Great Post Jungle. It's about a person.

rightbluecheek said:

That's just the other side of the coin. It's called "the beast" as opposed to "the beauty".

He was a Gemini, 2 sides can also be 2 faced. He had a rough un-loved childhood. I think he just never wanted to be taken advantage of so overly controlling. All part of what made up our much loved Prince.

[Edited 6/11/16 16:51pm]

endiadj said:

if he was a misogynist he wouldn't have let women infiltrate the thing he held most dearly to his heart, his music. Look how prominent women were to his music and featured in his band til the end. sure he had issues with relationships with women, hebut he also had issues with relationships with men. so whatever...

Hannah wouldn't be telling her baby about how wonderful "Uncle Prince" was.

deerpath said:

I've seen a couple of interviews around that time and was a bit startled by what felt like an undercurrent of anger in 2001.

Kevin Smith jokes about it in a talk at Kent State, but the purpose of his "documentary" seemed to be almost a mix of a focus group for a new album, and a captured audience for a JW preaching.

https://youtu.be/8LhcParuzpc

In another long interview, also in 2001, his words are "love Jesus" but feel the anger under those words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyjwhFiQqg

Wasn't this around the time Mayte left him? In five years he'd lost two children (the baby son and then an unborn daughter). Then his hand selected wife who it sounds like from what you've all said, he would not allow to grow into a woman.

In the Oprah interview the week their son died, they are on air and cooing to each other. for the cameras. It is hard to imagine how hard that had to have been for Mayte, but she smiled and cooed back at him. He had her head. She trusted and believed him when he said there would be many more children.

In an interview shortly after his death, she talked about the way things fell apart after she lost their second child. A little girl. He withdrew. She could not reach him. That happens to couples after the loss of a child and this couple lost two children. Prince made recordings of their heart beats and wove them into songs.

That is a lot of personal loss and grief.

Around this time his father died, then his mother. Prince remarried and then she left him though he did not want a divorce, according to another story. It is a lot of loss for anyone. If the JW helped him during this time, well done. Later we read that was a bit less compelling and the dogma began to have his own spin on it.

After this time though he seems different in interviews. The Warner contract still hovered overhead, but he seemed lighter. More playful. Not so angry. His performances with Misty Copeland--you know her schedule didn't wait on him--were inspired. She attributes her confidence on stage to him. She said she learned showmanship from him, stage presence (though she apparently had plenty to start).That was almost a decade later.

The idea that he felt each of his musical creations was perfect has to be so. He worked so hard on each, editing and redoing and pulling them together until the final work was as he heard it in his head. Perfectly Prince.

People seemed to want him to be that brash, 20 something forever, but from the stories and the work he matured into his genius. A full human being. Watching the few live performances available online, you see he was his music. He moved from sensational showman to pure vibrations in the air that is music. Amazing. Sorry this is so long.

Annullment was in 1999, divorce finalized in 2000.

keenly said:

terrig said:

CalhounSq said:

There's 2 sides to that though - yes, it's disturbing to want to have that level of control, but she LET him. She was super young, eager to please, probably went along with whatever he wanted. She likely looked to him for a great deal of guidance in a lot of things, & the shit went overboard (with a personality like his). Who knows...

Wealth power and fame and genius is no match for a 16 yr old girl whose MOM pimped her to a rockstar...I will always defend Mayte becasue she doesnt even really realize how she was manipulated to this day.

Mayte had no chance to develop her own agency and boundaries at a critical time in her adolesence - its still evident today that she's still a little girl. It's her mother & Princes fault. They essentially trained her to be a damn geisha.



Wealth power and fame and genius is no match for an 18 year old who had a crappy home life and left home at aged 12, with no relationship skills and totally unprepared to handle the enormous fame that came so fast to him. I think their relationship was doomed before it even started. Prince had a mother who allowed another woman to raise her 12 year old son, and Mayte had a mother who pimped her 16 year old daughter out to a 32 year old man. And even at the end, to me Prince didn't seem as though he had emotionally matured in many ways he still seemed child-like.

mimi1956 said:

mimi1956 said:

rightbluecheek said:

That's just the other side of the coin. It's called "the beast" as opposed to "the beauty".

He was a Gemini, 2 sides can also be 2 faced. He had a rough un-loved childhood. I think he just never wanted to be taken advantage of so overly controlling. All part of what made up our much loved Prince.

[Edited 6/11/16 16:51pm]

I am Gemini and I am sickened by a lot of Prince's behaviour. Astrology is bullshit.

rogifan said:

keenly said:

In this life, the way you live, impacts those living around you. The impact you left on my life was one that can never be duplicated, and for that I am forever grateful. Not quite sure who I'm going to joke on for wearing light up shoes or carrying diamond scepters with them just to watch tennis, but I'm ok with those memories being mine for the keeping. Today, I want you all to know, that this legend was more than just a musician. He spent his days fighting for what he believed in and he truly believed that you should always speak up for what you want because you are in full control of this thing called life.... I miss you already, I will miss you forever. I love you with all of my heart and I promise to keep on this journey of giving from the soul in all parts of life the same way you did every day on this earth. Love Always, Your Friend, Your Muse, Your "Avatar" Damaris

And MJ loved his father........We all know what his father did.

[Edited 6/12/16 5:14am]

cindyt said:

keenly said:

Tina LET Ike beat her by your logic, she did not leave.

Prince was an abuser. Face the facts.

I read somewhere he told his wife what to eat, too. That's where the crap would STOP you know? I didn't know he was abusive, but I figured so.

Control is abuse. Prince made Mayte wear a wedding dress she did not like. She had no choice.

CalhounSq said:

keenly said:

Tina LET Ike beat her by your logic, she did not leave.

Prince was an abuser. Face the facts.

Wow - so you're comparing beating someone's ass to telling them what to wear? That's a stretch. Here's what I'll face - that I wasn't in their relationship & don't know wtf happened, no one really knows but THEM. You should face some facts yourself

I agree w/ the whole grooming thing that terrig brought up though, forgot about that...

Abuse is not only violence. Have you not seen any campaigns showing this? Adverts all over TV showing abusers doing what Prince did. I hate it. It is vile.

There are articles from journalists who were present when Prince was LITERALLY picking out Maytes clothes and DICTATING to her what she should wear. He did the same with food.

QueenofPurplePalace said:

Jesus Christ on a cracker people! Although yes I admit till this day his relationship with Mayte thoroughly creeps me out, (teen grooming and all that) I do believe their relationship was way more intricate and complex than the bs y'all are spewing. Read this and understand. You. Weren't. There. You have literally no idea what went on in that marriage or if prince was an abusive husband or not. Remember their relationship lasted for years and yes I acknowledge that Mayte may have allowed Prince to overstep boundaries (I've been guilty of this as well) he took advantage yes. But was he an abuser....? A controlling dickhead yeah sure but an abuser is an extreme allegation for a marriage we don't know everything about. Cut it out.

Controllng somebody is abuse.

QueenofPurplePalace said:

Mayte is a grown a$$ woman now. She could've easily come out and said a bunch of nasty stuff about Prince and her time with him, but she hasn't mostly because she still adores the man til this day. If it was so abusive and horrible I don't believe that would be the case.

Haha. Great story. Prince sure got himelf into some shit when he got all dolled up and invited that one to the press conference. She was just too smart for his funk-and-roll, loose-biblical intepretation bullshit. She took Prince waay too seriously. He could knock about on instruments pretty good, but he was kind of an airhead as far as anything else went. And likely on some shit more often than not. Even Prince didn't understand Prince.

jdcxc said:

Fundamentalist versions of any religion sucks.

Buddhism is okay.

keenly said:

CalhounSq said:

There's 2 sides to that though - yes, it's disturbing to want to have that level of control, but she LET him. She was super young, eager to please, probably went along with whatever he wanted. She likely looked to him for a great deal of guidance in a lot of things, & the shit went overboard (with a personality like his). Who knows...

Tina LET Ike beat her by your logic, she did not leave.

Prince was an abuser. Face the facts.

Wasn't Anna Mae given over to Ike by her mother?

mimi1956 said:

deerpath said:

I've seen a couple of interviews around that time and was a bit startled by what felt like an undercurrent of anger in 2001.

Kevin Smith jokes about it in a talk at Kent State, but the purpose of his "documentary" seemed to be almost a mix of a focus group for a new album, and a captured audience for a JW preaching.

https://youtu.be/8LhcParuzpc

In another long interview, also in 2001, his words are "love Jesus" but feel the anger under those words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyjwhFiQqg

Wasn't this around the time Mayte left him? In five years he'd lost two children (the baby son and then an unborn daughter). Then his hand selected wife who it sounds like from what you've all said, he would not allow to grow into a woman.

In the Oprah interview the week their son died, they are on air and cooing to each other. for the cameras. It is hard to imagine how hard that had to have been for Mayte, but she smiled and cooed back at him. He had her head. She trusted and believed him when he said there would be many more children.

In an interview shortly after his death, she talked about the way things fell apart after she lost their second child. A little girl. He withdrew. She could not reach him. That happens to couples after the loss of a child and this couple lost two children. Prince made recordings of their heart beats and wove them into songs.

That is a lot of personal loss and grief.

Around this time his father died, then his mother. Prince remarried and then she left him though he did not want a divorce, according to another story. It is a lot of loss for anyone. If the JW helped him during this time, well done. Later we read that was a bit less compelling and the dogma began to have his own spin on it.

After this time though he seems different in interviews. The Warner contract still hovered overhead, but he seemed lighter. More playful. Not so angry. His performances with Misty Copeland--you know her schedule didn't wait on him--were inspired. She attributes her confidence on stage to him. She said she learned showmanship from him, stage presence (though she apparently had plenty to start).That was almost a decade later.

The idea that he felt each of his musical creations was perfect has to be so. He worked so hard on each, editing and redoing and pulling them together until the final work was as he heard it in his head. Perfectly Prince.

People seemed to want him to be that brash, 20 something forever, but from the stories and the work he matured into his genius. A full human being. Watching the few live performances available online, you see he was his music. He moved from sensational showman to pure vibrations in the air that is music. Amazing. Sorry this is so long.

Annullment was in 1999, divorce finalized in 2000.

I didn't quite get through the entirety of that Tavis Smiley interview last night.

Also isn't the point of an annulment to say you were never married (to that person) so you don't have to get a divorce?

funksterr said:

rogifan said:

Prince was an abuser? Good lord people.

I don't say that. However...

Not everyone acts the same way with everyone. It's possible to engage in abusive or controlling behavior and be a victim of the same kinds of behavior. People can suffer abusive, controlling or neglectful behavior and STILL love the person who did that to them.

The guy probably deserved it, all we have is his side of the story, clearly he did something to piss Prince off. Perhaps he came across as disrespectful, perhaps he made a facial expression that Prince didn't appreciate, you can just never know with stories like this.

morningsong said:

deerpath said: