disch said:

My issue with JH talking about this incident is that I do not want to hear details about P almost dying. That is too personal & to me talking about it to the press is highly problematic, especially when there is a tour to promote (look at her twitter which no doubt has had way more hits lately). However the crux of my issue with this is that Prince is not here to tell his side & that is what kills me. Anyone can now say anything & he is not able to agree or dispute it. He's not here. No matter the celebrity, whether I loved or hated them I would've thought a story such as JH's in the manner which it was told was crass because that is just who I am. I can't stand tabloids & I don't feel a need to know everything about the musicians I love, I just love the music. But for sure JH just reminds me that he's gone & I can't believe how badly I miss someone I never knew. I can't imagine how she must feel as someone who actually interacted with him but I still think this is completely wrong & he would hate it. But he's not here to throw shade & that is the worst thing in all of this. He isn't here & I think judging by how I'm now randomly in tears it's just hitting me now

laurarichardson said:

blue22 said:

Yes I have. If you have a next of kin, this should be discussed with them. They make a decision on your behalf knowing your views and wishes. In fact this is discussed before the surgery.

I only have my own views based upon the facts and knowledge I've gained and my loved ones have experienced. We are not helpless. Family and friends are everything. They act on your behalv if you are unable to do so. You can even appoint someone legally to do that for you regarding health and welfare or property and finance.

Education is a beautiful thing. And so is experience.

/// No hospital is going to bring you out of surgery and not give you an IV drip with pain medication. No person on this earth is going to be able to take it once the anathesia wears off you are in terrible pain. You are talking about your relatives not yourself so you have no idea. Next I guess people can have surgery that should not have anathesia or are raving drug addictfor taking an aspirin. I was asked if I wanted a upper epidural when I was pregnate but that was it. It is not about education it is about comfort and recovery. Once again if you have not been there silence is golden. [Edited 6/24/16 9:26am]

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You are sadly mistaken again. I said I was speaking from my own experience as well as my loved ones. So I do 'have an idea'.

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We are never going to agree on this one because I clearly have different experiences and different legal experience than you have. Also you are ignoring that legally you have to comply with people's wishes and views. For instance, certain religions don't allow certain things.

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Is is possible that you can accept that people will have different experiences and views. Because I can see that you have argued against alot of other people's experiences on here as well.

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Its OK to have had different experiences.

jumanji2016 said:

blue22 said:

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You were the one who are attacking people saying they don't read, just because they disagree with you.

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Get over yourself. And others.

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There are too many other things to think about in life besides me. But you just can't help yourself can you?

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Just ignore me and my posts and it sounds like you just may have a happier life. Lets see how long you can bear that.

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Freakin' weirdo. I wasn't talking to you, but you insist on feeling targeted. You must be guilty of saying stupid shit on the Internet, as evidenced by some of your exchanges with others on this page. LOL. Get help. Next time, don't bark until I pull your chain. [Edited 6/24/16 10:13am]

There you go. I knew you couldn't ignore me. I must be a superstar. I accept the applause.

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If you weren't talking to me you should not have replied under my quote.

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Goodbye, good luck, and good riddance.

Blakbear said:

blue22 said:

I think you have misinterpreted my very matter-of-fact view that any pharmaceutical that alters a persons chemical or neurological functioning, be it street or prescribed, is 'drug use.

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I have no proof from any of those doctors that Prince was taking anything for pain management. This is all assumed from people gathering information from various souces 'reporting' that Prince was in pain.

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If someone has proof from the doctor that Prince was using any drug for pain management, then please post it up real quick.

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Except for one tiny problem: No ethical doctor is going to release that to the public, so naturally there's no 'proof'. Doctors have rules regarding patent confidentiality, you know. At most, they'd discuss things with investigators, but not the media at large.

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But of course, unless it was a public trial. My comments are to those who are assuming things. Many, many things have been reported.

Tresha68 said:

blue22 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

StephanieThePisces said:

Interestingly, after two months of posting incessently about "Penguin" and little stories about their very Disney, cutesy "romance", she (ironically) retweeted the Damaris and Kiran tweets about respecting Prince's privacy and keeping quiet about him and in the last day or two hasn't posted really anything about him at all.

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A lot of what she says and claims doesn't add up, and even seemingly mundane remarks she makes about the weather in MN (I live in the Twin Cities as well) often don't match up with what the actual weather here IS that day. I obviously have no proof but I suspect she doesn't even live here in Minnesota.

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Also interesting to note that on another site she describes herself in her bio as "an actress, writer, director, and visionary." I feel like this whole Twitter thing about she and Prince being in love, and all those fairytale romance anecdotes she was posting, was some kind of performance art.

But what would say?!

I want Judith Hill to go away. I don't like that she gave this interiew. A lot of it sounds made up to be honest. I am ripped to pieces by Prince's sudden death and I would like to know exactly what happened. I don't want to hear a love struck school girl version of what kinda maybe happened or some cryptic messages on social media. Please stop.

ACharmed1 said:

No matter what, Judith Hill is going to live with what happened on that plane and the event that happened just a few days later. It's going to haunt her and I feel for her on that, but she has to lay in the bed she made. Having said that it seems to me she just didn't try hard enough to help him. Everyone around him said how he never complained or asked for help or pushed ppl away, it never occured to anyone to not take "no" or "I don't need help" as an answer? No man is an island. It's easy to sit here and say what I would've done but seriously if things went down like what she said on the plane with "Fixed eyes" that'd been it for me. I'd have asked Kirk to let me talk to him alone and make it clear to P that in light of what just happend I'm clearing my schedule and I'm gonna be Ur shadow until we get U straight. P could have dismissed me from his life in doing such a thing but atleast I'd have fought for him and with him. It makes me wonder if the reason why so many close to him didn't challenge him if they felt in their gut something was wrong, was for fear that they'd fall out of the Purple Paradise. A lot of these girls relied on him for their very livlihood as Judith pointed out she leaned on him hard and now she's on her own. For all the shoulda, woulda, coulda's, in this bottom line is there is no good, no silver lining. I just can't understand how everyone who was so close to him swears up and down there wasn't a single cause for concern leading up to this. If U look at photos of him at the Aussie shows and the final US shows U can see it written all over his face.

Exactly. He was thin and looked tired. The problem is that celebrities often have "friends" that surround them that are on payroll . These "friends" are afraid to question too much of what may be going on around them for fear of losing their jobs. What's up with the chefs? If someone is throwing up and not eating, the only reason you don't address it, is because you are afraid that you'll be fired. Just like Michael Jackson case, I believe this is what ultimately led to Prince's death. I am SO very saddened by this.

pruffin said:

Exactly. He was thin and looked tired. The problem is that celebrities often have "friends" that surround them that are on payroll . These "friends" are afraid to question too much of what may be going on around them for fear of losing their jobs. What's up with the chefs? If someone is throwing up and not eating, the only reason you don't address it, is because you are afraid that you'll be fired. Just like Michael Jackson case, I believe this is what ultimately led to Prince's death. I am SO very saddened by this.

The chefs didn't say that.
The "throwing up" came from the same "report" that claimed he only weighed 80 pounds at his death. We know from the autopsy that he was actually within a normal range for his size (113 pounds....33 pounds higher than whoever sold that story to the NE).

ALL the symptoms that have been reported, rightly or wrongly, could be attributed to opioid usage and withdrawal. He went to the doctor on Apr 7th (rather than to Atlanta) to get initial treatment for the opioids. Judith apparently didn't know about that BUT Kirk Johnson did (because he was referred to Kirk's doctor).

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pruffin said:

avajane said:

Tresha68 said:

That's the point I was trying to make. THANK YOU! Prince liked them young. Sheila and Denise were the last, to my knowledge, women that were in his age group. They proved too much for him, harder to control and mold. I stand with my opinion, I think Judith was reading more into the relationship. Hell, with a picture of him, you would think he was "yours". It was a quality, that looking back, bit so many young impressionable ladies in the ass.

I think of Prince and Judith, in her early 30's and my husband and his daughter in her early 30's and I am sorry.....I believe age is only a number, but my husband is 59 and his daughter 33. Prince loved women.

Do I believe he was celibate? NOPE. I actually feel for Judith. Prince has screwed up too many young girls minds. In a way, it was self serving. Now, Judith is left to pick up the pieces like so many other young girls who thought they were his. It's a quality I never appreciated in him, for being a "religious" man he often acted against what he claimed his beliefs were.

I am not one of his fans that worship him and see him as a God. There's a lot of things about him that piss me off. Don't get me wrong, I ADORE him, I just see him as a man. Perhaps, my post came across as bashing Judith and that is not how it was intended. This child's mind is now fucked. There are people acusing her of his death through not doing enough.

Prince was a puppet master and young girls were his puppets. Without the "break-up" or becoming tired of all the other women, Judith now has to carry this in her heart the rest of her life. Perhaps the other girls were just happy to be a part of him, it seems she fell hard. She seems naive in many aspects for actually being in the industry.

Had she not relied on him so much for her career goals, she wouldn't need to use him to promote herself. Hmmm, now that I think of it, why not?

Adore Prince and his talent, he was a musical God. But, I see him as a deeply flawed and scarred man. It wasn't right for him to lead all these women on, and I will stand by that comment no matter how pissed off others get.

He died in '96 when his son died and when he allowed his marraige to die. I believe, in my heart, he NEVER allowed himself to ever be that open or honest with a woman again. Hence, the puppet master scenario. Had he been a man and allowed Mayte to help him through this and vice versa, I think his life would have flourished instead of haunted him.

Now, Judith will be forever haunted. I hope she finds a young man to treat her right, to love her unconditionally and only her. I don't hate the child, I actually feel for her. Plus, she's getting shit from his other ladies as well. As if, they are fighting for who he "loved" more. It's sad to me, the entire scenario.

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Yeah, but Judith isn't a young girl necessarily. I believe she's 30 yrs old and that's pretty grown up. The last time I've been easily led by a guy was when I was 18 yrs old, that's 7 yrs ago. When a man tells you that he wants to be the only person you think about, ladies that's a warning for you to get out and run.

ya, that's what I thought too, that Judith was a little older than he usually liked them. and ya, sadly, lots of men fuck with women's heads. I fell for an 18 year old when I was in my thirties, my biggest fear was taking advantage of her youth whether I wanted to or not, she was almost like a 12 year old so I backed off. but some men exploit that, sad but true.

Tresha68 said:

laurarichardson said:

yzarcog99 said:

RachB65 said:

Tresha68 said:

I've said it over and over....my educated guess is Kaposi Sarcoma, oral. Yep, that's my guess.

He wasnt eating much because his stomach was upset, according to his chef, and that is a zymptom of opiate withdrawal. If ur saying he has KS tban u may as well b saying he had AIDS...

dr. drew was saying one symptom of hiv/aids is that the esophogus gets infected or sore making it painful to swallow. he was going off what his chef had said about smoothies/soups and his statements about how he was eating. I'm not familiar with the aids symptom he was speaking of, even though my sister had aids, I'm aware that they do get thrush which is some kind of yeast infection in the mouth but I don't think it's the same. either way, it looks as though he may have had another condition, maybe stomach cancer.

also, kaposi's sarcoma, from what I remember was only had by gay men who were the reciever of sex, I forget the reason for that. and it shows with splotches on the skin. Prince did not have splotches that were visible. However he did cover up a lot during the last couple months.

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i just don't get why so many people are mad at her when we knew most of this and she didn't really disclose much.

RachB65 said:

BobGeorge909 said:

yzarcog99 said:

Is that really how drug overdoses can look? I've never heard of anyone carrying on a conversation and eating, then suddenly checking out like that in mid-conversation--not as part of a drug overdose in which no obvious drug use was taking place (like as in plain sight)... Anyone have any background knowledge about how that works or length of time between taking a med and simply dying?

When I was loaded enuff to pass out, I assure u, people knew I was loaded. I was not speaking coherently, behaving appropriately, and then suddenly konking out. But this is not said to blame Judith. I go through terrible bouts of guilt occasionally for the situation I put my loved ones in, in terms of the things they were forced to witness because of my recklessness. I get the pain and sympathy angle, I don't doubt that Prince was in pain. I have legitimate sources of real pain in my life. Regardless, I don't doubt that Prince wasn't behaving recklessly, as i was. It makes me angry because to an extent, as I was behaving selfishly, so was Prince. One doesn't die from an opiate OD bcuz of rational behaviors. Addiction's a reeeal motherfucker, it truly is... but it doesn't absolve u of responsibility to your loved ones. Ultimately it's also confusing. I know that I was, am, and will be capable of making the right decision in regards to opiates. And I know that Prince was capable of making the right decision. What factors lead him not to? I don't know. But I am certain that spreading any perceptible blame to other people in his life is wrong. I feel ashamed because I never thought i would be able to identify with my Hero in this manner....

that's what i'm having big problems with, no one seems to be able to say he was out of it or nodding off or anything. I just don't think this is a typical od of a rockstar. either judith is lying or she is telling the truth and if she's telling the truth then it's not drugs that made him go unconscious or at least not drugs alone.

Blakbear said:

blue22 said:

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But of course, unless it was a public trial. My comments are to those who are assuming things. Many, many things have been reported.

Of course -- they're legally inpelled at that point. But before then, of course not, unless they want to lose their license. And also, as far as I recall of my very distant human medical training, you can indeed refuse certain medication, including post op meds. Now, most docs won't want to not give them, but one can indeed refuse sny medical treatment they want, like it or not. This is where a lot of orgers are having problems, because, honestly they're coming from a good place and don't WANT to think of Prince suffering. Personally I do yhink there was some shit going on we don't know about. What, I don't know, but the man did ping as 'sick' to me over the last few pics, because I hadn't seen recent pics of hin until I got here. I'm just at the point where I am like, "He's not suffering anymore." Damn if him talking about it being hard to go back into his body being hard didn't make me wince, though. Poor guy.

That is a very comforting thought (bolded above). Thanks for that.

BobGeorge909 said:

yzarcog99 said:

Is that really how drug overdoses can look? I've never heard of anyone carrying on a conversation and eating, then suddenly checking out like that in mid-conversation--not as part of a drug overdose in which no obvious drug use was taking place (like as in plain sight)... Anyone have any background knowledge about how that works or length of time between taking a med and simply dying?

When I was loaded enuff to pass out, I assure u, people knew I was loaded. I was not speaking coherently, behaving appropriately, and then suddenly konking out. But this is not said to blame Judith. I go through terrible bouts of guilt occasionally for the situation I put my loved ones in, in terms of the things they were forced to witness because of my recklessness. I get the pain and sympathy angle, I don't doubt that Prince was in pain. I have legitimate sources of real pain in my life. Regardless, I don't doubt that Prince wasn't behaving recklessly, as i was. It makes me angry because to an extent, as I was behaving selfishly, so was Prince. One doesn't die from an opiate OD bcuz of rational behaviors. Addiction's a reeeal motherfucker, it truly is... but it doesn't absolve u of responsibility to your loved ones. Ultimately it's also confusing. I know that I was, am, and will be capable of making the right decision in regards to opiates. And I know that Prince was capable of making the right decision. What factors lead him not to? I don't know. But I am certain that spreading any perceptible blame to other people in his life is wrong. I feel ashamed because I never thought i would be able to identify with my Hero in this manner....

no don't. you're human and having a human experience. we all falls down i'm just sad to hear you describe so personally the suffering prince likely felt. peace to both of you

All of this (the loss of Prince and the endless intrusive speculation) has made me certain of one thing--I will never invest so personally in a musical artist (or otherwise) ever again.

pruffin said:

Exactly. He was thin and looked tired. The problem is that celebrities often have "friends" that surround them that are on payroll . These "friends" are afraid to question too much of what may be going on around them for fear of losing their jobs. What's up with the chefs? If someone is throwing up and not eating, the only reason you don't address it, is because you are afraid that you'll be fired. Just like Michael Jackson case, I believe this is what ultimately led to Prince's death. I am SO very saddened by this.

The chefs didn't say that.
The "throwing up" came from the same "report" that claimed he only weighed 80 pounds at his death. We know from the autopsy that he was actually within a normal range for his size (113 pounds....33 pounds higher than whoever sold that story to the NE).

ALL the symptoms that have been reported, rightly or wrongly, could be attributed to opioid usage and withdrawal. He went to the doctor on Apr 7th (rather than to Atlanta) to get initial treatment for the opioids. Judith apparently didn't know about that BUT Kirk Johnson did (because he was referred to Kirk's doctor).

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If you think 112 lbs is any better for an adult male then.

blue22 said:

laurarichardson said:

Have you ever been in the hospital for anything serious? I have had two major surgeries when you come out of surgery you are giving pain medication thru your i.v. you do not have a choice because you unconsious.

When you leave you are given paid meds some of which now a days are too powerful for most people to use more than a day or two. We know from the autosy that he had some procedure on his legs and I am thinking that is when his trouble started. I had so much pain before I went into surgery that I was begging for something to knock me out or I was going to run my head into a wall. After the surgery I was on percocet and I needed it. I was on sick leave and not working Prince was working the whole time this stuff was going on. I firmly believe he was using this stuff to keep working he was in no why a crackhead in the gutter.

I also believe he kept his problem a secret because of the stigma your type of thinking puts on people. People with medical problems and pain management issues are not crack heads!!!! Dude did not have the history or erractic behavior of a recreational drug user but he did have the work ethic of a bulll. Show me a street level addict and I will show you a person not motivated to work since drugs are being taken for fun not need to get from A to B.

Yes I have. If you have a next of kin, this should be discussed with them. They make a decision on your behalf knowing your views and wishes. In fact this is discussed before the surgery.

I only have my own views based upon the facts and knowledge I've gained and my loved ones have experienced. We are not helpless. Family and friends are everything. They act on your behalv if you are unable to do so. You can even appoint someone legally to do that for you regarding health and welfare or property and finance.

Education is a beautiful thing. And so is experience.

Did you have your surgery without anaesthetic then, Blue? Just curious...Anaesthetic is also a form of pain relief and a means of altering the state of consciousness. It just seems to me that you have a strange attitude to pain relief (and, presumably, anaesthesia) given as part of surgical treatment!

blue22 said:

Blakbear said:

blue22 said: Of course -- they're legally inpelled at that point. But before then, of course not, unless they want to lose their license. And also, as far as I recall of my very distant human medical training, you can indeed refuse certain medication, including post op meds. Now, most docs won't want to not give them, but one can indeed refuse sny medical treatment they want, like it or not. This is where a lot of orgers are having problems, because, honestly they're coming from a good place and don't WANT to think of Prince suffering. Personally I do yhink there was some shit going on we don't know about. What, I don't know, but the man did ping as 'sick' to me over the last few pics, because I hadn't seen recent pics of hin until I got here. I'm just at the point where I am like, "He's not suffering anymore." Damn if him talking about it being hard to go back into his body being hard didn't make me wince, though. Poor guy.

That is a very comforting thought (bolded above). Thanks for that.

You're welcome. I hope it helps you out.

And also, go watch some awesome Prince vids. Personally, I suggest Violet the Organ Grinder video. It's just wierd enough to be very distracting.

Tresha68 said:

XxAxX said:

endiadj said:

pruffin said:

I want Judith Hill to go away. I don't like that she gave this interiew. A lot of it sounds made up to be honest. I am ripped to pieces by Prince's sudden death and I would like to know exactly what happened. I don't want to hear a love struck school girl version of what kinda maybe happened or some cryptic messages on social media. Please stop.

maybe she's telling you just what happened and you're choosing not to believe it. if someone else told you another story that didn't fit a set narrative in your mind, you might not believe that one either. face it, you weren't there. you have no idea what happened, so whatever anyone tells you, unless it jives with what you made up in your mind that went down, you won't believe it. seems that way with quite a few folks on this sight. i have no reason to question her since she was on the plane and around him for a few years prior and i wasn't. the two others on the plane haven't combated her story.

i agree alot of it sounds made up. there are plenty of reasons to question her veracity exactly BECAUSE THE OTHER TWO HAVE SAID NOTHING....and in fact everyone really close at the time has said nothing.

and if you even look at it in the context of mayte and mani - and what they have said or not said over the years....judth hills statements dont sound like they came from Prince, because NO ONE went there with details like that ...and they didnt because there was no need to question who was close and whether they were or not. judith is trying to prove she was the number one chick in the harem. like a teenager who got dissed ...its immature and everything you dont do when involved in the inner circle of celebrity.

NinaB said:

XxAxX said:

BobGeorge909 said:

yzarcog99 said:

Is that really how drug overdoses can look? I've never heard of anyone carrying on a conversation and eating, then suddenly checking out like that in mid-conversation--not as part of a drug overdose in which no obvious drug use was taking place (like as in plain sight)... Anyone have any background knowledge about how that works or length of time between taking a med and simply dying?

When I was loaded enuff to pass out, I assure u, people knew I was loaded. I was not speaking coherently, behaving appropriately, and then suddenly konking out. But this is not said to blame Judith. I go through terrible bouts of guilt occasionally for the situation I put my loved ones in, in terms of the things they were forced to witness because of my recklessness. I get the pain and sympathy angle, I don't doubt that Prince was in pain. I have legitimate sources of real pain in my life. Regardless, I don't doubt that Prince wasn't behaving recklessly, as i was. It makes me angry because to an extent, as I was behaving selfishly, so was Prince. One doesn't die from an opiate OD bcuz of rational behaviors. Addiction's a reeeal motherfucker, it truly is... but it doesn't absolve u of responsibility to your loved ones. Ultimately it's also confusing. I know that I was, am, and will be capable of making the right decision in regards to opiates. And I know that Prince was capable of making the right decision. What factors lead him not to? I don't know. But I am certain that spreading any perceptible blame to other people in his life is wrong. I feel ashamed because I never thought i would be able to identify with my Hero in this manner....

no don't. you're human and having a human experience. we all falls down i'm just sad to hear you describe so personally the suffering prince likely felt. peace to both of you

I went thru what your loved ones went thru. Don't be too rough on yourself there Bob, you stopped putting them & u thru it, you're alive, many aren't. Still got time 2 make some nice memories with them. And yes, addiction ain't no fuckin joke.

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BobGeorge909 said:

NinaB said:

I went thru what your loved ones went thru. Don't be too rough on yourself there Bob, you stopped putting them & u thru it, you're alive, many aren't. Still got time 2 make some nice memories with them. And yes, addiction ain't no fuckin joke.

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Yeah...one day NinaB and me...we'll get funkeeey....


Naw...on the reals.. I hear y'all. I try my best. I connect with people I love in a very satisfying manner. I still fail on occasion as do my loved ones. Best is to like u say, recognize were all human and we can't live for others. Just respect ourselves enuff to allow others to respect us as well.

In that manner, Prince respected his audience and friends to boundless extents. We've all learned unmeasurable amounts and had unmeasurable amounts and f pleasure due to Prince...and what else can u ask from someone. U also have to allow for someone being human and making mistakes. It's so hard tho cuz selfishness takes over...on both ends...and drastically change the story, in more than a million ways. But if it was easy it'd be worthless....DAMNIT!
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