ACharmed1 said:

jumanji2016 said:

He does look sad. Wasn't he in Australia around the time Vanity died? He didn't look like he felt too great at the Warriors game, either in March. The one convincing recent picture I can say that I have seen is the passport photo. Other than that, he looked a bit restless. Poor baby.

Yeah he was in Australia when she passed, and that was an emotionally driven show by all accounts. This is the last photo his photographer Justine Walpole took of him.

Some could say it could have been a not so good shot, but this isnt the Prince I was used to see.

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RachB65 said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

this part of the article was somewhat comforting to me because i have heard of and read of several similar situations where a person has a near death experience and then returns for a few days and then passes on, without any drugs being involved. So this helped me fit prince's story into a deeper archetypal "nde followed soon by transition" experience that seems to happen in all kinds of diverse situations.

This was comfortimg to me also...ive read alot about the near death experience(NDE)...Its quite a common occurrence...What comforta me that most people who have had one are not subsequently afraid of dying...in fact, many look forward to it afterward but not usually to the point of wanting to die or commit suicide or anything..He may have been given the knowledge that if he got back in his body then he would have more time to get his life together...Perhaps he was "informed" that he would die soon anyway..hence the remark "wait a few days for prayers"...Sadly i think he was maybe given this second chance but for whatever reason was not able use it to his advantage. Maybe he saw a glimpse of the afterlife and realized he was ready for it so did not fear what was to come...So he just "gave up", did what he wanted(continued the painkillers..maybe even decided to get fentanyl to turn things up a notch)...I dont remember now where i read it but wasnt the plane incident revealed as an overdose of percoset(oxycodone)?..Which would mean maybe he never had even taken fentanyl before the plane incident...And going thru a brutal opiate withdrawal after the narcan shot made him extremely vulnerable to another OD. Fentanyl would have been a loaded gun... Judith's account of this makes me believe that night in the elevator he was not "alone" and did not fear his demise...Hence the rainbow over PP the night of his passing...This is what comforts me.

one thing the rainbow reminded me of was, sometime last year prince posted a recording of one of his paisley concerts where he covered the waterboys "the whole of the moon" with many lyric changes and one of them was "you saw the rainbow, but i held it in my hand"

• one thing i would like clarified again, sorry because i probably overlooked it, but regarding the "save shot", would that have really affected his body's response to new doses of opioids 5 or 6 days later?
• and a few questions for those who have seizures or know someone who does. i will google it if i must but prefer to ask here first do you recall being able to hear peoples voices far away during the seizure? do drug-related seizures mainly happen to people who already have a history of seizures, or to anyone, and are 'fixed eyes' a symptom of epileptic as well as drug-related seizures?
• telling himself to "follow the voices" made me think he wanted to get back, if only for 'a few days'
• it just seems like the plane incident may have been a drug-induced seizure instead of an OD, if there is a difference? if P had been having any seizures in recent years, surely at least Kirk would have known about it.
• i think the timing of this article is appropriate. definitely had to wait until after things settled after the official results were released. and she is literally the only one with these pieces of this puzzling night. it's really just a confession of what she witnessed, i'm sure in hindsight she wished she had done more. i wish i had declared a fast but i wanted to believe 'just the flu'. i think the purpose of her saying she spent half of the past 2 years with prince is because thats a significant amount of time to have some insight into a person's behavior.
• but unless there is a superdeep conspiracy here, everyones part in this seems to be without malice, even if it was a seizure that he would have recovered from if they had been looking away and just thought he was napping, and an unneeded save shot caused what would have been a safe dose a few days later to become an overdose

StephanieThePisces said:

batman89 said:

Stephanie...you are indeed right. I just recalled the tweet itself as I posted, but not the original source.

It's an easy thing to do - so many media outlets, even our local news here in the MPLS area, reported that tweet as being made by Prince so everything gets so jumbled up. And (imo) Twitter is confusing as it is with trying to figure out what's a retweet and who actually wrote what with all the strings of "@whoever@someotherperson@somebodyelse". argh!

yet i had wondered if he retweeted the last part of the tweet separately to emphasize it as something he also felt. seems like he did that sometimes?

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Must-listen. The reporter who interviewed Judith Hill gives an almost 30-minute interview.

Prince loved Juidith's father and even gave her money so he could have some "fly" clothing to wear during his performances. (One performance was at Paisley.)

After listening to this, I think he was making good plans for the future AND I truly believe this was a good relationship for him.

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LISTEN HERE:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/arts/music/prince-judith-hill-plane-popcast.html

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laytonian said:

yzarcog99 said:

vandeluca said:

Epilepsy is such a tricky condition they don't fully understand. It is one of those things...It can ALWAYS come back decades later. They tell you you are cured..but I don't think it ever really is. I never tust it.

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There are seizures triggers such as lack of sleep, stress, drugs, alchohol that can make one more prone to a seizure (if you have epilspsy). Most important, people think seizures are just shaking...they are not. They can be eye fixation, eye deviation, lip smacking, etc. All kinds of odd behaviors like one is in a zone. And they can last a long time...

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I always wondered from the get go if his past epielpsy had something to do in all of this..I have never seen a person having an overdose, but I have seen people having seizures just like Judith described. I don't know though why Narcan would be invovled for a seiuzre...

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As far as being conscious or unconcious while getting off a plane--seizures take a ton of energy out of the body. Afterwards, the person is seemingly 'unconscious' and once that wears off, (they sleep it off) which can take a few hours, they can appear normal again....

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Personally, I would not be surprised if his death was related to both the opoid and somehow seizure issue intertwined. Seizure death doesn't usually make it in the autopsy report..

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Amen...I have had a seizure that put me straight down, out like a light, as an adult. Completely out of nowhere. I do have to say that I don't recall hearing anyone or anything going on around me. Don't even remember it all, honestly. But everyone's experience is different and people can die from a seizure. It is a disruption of your bodies electrical system. Your heart can stop. That's why the "7" video always freaked me out a little--like going down in a seizure!

thank you for your insights here. have they mentioned anywhere what his breathing and heartbeat were like, aside from him being unresponsive?

• sorry this is way out there, but i wonder if the being in the plane had anything at all to do with.... anything... and what the weather was like, would be so weird if it were connected to his unique sensitivity to some solar storm or something.

just wanted to thank u 4 this

benni said:

Regarding Judith, imagine being on that plane with him and watching this man who is loved the world over suddenly lose consciousness like that and being unable to revive him. That would be extremely traumatic. Some people clam up when they experience a trauma and some people need to talk about it, because keeping it buried inside just eats them up. Now, imagine that you are watching the after-math, all the rumors circulating, and while you know this person was very private, you also know that he was very protective of his image. What is least damaging to that image, coming out with what you witnessed, hopefully putting a rest to some of those rumors, or keeping your mouth shut?

Yes, Prince was very private, but he was very protective of his image. I think had he been around to hear all of these rumors, he would have been the first to address them and point out the error in those rumors (perhaps through a song).

So what have we learned from what Judith stated? 1. he realized there was a problem and was willing to seek out help 2. he was not a typical addict (if he was addicted), as he was able to hold in-depth conversations, and make sense, "was quick on his feet", never complained of the pain, and was essentially functioning as he always did, since no one seemed aware that he was on any pain medication which might indicate a dependency due to pain, not a full-blown addiction 3. that he hid the pain he was in, meaning that those that say they never saw him take pain medication were being truthful and that there may not have been a way for any one to know what was really going on with him 4. that he was protective of his image ("he was always dressed up, always, always") and we can surmise that he would want to continue to protect that image 5. that he did remain at the hospital until the morning hours, when it's been reported that he refused to stay 6. that he was in a peaceful mood 7. that he wanted to be here, fought to come back.

This dispells the rumors that he wanted to die. It dispells the rumors that he was just another typical drug addicted rock star. It dispells the rumors that he didn't know about the pain management doctor.

thank u 4 seeing this

MMJas said:

Prince was a gentleman. He treated women in a manner that it sure must have been impossible not to fall in love with the guy. And he felt love for all of them, whether it was platonic, sexual or simply a strong emotional link. That was who he was, in my eyes. He must have been really caring towards all of them, that's why nobdy has a bad word to speak about him. So it comes as no surprise that so many of these women are conveying these types of sentiments. I'm sure they all shared amazing moments with him, you can see it in their eyes when they speak of him. For instance, Ana Moura doesn't comes across as someone who was romantically involved with him, in the sense that she never hints at it, but you can tell they shared a very close friendship. Prince always said he felt better around women.

Tresha68 said:

laurarichardson said:

endiadj said:

Tresha68 said:

endiadj said:

if i may jump in, i'd say both. from the interview and podcast prince really seemed fond of judith and her family and her of him. he really respected her talent and thoughts and listened to her. if she didn't have a concert after the plane incident i wonder if prince would've wanted her to stay with him?

I listened to it. I'm torn. I'm 47, so this is not coming from a "jealous" fan perspective. Part of me feels like what I took from this podcast, is that she is scared. Scared of where her career is headed now without the piggybacking of Prince. She gave up a contract etc. With Sony. I think she fell into the "cushy" job again so to speak. She sang and he used his pull to make a name for her. Perhaps as a favor to Larry Graham. Her parents played with Sly and the Family Stone. Perhaps he saw parts of himself in her. She seems young and naive. I do believe she was in love with him. Do I believe that it was reciprocal? No. Mutual admiration and respect of art, absolutely. Mutual love, yes. Romantic love? No. Perspective and speculation, this is what I heard. I feel perhaps he just wanted to give back later in life. Perhaps for guilt of his past professional relationships,I.e. Sheila E., Vanity, Bria. Delilah claims to have had the same type of relationship with Prince. Often drinking in secret, riding bikes, jamming into the wee hours. It's like a broken record. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. At the end of these interviews, I believe she is mourning him, BUT mourning what he offered and had planned for her career. It's almost as if she feels like people need to continue to further her career for her since he's gone. Her music sounds like a Prince record to me. Beautiful voice, unique voice....but it has him written all over it. It sounds like this was done to claim they were lovers and as a publicity stunt. He isn't here to claim otherwise. I think she was infatuated with everything around him. I wish her well and healing, Solely my opinion. [Edited 6/23/16 20:33pm]

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She has a right to be scared. It was P's doing and work that busted up her Sony contract. Now she has to start from the ground up. He was basically managing her career...and you can hear him in every song on that record.

But I think they *were* personally close. She was around too much. She went to Washington DC with him; she was probably at the White House, too.

She described their relationship as "complicated". To me, that means she knew there were others and that he talked to them. But she had more of him for almost two years, than almost anyone else....and notice that she doesn't even ONCE mention religion?

Tresha68 said:

endiadj said:

there have been rumors of prince using drugs for years. the cat story, nona's allegations, his half brother's allegations,etc. why are so many people shocked about his od?

all the interviews ive read have nona and duane talking about THEIR drug use. both of them had problems; nona said she did drugs to stay slim for modeling work. duane used do drugs with vanity and morris. i have never heard about p taking anything but x w/ ingrid. at any rate, i think chronic pain will getting you to take whatever helps. ++++what did cat say about drugs?

Yes, altitude can affect some who have epilepsy or are prone to seizures....But the weird thing is he flew all the time. However, that is what sucks about it...IT just comes when you least expect it, even if dormant. As a young child my child had those 'fixated eyes' staring off (the are called complex partial seizures if you want to google them)..oddly enough...one of the 'triggers' used to be....SWINGS. Some people laugh with seiziures, some have nausea of vomit, etc as a seizure. Every person is totally different, not just what you see on tv.

>>Breathing drops during a seizure and heartrate changes during one. You can ask me anything, or PM if you want to know anything. I rememver when he first said he had it as a kid, that maybe some more exposure hence research/cures would be on the increase...There is so much they don't know about it.

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And I would say, my opinion, that some who have seizures are more sensitive to alot or things, noises, etc than others who don't have it..

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We know he had some type of drug is his body, maybe he was sick, maybe his epilepsy returned, maybe it was a combo of all... It sucks totally.

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

yzarcog99 said:

Amen...I have had a seizure that put me straight down, out like a light, as an adult. Completely out of nowhere. I do have to say that I don't recall hearing anyone or anything going on around me. Don't even remember it all, honestly. But everyone's experience is different and people can die from a seizure. It is a disruption of your bodies electrical system. Your heart can stop. That's why the "7" video always freaked me out a little--like going down in a seizure!

thank you for your insights here. have they mentioned anywhere what his breathing and heartbeat were like, aside from him being unresponsive?

• sorry this is way out there, but i wonder if the being in the plane had anything at all to do with.... anything... and what the weather was like, would be so weird if it were connected to his unique sensitivity to some solar storm or something.

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thanks for all the information! very interesting and mysterious condition.

vandeluca said:

Yes, altitude can affect some who have epilepsy or are prone to seizures....But the weird thing is he flew all the time. However, that is what sucks about it...IT just comes when you least expect it, even if dormant. As a young child my child had those 'fixated eyes' staring off (the are called complex partial seizures if you want to google them)..oddly enough...one of the 'triggers' used to be....SWINGS. Some people laugh with seiziures, some have nausea of vomit, etc as a seizure. Every person is totally different, not just what you see on tv.

>>Breathing drops during a seizure and heartrate changes during one. You can ask me anything, or PM if you want to know anything. I rememver when he first said he had it as a kid, that maybe some more exposure hence research/cures would be on the increase...There is so much they don't know about it.

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And I would say, my opinion, that some who have seizures are more sensitive to alot or things, noises, etc than others who don't have it..

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We know he had some type of drug is his body, maybe he was sick, maybe his epilepsy returned, maybe it was a combo of all... It sucks totally.

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

thank you for your insights here. have they mentioned anywhere what his breathing and heartbeat were like, aside from him being unresponsive?

• sorry this is way out there, but i wonder if the being in the plane had anything at all to do with.... anything... and what the weather was like, would be so weird if it were connected to his unique sensitivity to some solar storm or something.

[Edited 6/23/16 21:05pm]

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It's been reported in a number of reputable outlets (including the New York Times) that the plane incident was an opiod overdose and that he was revived with the Narcan shot. I think it's pretty clear that the "serious problem" that Judith Hill said Prince acknowledged he needed help with was drug-related (especially given the other reputable reports that he was seeing a doctor for withdrawal issues).

It seems highly unlikely, especially given his OD death a few days later, that the plane incident was an unrelated epileptic seizure.

Tresha68 said:

endiadj said:

if i may jump in, i'd say both. from the interview and podcast prince really seemed fond of judith and her family and her of him. he really respected her talent and thoughts and listened to her. if she didn't have a concert after the plane incident i wonder if prince would've wanted her to stay with him?

I listened to it. I'm torn. I'm 47, so this is not coming from a "jealous" fan perspective. Part of me feels like what I took from this podcast, is that she is scared. Scared of where her career is headed now without the piggybacking of Prince. She gave up a contract etc. With Sony. I think she fell into the "cushy" job again so to speak. She sang and he used his pull to make a name for her. Perhaps as a favor to Larry Graham. Her parents played with Sly and the Family Stone. Perhaps he saw parts of himself in her. She seems young and naive. I do believe she was in love with him. Do I believe that it was reciprocal? No. Mutual admiration and respect of art, absolutely. Mutual love, yes. Romantic love? No. Perspective and speculation, this is what I heard. I feel perhaps he just wanted to give back later in life. Perhaps for guilt of his past professional relationships,I.e. Sheila E., Vanity, Bria. Delilah claims to have had the same type of relationship with Prince. Often drinking in secret, riding bikes, jamming into the wee hours. It's like a broken record. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. At the end of these interviews, I believe she is mourning him, BUT mourning what he offered and had planned for her career. It's almost as if she feels like people need to continue to further her career for her since he's gone. Her music sounds like a Prince record to me. Beautiful voice, unique voice....but it has him written all over it. It sounds like this was done to claim they were lovers and as a publicity stunt. He isn't here to claim otherwise. I think she was infatuated with everything around him. I wish her well and healing, Solely my opinion. [Edited 6/23/16 20:33pm]

Larry Graham... Snake oil salesman, wolf in sheeps clothing ugh. Talk about a piggybacker, he rode P's back so much U can smell bacon. Someone pointed out how much a gentleman P was and I agree with their POV. With that in mind I doubt he ever lead any of these ladies on. Saying U love someone can mean a lot, saying U are IN LOVE well that's a whole 'nother thing, and I don't think some of those girls saw the difference.

disch said:

It's been reported in a number of reputable outlets (including the New York Times) that the plane incident was an opiod overdose and that he was revived with the Narcan shot. I think it's pretty clear that the "serious problem" that Judith Hill said Prince acknowledged he needed help with was drug-related (especially given the other reputable reports that he was seeing a doctor for withdrawal issues).

It seems highly unlikely, especially given his OD death a few days later, that the plane incident was an unrelated epileptic seizure.

i watched the dr. drew segments. He said that the eyes fixing is not a sign of opioid od. he also had some interesting things to say regarding P's possible underlying health problems. that he changed his diet drastically and that it was possible that he had a problem swallowing without pain. he mentioned cancer and hiv.

No one is saying it is. But having underlying medical conditions (which none of us know if true or not) can only complicate, or light a match in a fragile situation, or in some cases, cause death. People are only throwing things out there or wondering, because, we simply don't have an definitive answer. Part of closure I guess. Plus all of the in the know gals are acting like there is more to it

disch said:

It's been reported in a number of reputable outlets (including the New York Times) that the plane incident was an opiod overdose and that he was revived with the Narcan shot. I think it's pretty clear that the "serious problem" that Judith Hill said Prince acknowledged he needed help with was drug-related (especially given the other reputable reports that he was seeing a doctor for withdrawal issues).

It seems highly unlikely, especially given his OD death a few days later, that the plane incident was an unrelated epileptic seizure.

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Prince suffered from epileptic seizures as a child...

purplethunder3121 said:

Prince suffered from epileptic seizures as a child...

He mentioned in an interview once that he had seizures that stopped at age 7. I don't think there have been any reports that epilepsy was an issue for him after that. There is a lot of evidence that opiods were a major problem, unfortunately.

disch said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Prince suffered from epileptic seizures as a child...

He mentioned in an interview once that he had seizures that stopped at age 7. I don't think there have been any reports that epilepsy was an issue for him after that. There is a lot of evidence that opiods were a major problem, unfortunately.

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Never listened to the lyrics of

The Sacrifice of Victor?

What evidence did we see?

laytonian said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

morningsong said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

jumanji2016 said:

blue22 said:

You don't read well either, I see. [Edited 6/23/16 15:32pm]

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Looks like you are the one who is reluctant to read and comprehend.

You are so insistent on telling people how they should think and feel.

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It is juvenile of you think that you can tell people who, when, what and where to feel think and feel what they feel.

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No one has to agree on anything. But most people on here at least accept that others feel what they feel and think what they think.

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That is, but for the exception of you.

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Give it a break and leave people alone. Stop attacking everyone and being accusatory.

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Sounds like you are the one who is really angry, disguising it by attacking others.

I listened to the interview with the reporter. What I gleaned from that was: for two years, JH was his love interest. What that means, I do not know. He called Tamron Hall to fly in for the weekend while JH was away. Why can't people be clear and speak the actual truth?