeycocopuffs said:

Wow.

Some people just DON'T like the thought of P having aspergers/autism like it rages them so fucking much.

kinda like it infuriates them
to the thought of P if he were gay/bi (which he's not but ppl do crazy shit when they're young so), sad.

"UHHH HE GIFTED!! HE A GEENIUS LEAV HYM ALOAN, HE AYN'T A REETURD FCK U" stfu pls.

[Edited 7/2/16 7:06am]

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Aspergers are geniuses. And I am sure that every aspy out there that knows about Prince would want to claim him as one of them. Maybe that is what this thread is really about.

Not all of them are. I have autism and i don't even feel or/considered myself as 'smart & genius-like' (Angelsoncrack explained it better, see page 2). I was just pointing out the people who felt the need to aggressively come to this thread just to prove that Prince doesn't have autism/aspergers while calling it BS or 'bogus' like they don't want to see their favorite musician who may be one or the other or have him associated with both spectrums like it's a bad thing.

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joeycocopuffs said:

Wow.

Some people just DON'T like the thought of P having aspergers/autism like it rages them so fucking much.

kinda like it infuriates them
to the thought of P if he were gay/bi (which he's not but ppl do crazy shit when they're young so), sad.

"UHHH HE GIFTED!! HE A GEENIUS LEAV HYM ALOAN, HE AYN'T A REETURD FCK U" stfu pls.

[Edited 7/2/16 7:06am]

Questioning whether Aspergers was a perfect fit for P's quirky behavioural traits is not calling anyone a "reeturd".

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Here is one take on social behavioural difficulties between someone with AS and narcissism explaining the problems people with AS have with their own social signals:

"The main difference is that Asperger's do not have agendas toward others; Narcissists live in agenda. The Narcissist is the "man in charge" or "woman in charge" and always seems to STAY in charge no matter what crap he/she pulls on others, and always presents the shiniest image he/she can, and always finds a way to get people to follow or believe him/her. People don't hold him accountable, they don't criticize him, they don't confront him, they give him EXTRA respect, they let him run the show. People seem to ignore and excuse everything shady he does, and will often side with him against his targets, regardless of what he has done (they will minimize what he has done, and blame the person he did it to). Narcissists have mastered "cult of personality" and blame avoidance, INSTEAD of mastering how to treat others and how to be accountable.


In stark contrast, the Asperger's person seems to have a hard time keeping friends, or making new ones, and often must fight to be heard even when they are the most knowledgeable or experienced in the room. It's all about social signals~ Asperger's people may often wonder what the hell they did wrong THIS time, when really they did nothing wrong, they just didn't send the "right" social cues that say "I Am Cool" "I Am Popular" "I Am Someone To Follow", and most importantly, they don't find it a GOOD thing to send these signals, and frankly often find social sycophancy (ass kissing) repulsive and divisive (which it is). Asperger's people will often give the shirt off their back, only to get dismissed and ignored by the very people they gave it to, because they don't send the social signals of "I Am Important And It's In Your Best Interest To Treat Me As Such"" - that doesn't sound like P!