laytonian said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Goddess4Real said:

Is there still an investigation going on?

I have no idea? Well, couldn't she just tell us what other conditions like was he really sick? She probably can't say all but just a little more info... Ah well, just venting my frustrations.

the secrecy is just plain wierd, i know prince was private but secrecy often means shame, the old saying "we're only as sick as our secrets" comes to mind. Shame gets to the point of being unhealthy when it's like that. but for a celebrity, i can't think of any who people were so mum about. Liberace tried to hid his cause of death but in his state they hunted him down and forced a very public and embarrassing autopsy on him. Well, no one wants to see that for prince but if dude had cancer or aids, it would end the confusion and I also would personally prefer something like that because I hate drugs.

wildgoldenhoney said:

*Looking up 'Svengali'...

loosely means mentor/leader. but the word has negative connotations too of someone who totally controls a subject and makes them do what they want.

disch said:

He was seeing a doctor for withdrawal from opioids. We have no idea if or how hid addiction was related to physical pain. As for splits etc: he was 57 years old. I just don't agree at all with this distinction some insist on bethar implies that people who become addicted to opioids prescribed for physical pain are different/better than those who are addicted to opioids taken for other reasons. The brain chemistry of addiction is the same in both cases, as is the danger of withdrawal. And any addict gets there way because they're struggling with something -- whether it's physical of emotional. It's all pain. [Edited 6/24/16 9:29am]

This. I've been reading through this thread and there seems to be lumping of people into categories as to what 'type' of addict they are. Heck, many people buying drugs on the street do so because a doctor was the one who prescribed it to them and got them hooked in the first place. A herione user is no different than a fentanyl user. The word Heroine just conjures up frightening images. They are all the same drug in the end. And an addict is an addict at the end of the day. it doesn't make them any less of a person. The drug is great. Takes away pain, takes away stress, allows you to relax, calms your mind, heck..what's not to like about it. Especially if you are in need of it. Problem is, like any drug, it's only good for a time. Then it's trouble.

PeteSilas said:

CROWNS1 said:

disch said:

He was seeing a doctor for withdrawal from opioids. We have no idea if or how hid addiction was related to physical pain. As for splits etc: he was 57 years old. I just don't agree at all with this distinction some insist on bethar implies that people who become addicted to opioids prescribed for physical pain are different/better than those who are addicted to opioids taken for other reasons. The brain chemistry of addiction is the same in both cases, as is the danger of withdrawal. And any addict gets there way because they're struggling with something -- whether it's physical of emotional. It's all pain. [Edited 6/24/16 9:29am]

This. I've been reading through this thread and there seems to be lumping of people into categories as to what 'type' of addict they are. Heck, many people buying drugs on the street do so because a doctor was the one who prescribed it to them and got them hooked in the first place. A herione user is no different than a fentanyl user. The word Heroine just conjures up frightening images. They are all the same drug in the end. And an addict is an addict at the end of the day. it doesn't make them any less of a person. The drug is great. Takes away pain, takes away stress, allows you to relax, calms your mind, heck..what's not to like about it. Especially if you are in need of it. Problem is, like any drug, it's only good for a time. Then it's trouble.

i don't know about you guys but when i think of heroin addict I think of some dirty, nodding walking mess who can't even control their own infantile needs. Prince never gave those signs. It's one of the things that's making it hard to come to terms with how he ended up. Your point is correct though, even after all this fucking time, people still think of prescription drugs and street drugs as totally different. I was shocked when someone said to me last week that if someone was taking pills from a doctor it's different than street drugs. I thought where has this person been? I just hope that doesn't mean their hooked on something which is the first thought that came to my mind, the rationalization.

TopazGirl said:

ACharmed1 said:

I just wanna point out I didn't edit that photo, but either way it doesn't really effect how he looks as far as in the eyes and just his face in general. That ain't age either.

Hey ACharmed1, I'm confused by your reply. I just mentioned that the photo seemed edited by whoever did the article as I did see the photo in the orginal article and it is the same dark, cropped picture that is posted here in this thread. Unless you are the photograher who took that picture or someone who did the article and you want to point out my mistake in saying the photo looks edited? (that is an honest question) Maybe I'm reading your reply wrong too. If so, my apologies.

No worries hun, I was just pointing out to those in general who kept saying it was edited that, that kind of edit is more so for artistic value and will not effect his appearence so much. I am a photographer but not the 1 who took it. I was just making a general statement in that with the little bit of editing wouldn't effect his general appearence. Plus I didn't want ppl thinking I took the photo or did the edit in case that was the thought. Sorry if it came off like I was disagreeing with what U said.

PeteSilas said:

GustavoRibas said:

Reading some comments, I am surprised that there are some people thinking it could be epilepsy, and such, what happened in that plane. It´s complete state of denial!
I mean, dont get me wrong. I dont judge Prince for his use of opioids and I will never see him as a junkie who got addicted to recreational drugs. I see his addiction as a response to hip pain, because of years of dance moves on stage. But it seems clear that it was an OD in the plane.

it's not clear to me, dr. drew said that it's not typical for an opiod to cause the fixing of eyes and passing out. I don't know, i've only been around one heroin addict and have seen others who i don't know on the streets. they nod in and out of consciousness, even while standing up. I'm not in denial i'd just be happy with more info but if it doesn't come soon that's ok, it'll come out someday.

Ok, I understand, because it´s still a mystery, but as far as I know, an epileptic attack is not that smooth also (close eyes and pass out in silence). And Prince´s appearance got a lot worse during the last year and half of his life. He aged fast. This isnt caused by epillepsy.

Wasnt the hospital thing registered as Percocet overdose? The fact is that the final exams showed that Prince used legal drugs. And I dont judge him. I feel sorry that he used them for pain and they ended up killing him.

[Edited 6/24/16 19:22pm]

GustavoRibas said:

PeteSilas said:

it's not clear to me, dr. drew said that it's not typical for an opiod to cause the fixing of eyes and passing out. I don't know, i've only been around one heroin addict and have seen others who i don't know on the streets. they nod in and out of consciousness, even while standing up. I'm not in denial i'd just be happy with more info but if it doesn't come soon that's ok, it'll come out someday.

Ok, I understand, because it´s still a mystery, but an epileptic attack is not that smooth also (close eyes and pass out). And Prince´s appearance got a lot worse during the last year and half of his life. This isnt caused by epillepsy.

Wasnt the hospital thing registered as Percocet overdose? The fact is that the final exams showed that Prince used legal drugs. And I dont judge him. I feel sorry that he used them for pain and they ended up killing him.

read up further on this thread, people are saying that epilepsy can happen like judith describes. I've never really seen it and don't know but that's what some of them are saying. It did not sound like and od according to dr. drew, that's why i mentioned that Judith may be lying just to save Prince face, she may not want to say, "ya, he was nodding off as usual and then he just fell completely out". Also, drew said it was bizarre for him to die in an elevator, that most people die of opioids in bed.

PeteSilas said:

read up further on this thread, people are saying that epilepsy can happen like judith describes. I've never really seen it and don't know but that's what some of them are saying. It did not sound like and od according to dr. drew, that's why i mentioned that Judith may be lying just to save Prince face, she may not want to say, "ya, he was nodding off as usual and then he just fell completely out". Also, drew said it was bizarre for him to die in an elevator, that most people die of opioids in bed.

- Yes, he said that, but, as far as I remember, he suggested that Prince could have been using another medication for anxiety and that mix made it worse. Anyway, it´s clear that Prince was taking painkillers. He was seen going to pharmacy several times and the exam showed he had Fentanyl in his body.
I dont see any reason why somebody wouldnt believe he could take legal drugs for pain. It´s very common in the USA

wildgoldenhoney said:

I don't know if epilepsy seizures are different from person to person but the epileptic seizures I witnessed all my life were violent with convulsions and their eyes rolling back into the person's head. Also know that this person even though they 'other' it can still come back at times. I'm not discounting epilepsy not if this was an OD on the plane, that's why more details would be helpful.

What you are describing is a Grand Mal Seizure. There are more subtle forms of seizures that don't involve the convulsions. Their are children I have seen with seiures that they just suddenly stop moving, eyes become fixated, and they are unresponsive. They will stay that way for a few minutes or longer before they come out of it. I've not seen anyone pass out afterwards though, but not saying that it's not possible.

benni said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

benni said:

What you are describing is a Grand Mal Seizure. There are more subtle forms of seizures that don't involve the convulsions. Their are children I have seen with seiures that they just suddenly stop moving, eyes become fixated, and they are unresponsive. They will stay that way for a few minutes or longer before they come out of it. I've not seen anyone pass out afterwards though, but not saying that it's not possible.

Maybe what she described as passing out was him being in an epileptic seizure? I know that the one I described, the grand mal, they are unresponsive for quite awhile (and they would forget everything). In the one u described, do they also remain unresponsive for some time?

Yes, they do. Sometimes they only thing you'll see move is a slight flicker of their eyes. It's been awhile since I worked with kids (work with elderly and disabled people now), but I do remember that eerie silence and unresponsiveness, with that just that slight flicker in their eyes. All you could do was just wait for them to come out of it and make sure they remained comfortable through it. At least during those types of seizures there wasn't a risk of them biting their tongues.

benni said:

PeteSilas said:

CROWNS1 said:

This. I've been reading through this thread and there seems to be lumping of people into categories as to what 'type' of addict they are. Heck, many people buying drugs on the street do so because a doctor was the one who prescribed it to them and got them hooked in the first place. A herione user is no different than a fentanyl user. The word Heroine just conjures up frightening images. They are all the same drug in the end. And an addict is an addict at the end of the day. it doesn't make them any less of a person. The drug is great. Takes away pain, takes away stress, allows you to relax, calms your mind, heck..what's not to like about it. Especially if you are in need of it. Problem is, like any drug, it's only good for a time. Then it's trouble.

i don't know about you guys but when i think of heroin addict I think of some dirty, nodding walking mess who can't even control their own infantile needs. Prince never gave those signs. It's one of the things that's making it hard to come to terms with how he ended up. Your point is correct though, even after all this fucking time, people still think of prescription drugs and street drugs as totally different. I was shocked when someone said to me last week that if someone was taking pills from a doctor it's different than street drugs. I thought where has this person been? I just hope that doesn't mean their hooked on something which is the first thought that came to my mind, the rationalization.

Alot of what is sold on the street is actually prescription meds. Where I work, patients on opiates sign pain contracts and part of that is a urine test in which they must test positive for opiates. If they don't test positive, their prescriptions are cut off. The reason is that if they don't test positive it is assumed they are not taking the meds, and are probably selling it on the street. Not all herione users present as you describe up there. You have probably talked to someone high and not even known it. Eventually the effect is different, but so is any opiate addict.

[Edited 6/24/16 19:55pm]

He told her: “‘I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, ‘Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.’ And he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that.”

Just heartbreaking

TurnItUp said:

LuxLove said:

My issue with JH talking about this incident is that I do not want to hear details about P almost dying. That is too personal & to me talking about it to the press is highly problematic, especially when there is a tour to promote (look at her twitter which no doubt has had way more hits lately). However the crux of my issue with this is that Prince is not here to tell his side & that is what kills me. Anyone can now say anything & he is not able to agree or dispute it. He's not here. No matter the celebrity, whether I loved or hated them I would've thought a story such as JH's in the manner which it was told was crass because that is just who I am. I can't stand tabloids & I don't feel a need to know everything about the musicians I love, I just love the music. But for sure JH just reminds me that he's gone & I can't believe how badly I miss someone I never knew. I can't imagine how she must feel as someone who actually interacted with him but I still think this is completely wrong & he would hate it. But he's not here to throw shade & that is the worst thing in all of this. He isn't here & I think judging by how I'm now randomly in tears it's just hitting me now

If you got an issue with it get off the GD org! There are people who have said they don't care how he died. I care how he died! I want to know what went wrong even it it doesn't bring him back!

Great advice since I'm not allowed an opinion without being attacked.

nursev said:

LuxLove said:

flipper1960 said:

nursev said:

He told her: “‘I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, ‘Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.’ And he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that.”

Just heartbreaking

To me this is THE most personal sacred moment of his life, and I am pissed and shocked that she would feel this ultra personal information was something appropriate to share. If you were with your person and this happened to you,and then they,not you chose to share your "death" experience with the New York Times ,and the world,how would you feel? betrayed is how I would feel.

I think I wouldve kept it to myself....God I mean its someones personal fight between life and death. Truly sad.

I am sure that I am one of those persons you are referring speaking about it (seizues) and being in denial. I have no issue in educating someone else based about it based on the amount of experience I unfortunately have with it with a family member. I AM NO WAY in denial. It's plain and simple--he had drugs in his body. We know that. It had some effect on him.It may be solely what killed him.

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Could the effect/withdarawal (of drugs)have been increased because he had seizures? (absolutely). Even if he never said he had epilepsy, or if opoids were never mentioned, what Judith described, to me, sounds like sort of brain firing or seizure. I believe it can seem like one of many conditions too. Just like we heard he never stayed overnight beause he was being a DIVA, and turned out to be untrue. Is it OFFICIALLY RELEASED that he was given Narcan at the hospital? I am just curious..I don't remember seeing that. So, OF COURSE I WILL WONDER and be curious.

> Can a seizure look exactly as Judith said? Yes it can. Can it look like a person sleeping and you can't wake them up? Yes...and it can look like alot of other things.

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That being said, it is possible IMO he had the opiods going on, and maybe sone other condition(s) or illness as well, and we will probably never know either. You don't know what made him look 'older' either....Any illness, drug use, medical condtion, or stress or lack of sleep can do that. Drugs people take for condtions can wreak havoc too.

>>I am not a consipracy theorist but I don't just say yes ma'am when I am told something. I am always questioning and thinking- unless I saw or read the reports/autopsy myself.

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Oh well, I guess ignorance is bliss....

GustavoRibas said:

PeteSilas said:

it's not clear to me, dr. drew said that it's not typical for an opiod to cause the fixing of eyes and passing out. I don't know, i've only been around one heroin addict and have seen others who i don't know on the streets. they nod in and out of consciousness, even while standing up. I'm not in denial i'd just be happy with more info but if it doesn't come soon that's ok, it'll come out someday.

Ok, I understand, because it´s still a mystery, but as far as I know, an epileptic attack is not that smooth also (close eyes and pass out in silence). And Prince´s appearance got a lot worse during the last year and half of his life. He aged fast. This isnt caused by epillepsy.

Wasnt the hospital thing registered as Percocet overdose? The fact is that the final exams showed that Prince used legal drugs. And I dont judge him. I feel sorry that he used them for pain and they ended up killing him.

[Edited 6/24/16 19:22pm]

I also have to SMH to those who say she should have kept certian things to herself. If it was someone you cared about on some level, would't it make you feel good to hear that person fought to be back on the Earth? Wouldn't you be happy to share it with others what you knew cared about that person??

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Why is it iany different when JH says it---since clearly Prince was part of our lives for so many years. I don't get it. Had she kept it to herself the same haters would be all over it when they found it she never shared her information.

Quite frankly since Princes death it is sad how people continue to come on here and act like their opinion is Gods word and nobody else can have an damn opinion. We all have them. If you dont like it then by all means LEAVE and dont let the PURPLE DOOR hit you.

KRTREE said:

From Svengali to Drake it just keeps getting better

9 post down lovely