laytonian said:

pruffin said:

Exactly. He was thin and looked tired. The problem is that celebrities often have "friends" that surround them that are on payroll . These "friends" are afraid to question too much of what may be going on around them for fear of losing their jobs. What's up with the chefs? If someone is throwing up and not eating, the only reason you don't address it, is because you are afraid that you'll be fired. Just like Michael Jackson case, I believe this is what ultimately led to Prince's death. I am SO very saddened by this.

The chefs didn't say that.
The "throwing up" came from the same "report" that claimed he only weighed 80 pounds at his death. We know from the autopsy that he was actually within a normal range for his size (113 pounds....33 pounds higher than whoever sold that story to the NE).

ALL the symptoms that have been reported, rightly or wrongly, could be attributed to opioid usage and withdrawal. He went to the doctor on Apr 7th (rather than to Atlanta) to get initial treatment for the opioids. Judith apparently didn't know about that BUT Kirk Johnson did (because he was referred to Kirk's doctor).

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Yes, I agree fully. Also, and this is just my thoughts, I think he was trying on his own to kick an opiate dependency for quite a while prior to his April 7th appointment. Because of the withdrawal symptoms involved, I think he was having a rough time of it, which prompted him to seek medical assistance through Dr. Schulenberg.

NinaB said:

BobGeorge909 said:

Yeah...one day NinaB and me...we'll get funkeeey....


Naw...on the reals.. I hear y'all. I try my best. I connect with people I love in a very satisfying manner. I still fail on occasion as do my loved ones. Best is to like u say, recognize were all human and we can't live for others. Just respect ourselves enuff to allow others to respect us as well.

In that manner, Prince respected his audience and friends to boundless extents. We've all learned unmeasurable amounts and had unmeasurable amounts and f pleasure due to Prince...and what else can u ask from someone. U also have to allow for someone being human and making mistakes. It's so hard tho cuz selfishness takes over...on both ends...and drastically change the story, in more than a million ways. But if it was easy it'd be worthless....DAMNIT!
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...one day...but only if u give this super fine heifer 7 sips of elderberry wine


Yep, we're all a work in progress. Everyones got a tick, some are just better at hiding it is all.

Yeah he brought so much magic in2 our lives. My love & gratitude is forever 4 the funky lil man.

Kara said:

laurarichardson said:

I hate saying this but I have had 3 uncles who die from cancer and that is how they looked in their last days. I also think of the last pics of Bob Marley when he was sick.

That picture was cropped and darkened to look more dramatic. It was originally posted on Prince's instagram... https://www.instagram.com...yNtdbGLXl/

Thanks. I remember pointing that out on his Instagram too. The way they cropped the pic for the article is odd and to me it appears that they darkened it.

BobGeorge909 said:

NinaB said:

...one day...but only if u give this super fine heifer 7 sips of elderberry wine


Yep, we're all a work in progress. Everyones got a tick, some are just better at hiding it is all.

Yeah he brought so much magic in2 our lives. My love & gratitude is forever 4 the funky lil man.

1,2, damn, 3, 4, 5, u r, very, 6, 7, slick.

RachB65 said:

laurarichardson said:

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How was he eating pasta and veggies if he had only been drinking liquids according to the chef?

Could the chef have been lying his ass off. He also said the prepared kale and summer salad as a part of P's dinner those are not solids.

I also remember the promoter of the Atlanta concert saying he left the venue immediatly because he said his stomach was hurting yet he was on the plane eating solids talking and laughing with Judith.

A lot of people were talking out of their ass in the days after he died. I do believe he was taking those pain pills for other issues beyond joint pain but who knows if we will ever find out anything.

Because when his promoter said that P was prob having withdrawal symptoms whereas on the plane he obviously took percs or w/e so his stomach would have felt better, as well as his demeanor, before went unconscious [Edited 6/24/16 13:11pm]

Yes, I think the same.

laurarichardson said:

Kara said:

laurarichardson said: That picture was cropped and darkened to look more dramatic. It was originally posted on Prince's instagram... https://www.instagram.com...yNtdbGLXl/

Picture may have been darkned but that has nothing to do with his face being gaut. We all know that pain meds over time can cause organ failure. He was getting test results from his doctor for something and I believe it was cancer that may progressed or organ failure from taking those meds.

I've seen this brought up many times about Prince getting tests results brought to him by doctor Schulenberg on the morning he died. Very respectfully, I just wanted to mention that Prince was supposed to meet with Kornfeld and another doctor (other than Schulenberg) on that morning to begin treatment through Dr. Kornfeld's program. In order to begin treatment a patient would need the following:

Recent lab work (blood tests, saliva tests, etc.) and relevant medical notes (patient privacy requirements mandate that copies of tests and notes from other physicians can only be released with your written request)

Nutritional supplements you are currently taking

Information and, if possible, the prescriptions bottles for medications you are currently taking or have taken in the recent past

List of symptoms, concerns, and questions


Per Dr. Kornfeld's website: http://recoverywithoutwal...treatment/

This is just my opinion, but I find it highly unlikely that he was getting test results for a terminal illness just exactly on that morning when he was to meet with Kornfeld and the other doctor. It does seem likely, however, that he needed tests done to begin his treatment and that is what Dr. Schulenberg was bringing to Prince.

RachB65 said:

Tresha68 said:

I haven't completely ruled it out in my mind. It's very possible. Or bladder or pancreatic cancer. But the swallowing issues would lead me to believe in could perhaps have been Kaposi Sarcoma. AIDS is not a homosexual disease. It does not discriminate.

Yes i know its not a homosexual disease n doesnt discriminate. Please dont mistake me for being ignorant in that way. I was just saying cuz KS usually affects people with AIDS or very old people...

By NO means was I mistaking you for being ignorant. At all. This is why all the open-ended stories cause so much speculation. It's sad, really. We are all so taken aback by his death, that we just want answers. It's just a gut feeling I have, along with the symptoms that have been reported. They also go with pancreatic cancer.

I find it odd, how he was so jovial on the plane, eating etc. The stories, any of them, do not add up.

It's solely my opinion, but I think he deserves the truth to be known. It's not fair to him for us all to speculate and try to piece things together. Is it our business? No. Would it allow him to rest peacefully? Yes.

I a big cluster f*&k.

terrig said:

endiadj said:

pruffin said: maybe she's telling you just what happened and you're choosing not to believe it. if someone else told you another story that didn't fit a set narrative in your mind, you might not believe that one either. face it, you weren't there. you have no idea what happened, so whatever anyone tells you, unless it jives with what you made up in your mind that went down, you won't believe it. seems that way with quite a few folks on this sight. i have no reason to question her since she was on the plane and around him for a few years prior and i wasn't. the two others on the plane haven't combated her story.

i agree alot of it sounds made up. there are plenty of reasons to question her veracity exactly BECAUSE THE OTHER TWO HAVE SAID NOTHING....and in fact everyone really close at the time has said nothing.

and if you even look at it in the context of mayte and mani - and what they have said or not said over the years....judth hills statements dont sound like they came from Prince, because NO ONE went there with details like that ...and they didnt because there was no need to question who was close and whether they were or not. judith is trying to prove she was the number one chick in the harem. like a teenager who got dissed ...its immature and everything you dont do when involved in the inner circle of celebrity.

TopazGirl said:

Kara said:

laurarichardson said: That picture was cropped and darkened to look more dramatic. It was originally posted on Prince's instagram... https://www.instagram.com...yNtdbGLXl/

Thanks. I remember pointing that out on his Instagram too. The way they cropped the pic for the article is odd and to me it appears that they darkened it.

I just wanna point out I didn't edit that photo, but either way it doesn't really effect how he looks as far as in the eyes and just his face in general. That ain't age either.

that's a great pic of Prince, one of the few where he looks like he's a serious artist rather than a popstar. Only evidence I can see that he might be ill is the cheeks, prince always had some cheeks.

Judith has the rare distinction to have worked with BOTH Michael Jackson & Prince during their final projects.

ACharmed1 said:

TopazGirl said:

Thanks. I remember pointing that out on his Instagram too. The way they cropped the pic for the article is odd and to me it appears that they darkened it.

I just wanna point out I didn't edit that photo, but either way it doesn't really effect how he looks as far as in the eyes and just his face in general. That ain't age either.

Hey ACharmed1, I'm confused by your reply. I just mentioned that the photo seemed edited by whoever did the article as I did see the photo in the orginal article and it is the same dark, cropped picture that is posted here in this thread. Unless you are the photograher who took that picture or someone who did the article and you want to point out my mistake in saying the photo looks edited? (that is an honest question) Maybe I'm reading your reply wrong too. If so, my apologies.

that's what it sounded like to me too, I think they misinterpreted it.

PeteSilas said:

that's what it sounded like to me too, I think they misinterpreted it.

Who? Me or they? Or both? lol

PeteSilas said:

whoever you were writing to.

Ok, thank you.

I'm so glad she spoke on this! It brought some peace and to hell with anybody that opposes it!

I was listening to podcastjuice with Michael Dean it was part 1 one month later..On it he had two women that were Prince fans who attend Paisley Park one them said Judith didn't have to say anything. She can say whatever the hell she wants as long as it's not damaging his reputation.

I get it. We want to protect Prince's legacy and so do I. But this is a woman that has experienced not one but two of the biggest icons on the planet deaths and it's happened on her watch. We don't have to deal with that. She does.

PS. I'm also glad they mentioned that shot was called Narcan. I was sick and tired of hearing this so called "save shot".

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1Sasha said:

Tresha68 said:

I've said it over and over....my educated guess is Kaposi Sarcoma, oral. Yep, that's my guess.

Prince's chef said he was having difficulty swallowing/eating due to throat and stomach pains, and that he had requested liquid and/or more easily swallowed meals for MONTHS. They were eating pasta and vegetables on the plane? And after two years she didn't notice his change in appearance? I noticed it in photos and when he was on TV last fall. How blind were these people around him, not just JH?

When you are with someone on a daily basis, and the change occurs slowly over time, you will notice those changes as easily as someone who is not around that person on a daily basis and sees an abrupt change from how they last saw them to how they see them after that time has passed.

TopazGirl said:

LuxLove said:

My issue with JH talking about this incident is that I do not want to hear details about P almost dying. That is too personal & to me talking about it to the press is highly problematic, especially when there is a tour to promote (look at her twitter which no doubt has had way more hits lately). However the crux of my issue with this is that Prince is not here to tell his side & that is what kills me. Anyone can now say anything & he is not able to agree or dispute it. He's not here. No matter the celebrity, whether I loved or hated them I would've thought a story such as JH's in the manner which it was told was crass because that is just who I am. I can't stand tabloids & I don't feel a need to know everything about the musicians I love, I just love the music. But for sure JH just reminds me that he's gone & I can't believe how badly I miss someone I never knew. I can't imagine how she must feel as someone who actually interacted with him but I still think this is completely wrong & he would hate it. But he's not here to throw shade & that is the worst thing in all of this. He isn't here & I think judging by how I'm now randomly in tears it's just hitting me now

If you got an issue with it get off the GD org! There are people who have said they don't care how he died. I care how he died! I want to know what went wrong even it it doesn't bring him back!

wildgoldenhoney said:

U know, I was thinking - she only gave us one bit of information, if she told us about the plane incident, she should have told us about the WHOLE story such as the weeks leading up to the incident and I heard that she omitted some medical info or something. Tired of trying to PIECE TOGETHER the story. JUST GIVE IT ALL TO US SO WE CAN LAY IT TO REST AND MOVE ON! . [Edited 6/24/16 18:23pm]

Is there still an investigation going on?

wildgoldenhoney said:

Well I finally had the time to listen to the podcast. It seems like she 'kinda' thought she was dating Prince. But she wasn't sure so she never directly said that she was only that they were very close maybe thinking that people can 'think' that they were dating also. But she was mistaking his interest in her as something more. But I ain't mad at her. Just saying that sure they were close, that's because he was mentoring her and they were around each other alot. But she still didn't know some things about him such as his pain nor that he was seeing someone fo real.

The P she saw was the P who was obviously hiding infirmities and in pain for so many years that she'd have seen no difference.

I think he was her Svengali.

She's lost without him because he got rid of her record contract....which made sense to them when they were together, but not now.

Reading some comments, I am surprised that there are some people thinking it could be epilepsy, and such, what happened in that plane. It´s complete state of denial!
I mean, dont get me wrong. I dont judge Prince for his use of opioids and I will never see him as a junkie who got addicted to recreational drugs. I see his addiction as a response to hip pain, because of years of dance moves on stage. But it seems clear that it was an OD in the plane.

if anyone still thinks they really need a record contract then they are brainwashed. hard to say in this business but she's in a more favorable position than 99.9 percent of musicians so she should just keep working.

GustavoRibas said:

Reading some comments, I am surprised that there are some people thinking it could be epilepsy, and such, what happened in that plane. It´s complete state of denial!
I mean, dont get me wrong. I dont judge Prince for his use of opioids and I will never see him as a junkie who got addicted to recreational drugs. I see his addiction as a response to hip pain, because of years of dance moves on stage. But it seems clear that it was an OD in the plane.

it's not clear to me, dr. drew said that it's not typical for an opiod to cause the fixing of eyes and passing out. I don't know, i've only been around one heroin addict and have seen others who i don't know on the streets. they nod in and out of consciousness, even while standing up. I'm not in denial i'd just be happy with more info but if it doesn't come soon that's ok, it'll come out someday.

Goddess4Real said: